someones gonna die

[chasec]

i just opened the new flex with federov on the cover. in the back of it is an ad for a "stack". they (gaspari) are telling people to take methyl d, m1t, and "oxavar" at once. i hope there fucking kidding or somebodies getting sued when their bloody liver falls out their sphincter

 

[CEDeoudes59]

no liver damage if the products are all fake
stupid sleeze-bag company

 

[cobra1414]

The PH ban cannot get here any faster, IMO.

 

[bioman]

Seriously, they might as well throw in a bottle of Jack Daniels to seal the deal.

 

[chasec]

honestly, they are a bunch supplement pimps. fake supplements at that.


fucking clowns

 

[milwood]

I am truly appalled by Gaspari's act right across the board. Is that guy behind it all, or is it just his name that is on the label. The greedy, thoughtless, irresponsibility of it all is why bodybuilding (as an industry) is absolutely hideous! Throw in Weider and Muscletech, too. Thanks and props to those who give the scene a GOOD rap---Designer, Custom, BSN, Avant, and 1Fast to name a few...

 

[PumpingBricks70]

Seriously, they might as well throw in a bottle of Jack Daniels to seal the deal.

:rofl: I think that would cover it! :rofl: I've never liked Gaspari from the start.

 

[chasec]

Throw in Weider and Muscletech, too.

dear god, I HATE MUSCLETECH. besides taking up half every fitness magazine in the universe (do they own M&F?) they want people to believe jay cutler got big from the "nitrotech/celltech" stack. makes me sick

 

[bioman]

dear god, I HATE MUSCLETECH. besides taking up half every fitness magazine in the universe (do they own M&F?) they want people to believe jay cutler got big from the "nitrotech/celltech" stack. makes me sick

Oh yeah, sugar and creatine get's people huuuuge! lol

 

[chasec]

Oh yeah, sugar and creatine get's people huuuuge! lol

dont forget the HMB that "feels like deca"

 

[pu12en12g]

So do we have actual proof that Gaspari M1T is junk ?

Because I know someone that stocked up on it for future use.

 

[milwood]

There was some Gaspari MDien which was tested and DID NOT meet label claims. I think it may have been devoid of product altogether. The M1T from Gaspari I have used was definitely the real thing. Now, far as I'm concerned, its the unethical business practices, and lack of care/concern for the health and safety of people who may use their products which is offensive to me. We can (and should) joke around all day about McMuscletech junk-food and others, but I think Gaspari Nutrition has taken it to a new level in terms of doing anything to make a buck, as well as totally ignoring the safety concers of consumers. God, I sound like a little bitch sometimes, but I know somebody is definitely gonna get hurt due to ignorance in using these powerful substances and not really knowing what the hell they're doing.

 

[Sir Foxx]

If someone gets hurt it's because they didn't do the research before hand. Don't go blaming a company because someone is too lazy or too stupid to put the effort into making sure they don't hurt themselves. It's called self-responsibility.

 

[Manu20]

3 methyls at once... :nono:

 

[milwood]

I agree that individuals must take personal responsibility. If, however, a company can sell untested or impotent products, tell people its fine to stack these toxic compounds without regard to potential health risks, cleverly misname a brand/product (Novadex) to fool people into thinking they are getting nolvadex (in order to make a buck), I gotta say there is some IRRESPONSIBILITY on their part, at best.

 

[chasec]

tellings somebody to stack m1t which is rat poison with anabolic side effects, and methyl dien, which i thought was supposed to be the most liver toxic methy PH available, and what ever the hell oxavar is, is a death sentence.

how many teenagers (target of the ad) are going to follow the dosing scheme listed? especially when companies are known to underdose there product and tell consumers to take less than needed to get a good response. kids are going to be taking 20-30mg MIT and god knows how mtch Methyl Dien at once. it's like selling acid stickers to little kids on a playground.

 

[chasec]

i hope the ban comes through quickly now. these compounds are seen as "safe" while steroids are deadly and make your penis fall off. the government might actually be doing something right.

EDIT: No there not, nevermind. :frustrate

 

[MightyMouse69]

i hope the ban comes through quickly now. these compounds are seen as "safe" while steroids are deadly and make your penis fall off. the government might actually be doing something right.

Oh, so some stupid **** drinks and drives and kills someone so we should ban cars and alcohol...or some tard shoots someone, so let's ban guns...your logic is pathetic. Yes, I bet you think most people are owed money because they didn't know smoking caused health problems.

 

[chasec]

check the edit and chill out man, i was just saying that making these compounds available to people with no knowledge is dangerous. at least people know drinking and driving kills people, and alcohol is toxic to your liver. these facts aren't available to the mainstream consumer of PH's. don't think us on this board are "mainstream". i'm afraid those of us with knowledge of these compounds are a minority

 

[Brodus]

Chasec has got a point--they banned that sort of advertising for alcohol a long time ago, and have vigorously pursued education and ID checking.

You have the opposite scenario going on with these methyls. The magazines are basically 300-page ads for stacks of all sorts. They are totally and completely being irresponsible. It's like those old adds for cigarettes that were like, "Somking Will Make You Healthy!"

 

[Lakevillethor]

i just opened the new flex with federov on the cover. in the back of it is an ad for a "stack". they (gaspari) are telling people to take methyl d, m1t, and "oxavar" at once. i hope there fucking kidding or somebodies getting sued when their bloody liver falls out their sphincter

Here's the deal -- a lot of these companies are making a shitload of money right now off of these supplements. However, I am willing to bet that a ton of sides are going to develop down the road for a lot of the users (maybe related to these designer steroids, maybe not -- either way, they're gonna get blamed as it has reached a large demographic)-- when that happens, the manufactures will end paying out mega $$$ to all of the victums. You have to understand that 99% of the people using this **** have no idea what they are doing -- the people who come to a board like am.com are the educated ones and not the norm. The other 99%, the beer guzzling, acid dropping college kids who are taking M1T to "get big" may potentially develop serious health problems. To be honest, I am surprised that no one has died yet due to heart complications relating to M1T.

 

[kelsey]

CHASEC listen , banning them is not the answer,
most of us here like to have the opportunity (option) to exercise our educated standing and do an occasional PH or PS cycle.

whether it is to better an already outstanding physique or just get there, quicker, we want the option.

It is the supplement companies responsibilities to put a warning label and or post cycle on the ph's.
I have never seen a label that says, "do not drink while using this and take some liver support." definitely their responsibility...

 

[Brodus]

Actually, the "no drinking" warning is on some Legal Gear products. When I did their M5AA (Masterdrol) I noticed this and thought it was cool.

 

[bioman]

There is a fine line between personal responsibility which I am all for, and the product seller TELLING people to do something that is dangerous. Even people who are somewhat educated about PH's might actually trust Gaspari's reputation and take their advice. That is a problem both for the buyer and seller and it shouldn't be that way.

Let's put it this way, if Sledge-whom we all know and trust, were to hand out dangerous advice like that a whole lot of people who take his word for it. We take recommendations from companies we trust but when that trust is abused it opens the door for the FDA et al to exert their power which is bad for all of us.

It's a given that there are uneducated PH users out there but Gaspari is in the wrong on this one.

 

[Sir Foxx]

I disagree. Just give me the option to buy whatever substance a particular company is selling, I will make the choice on how to use it. I understand the principle motive of any company is to make money. My principle motive is how to better my life. They sell, I decide how to take. I don't see how hard this seems for some to understand. As for the ones who don't/won't do the necessary research then the old latin phase(I think its latin) comes to mind: Caveat Emptor.

 

[bioman]

Were you into doing "research" at age 18?

 

[kelsey]

Actually, the "no drinking" warning is on some Legal Gear products. When I did their M5AA (Masterdrol) I noticed this and thought it was cool.

i stand corrected.

Were you into doing "research" at age 18?

point taken. :drunk:

 

[Sir Foxx]

Were you into doing "research" at age 18?

As much as I could, yes. When I was 18, the amazing resources that are available today, weren't around. There is no excuse today for not being able to get a good idea of the proper way to do things. Age shouldn't matter here(for research). Like I've said before, the stupid ones who end up hurting themselves is nothing more than "Natural Selection".

 

[Brodus]

"Like I've said before, the stupid ones who end up hurting themselves is nothing more than "Natural Selection"

I might normally agree, but this is a different situation. You imlicitly support deceptive advertising, because to you, its just how things are. There are a lot of us who would hold business to higher ethical standards.

Also, have you done much public speaking? Ever work on a political campaign? Try to launch a campaign on the "kids that die ["age shouldn't matter"] deserved it" platform...or hell, better yet, write and article for publication and see who will print it. And when you get rejected, don't spout something about conspiracy....the fact is, people like to look out for each other when they can, and selling methylated steroids the way cigarettes used to be sold is irresponsible and highly unethical.

What if a drug dealer sold hepatoxics to your kid, and said they were good for him/her to take? Would you say it was your kid's fault for taking them? That's pretty harsh if you would.

 

[milwood]

ditto Brodus. We are talking about public health/safety here, not used cars, anyway. Furthermore, its US and our friends, bodybuilding at large at risk. How can that be good or ok, just so someone can cash in???

 

[Pirate!]

It is strange that a magazine advertisement would suggest that. His own internet site says this:

Stacking Instructions:Gaspari Nutrition strongly recommends against stacking any 17a-methylated products together. We recommend that you take four weeks off for every four weeks of taking any prosteroid or prohormone to prevent your body from adjusting to the exogenous (external) source of hormones. As always, consult your physician before taking any product that may alter hormone levels.

http://www.richgaspari.com/

 

[chasec]

the only reason i have for wanting to ban PH/PS is examples like this. i take PH, and i dread the day that they will be banned. even though i like the effects they give me, i would give them up pretty quick if it would save some dumb ass teenagers life who decided to get on the m1t/methyl d/oxavar stack, and then decided to go out partying and drank a fifth of smirnoff. because sooner or later, it's going to happen. and when it does, you can kiss creatine, dhea, nootropics, ifg and it's variants, and maybe even protien goodbye.

don't think it can't happen. it's happening right now all around us. plus, those of us who choose to educate ourselves know where to get ahold of anabolic compounds when ever we want, dont we? the ban would just increas the learning curve somewhat

 

[bioman]

Somehow I don't think Darwin had novel designer compounds in mind when he thought up the Theory of Natural Selection. As a biologist I can tell you you're setting yourself up for one awful place to live in if you hold Darwinism to a higher standard than basic human compassion.

I don't want to see PH's banned either but selling them requires at least a shred of ethical marketing.

 

[Nullifidian]

You know what needs to be done IMO? Someone needs to make a bill that puts prohormones and steroids under the jurisdiction of the ATF. Just restrict sales like with alcohol and tobacco, and limit what can be said in advertising. Make educational materials about the substances available, and then let the public make an EDUCATED decision.

Think about it. If you didn't know anything about M1T, and the only things you've ever read about them said stuff like "it has absolutely no side effects", wouldn't you take it without abandon too? When you buy toothpaste, do you research what's in it and how it works before chosing which brand? When you buy shampoo, do you look at the ingredients, write them down and then look up each and every active and inactive ingredient? No. So, that's the way a lot of people think of supplements. It isn't as if it says anywhere that people should research what they are taking. They have trust the the industry to look out for their safety, as is the case with food and drugs. That trust is being violated.

 

[dego]

You know what needs to be done IMO? Someone needs to make a bill that puts prohormones and steroids under the jurisdiction of the ATF. Just restrict sales like with alcohol and tobacco, and limit what can be said in advertising. Make educational materials about the substances available, and then let the public make an EDUCATED decision.

Think about it. If you didn't know anything about M1T, and the only things you've ever read about them said stuff like "it has absolutely no side effects", wouldn't you take it without abandon too? When you buy toothpaste, do you research what's in it and how it works before chosing which brand? When you buy shampoo, do you look at the ingredients, write them down and then look up each and every active and inactive ingredient? No. So, that's the way a lot of people think of supplements. It isn't as if it says anywhere that people should research what they are taking. They have trust the the industry to look out for their safety, as is the case with food and drugs. That trust is being violated.

:goodpost:

 

[Brodus]

Ditto-->great post. I wish they would have done this as a group/lobby before the current legislation gained steam.

Again, this is why I really think they're all self-serving bastards (with exception of CNW and Designer). What other industry acts this way, with so little concern for welfare of their user base?

 

[jah_live10]

Ditto-->great post. I wish they would have done this as a group/lobby before the current legislation gained steam.

Again, this is why I really think they're all self-serving bastards (with exception of CNW and Designer). What other industry acts this way, with so little concern for welfare of their user base?

with the exception of CNW.....

 

[Nullifidian]

Ditto-->great post. I wish they would have done this as a group/lobby before the current legislation gained steam.

Again, this is why I really think they're all self-serving bastards (with exception of CNW and Designer). What other industry acts this way, with so little concern for welfare of their user base?

The tobacco industry to name one.

 

[Brodus]

"The tobacco industry to name one."

Right--and look at how much trouble they're in!

Every graduating senior in Michigan got a huge chunk of change for college when my sister graduated in 2000.

 

[bioman]

It pretty much goes back to the theory that the PH industry brought the ban on themselves.

It's a given that the govt is always looking for a new way to justify itself.

It's a given that there is a world full of people who either believe everything they read or are just too stupid to care about what they put into their bodies.

It's a given that a supp company wants to make money but when they start crossing a bunch of lines to do it (ie no age restriction, bad advice to sell more product and generally exploiting ignorance) then it's going to piss off the voters and give the feds all the justification they need to deny us all our PHs.

 

[jah_live10]

BIOMAN
It's a given that there is a world full of people who either believe everything they read or are just too stupid to care about what they put into their bodies.

So True

 

[Brodus]

"the PH industry brought the ban on themselves. "

This is so true. They were too busy counting greenbacks and quarelling to organize and effective lobby.

 

[Sir Foxx]

Stop looking to others, ie gov't, industry, to protect you. You have a brain, use it. I'll use my own decision making power in relation to what and how stuff goes into my body. The last thing anyone needs is to be more reliant on the government for something they could easily do for themselves. Compassion does not play into this.

 

[Brodus]

"Compassion does not play into this."

So you think deceptive advertising is fine?

And how doesn't it play into it when kids are on the receiving end?

 

[Sir Foxx]

I think deception is inherent in a free market. To think otherwise is just naive. These companies have one goal, to make money. Once that fact is accepted, one can free themselves from the unproductive concern of:"Is this right?" or "Is this fair?". There are plenty of resources available to counter the erroneous from these entities.

As for the "kids", well that doesn't have anything to do with it. What, are we supposed to dumb down society because of youth? They shouldn't be messing with this stuff anyway, but if they are going to roll the dice, then the onus is on them to do it right. If they want to play, then they better be prepared.

I understand we have differing views here on this subject and I respect your view on this. I don't agree with it, but respect it.

 

[Brodus]

A-ight--Agree to disagree.

Are you libertarian, by chance? B/C that's pretty textbook libertarian philosophy.

 

[milwood]

I dunno about Sir Foxx, but I am a registered Libertarian. That said, I disagree about responsibility and ethics in regards to consumer safety, as evidenced by previous posts.

 

[bioman]

I'm not discounting the role of personal responsibility nor do I want more govt involvement in my life. My ideals closely mirror some aspects of libertarianism however I live in and am addressing a situation that is occurring in the real, democratic/socialist world we live in.

The supp companies knew the risks in regards to punative actions by the govt and the public and they took them. They could have played the game more conservatively, covered their asses and those of the uneducated masses but they chose to to make a fast buck at all costs. I've no pity for them (DS and Custom excluded of course).

Besides, now we can continue on with our elitist athelete attitudes now that the general public will be denied access to PHs, lol.

 

[Sir Foxx]

I don't like to put myself into any particular category but I do agree with most libertarian principles.

I never thought about it like that Bioman. Now that this stuff will be off the market, only those of us in the special club will rule the gyms

 

[dingobite]

Im glad kids dont play rush n roulette as a borderline on what other people say or wed have alot of stupid kids believing they could avoid the last chamber.