I don't believe in lower test when using tren. Tren can really give you some anxiety and test helps counter that that (assuming estro is in check) as well as keeping your energy levels up when you're dieting hard. Masteron isn't going to do anything for libido if prolactin levels are elevated. You need a dopamine agonist like caber or prami to counter raised prolactin when using 19-nors. Also, when using tren E, I always advise at least 6 weeks off before starting pct as it can make pct hell. You won't need the superdrol in week 12 either if running 600mg of mast. If you're not sure whether to use 400 or 600 of mast, use 600. Risk to reward ratio is much lower.
The SD is to help with glycogen uptake week of the competition. You're supposed to carb up a few days or a week before the show. SD helps tremendously in this area. I have alot of experience with SD (more than most on this board) and I'm not afraid to use it week of show.
While I see what you are saying about Test/Tren ratio needing to be more liberal, despite the logical standpoint behind your argument, advanced Tren users that have tried this 1:2 method say otherwise. Here is what I know and why I will stick to the 1:2 ratio
at first.
1.
There tends to be an inverse relationship between prolactin and dopamine. When prolactin is high, dopamine is low.
2. Effects of high prolactin: low sperm and testosterone production, low sex drive, erectile dysfunction, breast tenderness and enlargement, and
anxiety ;
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/patient-information-high-prolactin-levels-and-prolactinomas-beyond-the-basics
3. E
strogen has a direct positive relationship with prolactin. Prolactin doesn't cause gyno - estrogen does. But prolactin does cause sensitive or puffy nipples, anxiety, loss of libido, and suppression of testosterone and sperm production;
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/123701-progesterone-prolactin.html - this one is from Seth Roberts right here on AM. So keeping estrogen low will control prolactin levels. Why do you think people that take Forma-stanzol w/ 19-NOR products always maintain a decent libido and no anxiety? Forma-stanzol isn't a dopamine agonist, it's just an estrogen-
control agent.
4. Consider the conversion factor of testosterone to estrogen. Butt loads of testosterone in conjunction with Trenbolone gives way for lots of estrogen circulating in the system. Estrogen + T3 suppression = Prolactin (which leads to the unwanted "Tren" sides) Here are a few references regarding that topic:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/140699-progesterone-prolactin-levels.html; This source claims the progesterones actually
control estrogen in men.
http://www.hormone-healthy.com/Men_and_Progesterone.htm
5. Trenbolone is a progestin. "Progestin is to progesterone as androgen is to testosterone" - Seth Roberts
6. Trenbolone also causes a reduction in T3 production, subsequently leading to prolactin increases. Hypothyroidism leads to hyperprolactinaemia -
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/002822438190054X ; The first thing a doctor tends to check is your thyroid production when you have elevated prolactin levels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperprolactinaemia ;
http://www.steroid.com/Trenbolone.php
7. And lastly, Trenbolone is far more dominant in binding to the androgen receptor when compared to Testosterone. I don't want to waste testosterone knowing that Tren is dominating the receptor sites - especially with Tren-E.
The point to all of this: There is a reason I say 1:2 ratio.
Tren sides are not tren sides at all. Tren indirectly affects prolactin via 1) Reducing T3 production & 2) being stacked with Testosterone and having
no estrogen control. Prolactin is created by estrogen, thyroid dysfunction or thyroid suppression and/or pituitary malfunction via tumor.
After doing all this research, I'm almost convince that Tren could be ran alone, with nothing other than T3 & Iodine to combat thyroid suppression. But since we love the high of testosterone (because it causes a release in dopamine which is good) we need some test in the picture
yet we need to control the estrogen so that it doesn't causes prolactin secrection. And since Testosterone is completely and utterly inferior to Trenbolone's anabolic:androgenic ration -
I say run a TRT baseline amount of test, a weak estrogen-control agent (Mast-E @ 400mg/weekly), T3/Iodine and gobs of Tren to take advantage of the available androgen-receptor sites.
And regarding Masteron - It's controls estrogen. Controlling estrogen controls prolactin. Controlling prolactin controls typical Tren sides assuming that you are using supplemental T3. I still can't get away from night sweats and extreme aggression :cussing:. But for the most part, I can "have my cake and eat it too". I should really change my username to that phrase lol. That's what I'm all about. Win/win situation everywhere I go..
