best to stack with m4ohn?
- 09-12-2004, 05:38 PM
- 09-12-2004, 05:54 PM
I don't think anyone knows for sure what would be the ultimate stack for this compound but that's kinda part of the fun..experimenting to see what works best.
I've done 4AD/oht dermal stacked with m4ohn and it worked pretty well. I'd like to stack it with a 4ad/1T injectable and see what grows.
09-12-2004, 06:13 PM
09-12-2004, 07:42 PM
Tomorrow I start a M4ohn/1,4 AD stack for 8 weeks. My reason, I'm looking for lean gains and minimal sides.
09-12-2004, 08:37 PM
09-12-2004, 10:16 PM
same as dman probably, clean gains not a bunch of water. kind of wondered how 1 test would do, was afraid 4ad might not work so well. but what do i know!
09-12-2004, 10:35 PM
My next cycle I'm gonna use 1-test/4oht dermal and m4ohn at 30mg a day. I think this will make a killer cycle, for good lean gains. Just my theory though.
09-12-2004, 10:47 PM
09-12-2004, 11:06 PM
We'll keep ya posted. Its the nature of both M4Ohn and 1,4 AD that they start out slow, say 2 to 4 weeks before they kick in. That's one reason I'm going for 8 weeks this cycle. Given the success I had last cycle with M4Ohn, I'm looking forward to this cycle more than any other I have ever done. I'm set to do 40 mgs ED (4 X 10) of the M4Ohn and 900 mgs ED (3 X300) of the 1,4 AD. I want (1) lean gains, (2) to lean out what I already have (200lbs @ 5'11") and (3) Increased strength.
09-13-2004, 01:56 AM
Scorpio and Dutchman--both cycles look good! Definitely like to hear how they progress. As for other possibilities, M4OHN and 3-Alpha t/d worked really well for me recently. I started with M4OHN and M5AA, but switched to avoid the M stacking. I ran 1T t/d at the same time too. Good luck.
09-13-2004, 07:53 PM
i've been doing 1,4ad oral at about 680mgs/day. just partitioned the 9 gms i had on the shelf. may have to buy some more. (don't really have the funds right now especially at $4/gm like $3/day) may just fire up some 1-test transderm i have made up. may run a little 4ad just to keep up. was gonna do only 4 weeks but will probably take it out 6-8.
09-13-2004, 09:17 PM
09-13-2004, 09:33 PM
Yeah, I was thinking 1-test and m4ohn as well, maybe some 4ad to avoid libido problems. Seems like a great stack for lean gains.
I remember a thread where I think 2 people said they got gyno from a m4ohn and mdien stack so this may be one to avoid if you're gyno prone.
09-13-2004, 10:25 PM
I am prone to gyno (pubertal gyno) and had no problems with my m4ohn cycle, but then again I used 10mg of Nolva each day starting like week 2+.
09-14-2004, 02:31 AM
yeah, you guys bettter find something to stack with M4OHN cuz M4OHN as a standalone won't do ****! And that way when you do get some gains from your stack, you can waste more money by buying more M4OHN.
09-14-2004, 06:00 AM
I whole-heartedly disagree with this statement, but what do I know ? If you stack M4OHN with lots and lots of 4AD (like I'm doing now), you might wanna use something to control estrogen (like an AI or some form of DHT), as M4OHN will add to the 4AD bloat, IMO. But with the addition of one of them, that stack is the **** ! Also 1-test trans or cyp will only make things better, 4OHT is also a great addition as it will help control estrogen as well.Originally Posted by lancelot
09-14-2004, 06:43 AM
09-14-2004, 12:39 PM
09-14-2004, 01:31 PM
Might be safer to use the nonmethylated version of the 1,4, or there is an esterified version of the ohn available without the methyl as well.Originally Posted by -2z-
09-14-2004, 03:18 PM
hey soldier, wanna battle? As much as i wanted to believe in M4OHN, my 2 real life feedbacks on M4OHN tells me it's crap. how many people do you know using M4OHN as a standalone have any lean gains or effective cut? hardly any. anyone with any results from M4OHN either stacked and/or changed up their diets or w/o routine. look at some crap results from am members like deoudes(catabolic cycle, i had the same effect) and juiceman(sorry we bagged you so badly, you were right).Originally Posted by supersoldier
Stop lying to people already. i luv custom, sldge, methyls, but i'm not going to hype crap anymore. M4OHN has bad feedbacks at bb.com , bullk and AL. It's only here that you guys are holding on to it like MD. give it up, you'll get 10X better results on a 1T/4-AD trans than with M4OHN.
09-14-2004, 07:25 PM
Well, I didnt change anything in my workout program or diet. I can say I'm having some results from m4ohn. They arent huge, but i was not expecting that from a MILD compound like it is.Originally Posted by lancelot
I'm sure of it, but also more sides.give it up, you'll get 10X better results on a 1T/4-AD trans than with M4OHN.
09-15-2004, 04:11 PM
How does this sound...
week 1-4 300mg transdremal 4ad
week1-4 100mg oht
week 2-4 15 mg m1t, split doses 8 hours apart\
week1-4 16mg m0hn
week5-8 40 mg mohn
I wanted to do a 8 week mohn cycle, but now I'm thinking working the m1t in there would yield much better results.
09-15-2004, 04:37 PM
09-16-2004, 09:54 AM
Why do you say that?
Here's my reasons for doing it like that. First' I'd like to run m40hn for the first 4 weeks to get it in my system,( I could run 8mg ed, if that would be better) but not expecting much gains. (might help keep water retention down some though.)
The 4ad and hydroxytest, will counter the sides from the m1t.
Then the last 4 weeks, I will (hopefully) maintain all my gains for the m1t and harden up, maybe adding another pound or 2.
m40hn is mild on natural test suppresion and thus my nads will begin producing again.
Thus when I get to pct, 4 weeks after the m1t my natural test will not be as low and thus, I should keep my streangth and size.
Is my theory so wrong??!!
If I'm making a few minor mistakes in this cycle, please suggest something I should change.
09-16-2004, 10:13 AM
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