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    FIRST PH CYCLE! ADVICE P-MAG!


    Hey everyone I'm looking to start my first PH cycle within the next two weeks. I was looking for advice, I'm 22 I know that's young for a ph before you bash me for it but I can't gain weight no matter how many calories I eat, I'm 5'11 155 right now sitting at just under 11% bf, I want to put on some weight I have an extremely high metabolism, I want to get to 175lbs at around 8% bf, I have been lifting on and off for about 4 years now but very consistent for the past year, I'm currently on a 6 day split chest, back, and legs on monday, wednesday, and friday, and then bi's, tri's, and shoulders on tues, thurs, and sat, and abs every day. Here is what it is going to consist of, I want to do a log of this if I can get advice if this is a good first cycle!
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    P-MAG 50/50/75/75/75/75
    CEL CYCLE ASSIST
    FISH OIL and MULTIVITAMIN
    BCAA's

    PCT
    NOLVA 20/20/10/10
    DAA 4/4/4/4
    Creatine mono and Crazed pre-workout

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    if u cant gain weight off food then how are you goin to gain weight off pmag? prohormones are not magic pills. not bashing you but get your diet in check. count your calories, make sure you get your carb/pro/fats in check.
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    No natural base = no understanding of diet and training = little to no gains on steroids = ghey
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    My Diet and Training our in check I consume 4500 clean calories a day, and 200 grams of protein a day, I load my carbs with oats and vitargo, and eat 6 meals a day, never said they were magic pills.
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    If you aren't growing on 4500 cals, why aren't you upping them? How much cardio do you do in a week?

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    check out my most recent thread about p-mag..its no joke.yu dont belong in the anabolic section of this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by tLAMARw
    My Diet and Training our in check I consume 4500 clean calories a day, and 200 grams of protein a day, I load my carbs with oats and vitargo, and eat 6 meals a day, never said they were magic pills.
    I never said u said they were magic pills. I SAID they are not magic pills. Obviously your not going to grow. U need to eat more then 4500 cals
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    If you aren't growing on 4500 cals, why aren't you upping them? How much cardio do you do in a week?

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    The only person that wasn't a douche on the thread.
    I did up my calories to 4500, was at 3700.
    I only do very light cardio on my off day.
    I just want to know if this is a good first ph, not to be told I don't know anything about diet or training. I eat clean and train 6 days a week.
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    They are just saying that looking at your stats, and unless you have like .001% of the population level genetics, you are far from hitting your max, what does your training split look like in detail?

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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    They are just saying that looking at your stats, and unless you have like .001% of the population level genetics, you are far from hitting your max, what does your training split look like in detail?

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    Monday,Wednesday,Friday
    Chest
    Flat bench 5x5 at 185 Increasing by 5lbs each week if I can complete the reps.
    Incline bench 5x5 5x5 at 145 same increasing by 5lbs if I can complete them with good form
    Decline Flies 6 sets of 6-10 reps increasing weight with each set
    Dumbbell Pullovers 4 sets of 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Dips 5 sets till failure
    Back
    Wide Grip Chin Ups 5 sets till failure
    Cable rows 5 sets 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    One arm bent over rows same 5 sets 6-10
    Dead lift 4 sets 6-10 reps
    Legs
    Squats 4 sets till failure
    Leg press 4 sets till failure
    Leg Curls 4 sets till failure
    Calves and Abs I do every day along with forearms.
    Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
    Biceps:
    Barbell curls 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Seated dumbell curls 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Dumbell concentration curls 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Triceps:
    Close-grip bench presses 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Pushdowns 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    French press (barbell) 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    One-arm triceps extensions (dumbell) 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Shoulders: (my shoulders are really week so i usually go pretty light on these exercies working them up a lot more lately though)
    Seated barbell presses 3 x 6-10
    Lateral raises (standing) 3 x 6-10
    Rear-delt lateral raises 3 x 6-10
    Cable lateral raises 3 x 10-12
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    So you do this workout 3 times a week???

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    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    So you do this workout 3 times a week???

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    I do the chest back and legs monday wednesday and fridays and bi's, tri's, and shoulders tuesdays thursdays and saturdays
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    This is my current body type i took this about a a month and a half ago i'm a little more toned now, I just want some more size Name:  tim rip.jpg
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    IMHO you are overtraining. Try looking into an HST program, it will look like way too little training, but you'll have to trust me that you will grow better on it.

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    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    IMHO you are overtraining. Try looking into an HST program, it will look like way too little training, but you'll have to trust me that you will grow better on it.

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    Alright I'll look in to that for sure, thanks for the advice I was doing a shorter program just was seeing more gains with this current routine.
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    That's your problem, you are either not spending enough time on a muscle, or if you are, then you are in the gym for too long, without including cardio.
    I don't believe your diet, I think you are guesstimating it, and are way off. I'm 175 and 10-11% b/f and I think I'm fat, so you being 155 and just under 11% tells me you are way under fit.
    But if you do go with pmag, 50mg for 6 weeks, clomid @ 50mg e/d for 4 weeks plus pct assist, for pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tLAMARw
    This is my current body type i took this about a a month and a half ago i'm a little more toned now, I just want some more size <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=52 573"/>
    With this I'd say you are in the upper 9%-10%
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    That's your problem, you are either not spending enough time on a muscle, or if you are, then you are in the gym for too long, without including cardio.
    I don't believe your diet, I think you are guesstimating it, and are way off. I'm 175 and 10-11% b/f and I think I'm fat, so you being 155 and just under 11% tells me you are way under fit.
    But if you do go with pmag, 50mg for 6 weeks, clomid @ 50mg e/d for 4 weeks plus pct assist, for pct.
    I'm not guessing I've been eating the same thing for the past 6 months, I count my calories daily. But thank you for the advice about the p-mag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    With this I'd say you are in the upper 9%-10%
    Yeah I havent tested it in two months so it could be around 9 or 10
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    i way over trained for a long time. it is really hard to walk out of the gym sometimes. i really have to force myself to leave. it will be harder on cycle. your routine is similar to what i used to do. i lost fat but never bulked up. i had a hard time getting to 190. since i cut it back i have gotten to 208. there is some fat due to an injury but that is easy to get rid of. listen to manbeast, some of the best advice you will get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apoxtle View Post
    i way over trained for a long time. it is really hard to walk out of the gym sometimes. i really have to force myself to leave. it will be harder on cycle. your routine is similar to what i used to do. i lost fat but never bulked up. i had a hard time getting to 190. since i cut it back i have gotten to 208. there is some fat due to an injury but that is easy to get rid of. listen to manbeast, some of the best advice you will get.
    Thanks for the helpful advice, I just want to get to 175! And I will be a happy guy haha, 20lbs to go but ive been stuck at the same weight since high school I've gained more muscle but the weight has stayed the same. I will try and find a new routine that maybe I can build some more muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tLAMARw

    Monday,Wednesday,Friday
    Chest
    Flat bench 5x5 at 185 Increasing by 5lbs each week if I can complete the reps.
    Incline bench 5x5 5x5 at 145 same increasing by 5lbs if I can complete them with good form
    Decline Flies 6 sets of 6-10 reps increasing weight with each set
    Dumbbell Pullovers 4 sets of 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Dips 5 sets till failure
    Back
    Wide Grip Chin Ups 5 sets till failure
    Cable rows 5 sets 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    One arm bent over rows same 5 sets 6-10
    Dead lift 4 sets 6-10 reps
    Legs
    Squats 4 sets till failure
    Leg press 4 sets till failure
    Leg Curls 4 sets till failure
    Calves and Abs I do every day along with forearms.
    Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
    Biceps:
    Barbell curls 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Seated dumbell curls 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Dumbell concentration curls 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Triceps:
    Close-grip bench presses 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Pushdowns 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    French press (barbell) 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    One-arm triceps extensions (dumbell) 6 x 6-10 increasing weight with each set
    Shoulders: (my shoulders are really week so i usually go pretty light on these exercies working them up a lot more lately though)
    Seated barbell presses 3 x 6-10
    Lateral raises (standing) 3 x 6-10
    Rear-delt lateral raises 3 x 6-10
    Cable lateral raises 3 x 10-12
    Wayyyyyy too much lifting...

    3-4 days a week in the gym is all you need to build muscle for your body type. You're like me. I've been there at 150ish.

    Best program for you is push pull legs. Plenty of rest, food, and water. Growth happens outside of the gym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    Wayyyyyy too much lifting...

    3-4 days a week in the gym is all you need to build muscle for your body type. You're like me. I've been there at 150ish.

    Best program for you is push pull legs. Plenty of rest, food, and water. Growth happens outside of the gym.
    I tried the old push pull legs program a while ago I'll give it another try thanks for advice!
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