Age 19 and Shut Down

[Pointe.Sky]

I have been careless and am paying the price. Any wise counsel regarding my recovery would be appreciated. Symptoms include erectile dysfunction, low libido, gyno, brain fog, lethargy, sore joints, and muscle wastage. Here is some background info:

Age 15: began taking Prozac for 1.5 years
Age 16: took superdrol/hdrol combo for 8 weeks (too long) and did insufficient pct (I force reversitol as stand alone. Developed gyno hardcore
Age 17: took letrzole at a high dose for a year straight (too long) to attempt to get rid of gyno to no avail. Killed my sex drive an couldn't get erections hard.
Age 18: got cortisone shots in each nipple four different times to reduce gyno but also killed muscle. Got acne hardcore after stopping letro. Began taking minocycline for acne. Started getting some erectile function. Then began taking finasteride prescribed by doctor for my hairline. After four months I completely shut down. Total ED, zero sex drive, muscles and joints shrinking, lethargy, brain fog.


I stopped taking finasteride after 4 months in April 2011. My total T in may was 569. In June after taking nothing it dropped to 463. I did nothing for four months hoping to improve and kept feeling worse. I knew my T was dropping still and didn't get it checked because the results made me more depressed. I finally got some flood and did a 2 week cycle . I got some erectile function back and my balls got bigger. My muscles were feeling week and so two weeks after finishing clomid I tool a light 3 week cycle of epistane which helped restore some muscle and reduced gyno some. My erections were more full and I was more alert and aggressive. I followed with a 4 week pct of Nolva. Felt terrible. Did two weeks of clomid after and was more depressed than ever. Afterwards I felt a lil better but still wasnt close to full recovery.

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The last two months I have been following a recommendation from propeciahelp .c o m I have been on progesterone cream, tyrosine, and theanine. I feel better than I have in a while but am still depressed. Muscles are growing slowly but surely and erections are improving but still weak. Ik it's a long process.

As far as bloodwork I assume dht levels are very low (finasteride) My T seems to be on the rise. Progesterone is seeming to help. It supposedly will balance the hormones.​

 

[ManBeast]

I'd stop all this self-medicating at this point and go see an endocrinologist...

ManBeast

 

[howwedo107]

Damn dude that thread was depressing....I'd deff listen to manbeast

 

[dannyn2007]

Exactly what man beast said. Obvious trying to "cure yourself" ain't working. Stop wasting time, stop making things worst and see a endo

 

[Gerbil]

I believe this is a perfect example of why you shouldnt start anabolics before your 20's. I am sorry you had to be an example but seriously go to an endocrinologist. If you did this your recovery would have probably taken approximately 2 years and you would be enjoying your prime not trying to recapture it.

Good luck, I hope you can recapture what you have missed.

 

[C Rex]

Do us all a favor and see a doctor before you mess you body up any worse. Hopefully they can help you reverse some of the damage you have caused. I hope everything turns out well but it sounds like you really need some medical attention sooner rather than later.

 

[Pointe.Sky]

Went to doc and explained situation but doc only ordered test FSh lh and progesterone and wouldn't add dht cortisol and e because it was against recommended procedure. Next available endo appt is 2 weeks

 

[ManBeast]

The *only* think i can *sorta* reccomend with a clear conscious is clomid at a mild dose until then. Please make that appointment.

ManBeast

 

[C Rex]

The *only* think i can *sorta* reccomend with a clear conscious is clomid at a mild dose until then. Please make that appointment.

ManBeast

The only thing I worry about with clomid is the fact it makes some users emotionally hypersensitive. It's not bad advice, however mixing that with depression could spell trouble. I'm not knocking you at all, ManBeast, in fact that it was one of my first ideas when I read his post, I am just playing devils advocate. What do you think?

 

[ManBeast]

Agreed, but i'd rather be an emotional wreck on the way to getting my balls working again than emotionally wrecked knowing they are not working. I only noticed the emotional sides of clomid (personally) when I was dosing it high and made the mistake of drinking one night during a PCT. I'm suggesting something like 25mg/day for the OP. Chances are the endo will do something similar.

ManBeast

 

[Gerbil]

Is he still on anti-depressants? Messing with hormone lvls + anti-depressants= bad times.

 

[ManBeast]

good point... ohy

ManBeast

 

[Srt4Muscle]

maybe try another endo doctor too, a second opinion might help. they also might run the other tests for you.

im very scared to even suggest anything to you, ill throw out some questions for other people to answer on that might narrow down some sort of solution, well not a solution but something to help.

what do people think about a strong dose of hcg for a kick start, say 2-5000iu? or maybe a couple weeks at 500iu?

why dont people suggest nolva instead of clomid to avoid the mood swings?

a natural test booster seems appropriate to me, DAA?

have you talked with your parents about this? do they understand what you did to yourself? you are in a very very dangerous postion right now, im not trying to scare you and i dont know what kind of people they are, but i would sit them down and try to basically explain what you did, how the systems youve messed up work, and the serious help you need. i would suggest buying a hormone panel test online but they are like 250$ and take weeks to get results back.

 

[srblan]

You wouldn't happen to use an HMO would you? They get rewarded for saving money by providing the cheapest care possible. You need a specialist who is going to get you better care. You have to get to an endocrinologist as everyone has suggested and make sure you tell them the whole story.

It's really not surprising that you have no sex drive having been on letro for a full year, estrogen is necessary for sex drive and it's a very strong aromatase inhibitor. You got rebound gyno because it doesn't stop estrogen, it only prevents it from binding, so when you discontinued letro, it bounced right back. It's the reason people use things like Erase at the end of many cycles - it's a suicide aromatase inhibitor, meaning it binds to the aromatase and alters it so that it can't be used to create estrogen.

Seriously, though, stop self medicating, you're not doing yourself any favors. Tell the endo about the shutdown and there might be something else you can try that will not shut you down as much.

 

[schwellington]

You ****ed yourself up what makes you think you can fix yourself- go see a doc bro

 

[srblan]

maybe try another endo doctor too, a second opinion might help. they also might run the other tests for you.

im very scared to even suggest anything to you, ill throw out some questions for other people to answer on that might narrow down some sort of solution, well not a solution but something to help.

what do people think about a strong dose of hcg for a kick start, say 2-5000iu? or maybe a couple weeks at 500iu?

why dont people suggest nolva instead of clomid to avoid the mood swings?

a natural test booster seems appropriate to me, DAA?

have you talked with your parents about this? do they understand what you did to yourself? you are in a very very dangerous postion right now, im not trying to scare you and i dont know what kind of people they are, but i would sit them down and try to basically explain what you did, how the systems youve messed up work, and the serious help you need. i would suggest buying a hormone panel test online but they are like 250$ and take weeks to get results back.

I don't think it's a good idea for him to try to cure it any more. HCG might work, SERM might also, but we should leave this up to a professional because we are really only speculating about what's going on in his bloodwork.

 

[ginge205]

F**k mate. U really need a doc hope it all works out and keep us posted

 

[Gerbil]

 

[Roniboney]

Dude go to see an Endocrinologist before you become another Taylor Hooton and the laws on PH's get phucked again.


I'm sorry that this happened to you.This judt goes to show how important a SERM is.If you can't get one then don't start a cycle.

Thanks for being honest

 

[srblan]

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Let me get a couple shots in on that horse's kidneys.

 

[way2low]

****!!!! Go to the doc man.

 

[EArch]

See an endo, and then another endo.

Honestly bro thats wack, I am too afraid to even offer advice because this is a real important medical issue. I think you may end up on TRT.

 

[TheMeatus101]

Didn't you say you already saw an endo? Well obviously he isnt worth a ****, go see a different one, dont self-medicate yourself anymore because at this point your bodies ****ed, your on all this different shiz, just quit and go to a different doc.

 

[C Rex]

Agreed, but i'd rather be an emotional wreck on the way to getting my balls working again than emotionally wrecked knowing they are not working. I only noticed the emotional sides of clomid (personally) when I was dosing it high and made the mistake of drinking one night during a PCT. I'm suggesting something like 25mg/day for the OP. Chances are the endo will do something similar.

ManBeast

Good point, Man Beast. I would say that 25mg ED would be appropriate, but I would worry for him at higher doses. But then again, maybe I am being a pansy... Clomid has made me feel like a crazy but everyone reacts differently.

 

[ManBeast]

Oh man, for sure... at 150mg ED I felt like a "little girly b*tch" LOL so I'm not immune, but yeah, I don't think he'll get any of the major negs on that low of a dose.

ManBeast

 

[dannyn2007]

Sorry to sound like an ******* but kids like you are reasons why prohormones get a bad rep and ban. I'm glade u posted your problem. I help kids your age will see this and take the precautions to cycle. Now hopefully going to the endo and doc helps u, but hopefully it doesn't get notified to the FDA, etc.... I'm kinda glad you got what you got.

 

[C Rex]

Sorry to sound like an ******* but kids like you are reasons why prohormones get a bad rep and ban. I'm glade u posted your problem. I help kids your age will see this and take the precautions to cycle. Now hopefully going to the endo and doc helps u, but hopefully it doesn't get notified to the FDA, etc.... I'm kinda glad you got what you got.

I mean.... You ARE correct about why these supplements get a bad name. Was it the smartest thing he did? No, no it wasn't....But being GLAD he got what he got. Yikes, we're talking this dudes health and happiness here.

 

[ginge205]

Every one makes mistakes in life. Dont mean he deserves what he get he was only young. We've all done thing that are wrong. Some of us get away with it and some dont. I never used any hard sups but have been tempted. I wish him all the best and hope he gets sorted

 

[dannyn2007]

Not going against anyone I'n here. True, everyone makes mistakes. I make mistakes. But the op knew what he was taking cause why else would he take a pct? The problem was he probably thought he could get away with OTC pct by cycling superdrol/halo for 8 weeks. It's sad and bad that he has to go through this, but the bright side of it is it might help others think through there cycle better. I hope he does get better tho. I'm sure he did research but didn't think a serm was nessasary. Sorry op, didn't want to come off as an a hole. But your mistake might help others.

 

[ginge205]

True Hopefully pepoel do learn from his mistakes and how ever he fixs the problems . Can show other pepoel how to get help and what help to get

 

[ginge205]

True Hopefully pepoel do learn from his mistakes and how ever he fixs the problems . Can show other pepoel how to get help and what help to get

 

[Srt4Muscle]

god i wouldnt wish being shut down on anyone, **** is bad enough when you know what your doing lol. keep us posted im curious what the endo is gonna say, i hope you tell him everything and with his help you come up with a detailed plan to get you back on track. such sensative systems your dealing with especially at this age, maybe you will get lucky, maybe not.

 

[soontobbeast]

did you ever find out what was causing hairloss so bad that you needed to take propecia at 18?

 

[Masciaman]

Damn dude that thread was depressing....I'd deff listen to manbeast

dude i was thinking the exact same thing

 

[mattrag]

dude i was thinking the exact same thing

Yea man.. It's like bad, damn that's bad, damn gyno, damn muscle loss, damn no helping with gyno, holy crap your still only 19... Research first, but for now man see that endo. And be truthful, hunt for a good one as well. They are only a handful that actually know what they are doing.

 

[stormecho]

Look, everyone talks here like the kid DID know what he was getting into. You know what? He didn't. Someone told him he needed "PCT". He probably didn't know what the acronym even stood for.

I've met HUGE guys that have been on straight-up juice for years, and have never heard of PCT. Say what you want, but the vast majority of people who use steroids don't know a damn thing about them. I'd venture to say that the lion's share of people on here started out the same way.

It irritates me to see anyone have the nuts to flame anyone on this board, since they were likely in a similar position at some point. Aside from the members of this board that DO come from a scientific background, who are doctors, endocrinologists, or TRT doctors, IMO no one can stand up on a soapbox and start bleating to this kid about what he did wrong and how others should learn from it.

The kid is obviously scared, and doesn't need some juice-head-come-lately squawking about how he thinks the mistakes he made were so terrible.

To the others that posted honest advice, or lent an empathetic ear, good job.

 

[jamesm11]

Look, everyone talks here like the kid DID know what he was getting into. You know what? He didn't. Someone told him he needed "PCT". He probably didn't know what the acronym even stood for.

I've met HUGE guys that have been on straight-up juice for years, and have never heard of PCT. Say what you want, but the vast majority of people who use steroids don't know a damn thing about them. I'd venture to say that the lion's share of people on here started out the same way.

It irritates me to see anyone have the nuts to flame anyone on this board, since they were likely in a similar position at some point. Aside from the members of this board that DO come from a scientific background, who are doctors, endocrinologists, or TRT doctors, IMO no one can stand up on a soapbox and start bleating to this kid about what he did wrong and how others should learn from it.

The kid is obviously scared, and doesn't need some juice-head-come-lately squawking about how he thinks the mistakes he made were so terrible.

To the others that posted honest advice, or lent an empathetic ear, good job.

To be fair most of these people have the "balls" because they did PCT and don't have atrophy...jokes aside there is a lot of flaming on here, yes, but our country is too pussified with this "oh he made a mistake, let's feel bad and hold his hand through this". You reap what you sow. Life's tough, so sack up... /end rant/

Go to an endo, not a steroid forum

 

[dannyn2007]

To be fair most of these people have the "balls" because they did PCT and don't have atrophy...jokes aside there is a lot of flaming on here, yes, but our country is too pussified with this "oh he made a mistake, let's feel bad and hold his hand through this". You reap what you sow. Life's tough, so sack up... /end rant/

Go to an endo, not a steroid forum

Thank you!!!!!

 

[mikeg313]

This is just sad. I wish this kid the best but I think it's alil late for forum advice. Hope you get straightened out by a good doctor.

 

[ginge205]

How did u get on and the eno

 

[stormecho]

Yeah, blow me.

 

[Roniboney]

dude, how did u get cortisone shots for gyno? if a doc did this, he is a quack. cortisone will not treat gyno.
finasteride can cause gyno and loss of libido and some of the other complaints u have, but u said u stopped it.
u need detailed bloodwork and a doc who knows what he is doing. i had a primary care physician one time that was knowledgable about this kind of thing. look for a better doc.

isn't cortisone an anti inflammatory?my brother has no cartilage in his leg after a wear and tear from playing rugby and has had to get a cortisone shot and HGH to build him up.

 

[jamesm11]

dude, how did u get cortisone shots for gyno? if a doc did this, he is a quack. cortisone will not treat gyno.
finasteride can cause gyno and loss of libido and some of the other complaints u have, but u said u stopped it.
u need detailed bloodwork and a doc who knows what he is doing. i had a primary care physician one time that was knowledgable about this kind of thing. look for a better doc.

You are completely wrong.

I had the plastic surgery for gyno and I had a flair up on one side a few years post op and the plastic surgeon used cortisone to fix it. The glands are difficult to remove entirely so they can flair. He specializes in gyno surgery and was a bodybuilder too. He knew all the stuff

 

[srblan]

it obviously didn't do jack for his. he had 4 shots of it. take u some estrogen and cortisone at the same time and see if it stops the inevitable gyno that develops. if that worked u could rub u some cortaid cream on ur chest and cure gyno.
i just googled it and cant find any instince of cortisone being used for gyno. it is used to treat the inflamation that occours after surgery or lipo.

He said he had the surgery for gyno.

 

[the mixer]

The OP has been f*&ked over by propecia, nothing more needs to be said. Same happened to me, I've been off three years and still have ed, no libido, muscle loss and fat gain.

It's funny, almost, to see you guys worry that the fda will ban ph's cos of anecdotes like this. Propecia has been destroying thousands of guys for a decade and nothing has been done. Most guys 'crash' after coming off propecia and then don't get better, even if they go on TRT. Of course Merck refuse to acknowledge this and should rot in hell for what they did. I f you're interested look at propecia help .com

 

[heckler7]

damn this sux man. taking all those different compounds for so long you really cant expect to recover overnight. you need a good doctor.

 

[justliftit]

Man that sucks man. I would def go to a endo doctor and if that doctor didn't help then try a different endo Dr. Only thing I can think of until then is try some hcgenerate. Good luck. Let us know how everything goes.

 

[Pointe.Sky]

Thanks to all of u who have been helpful. I went to a primary care doc and he ordered a bloodtest. He assured me he would order a full panel and they tested a lot of **** but he must have got confused. The results came back with a whole bunch of **** for creatine and what not but very little on hormones.

All I know from the test is this:
Total test 584
LH 4.0
FSH 5.5
TSH 0.64
T4 6.9

 

[Pointe.Sky]

The OP has been f*&ked over by propecia, nothing more needs to be said. Same happened to me, I've been off three years and still have ed, no libido, muscle loss and fat gain.

It's funny, almost, to see you guys worry that the fda will ban ph's cos of anecdotes like this. Propecia has been destroying thousands of guys for a decade and nothing has been done. Most guys 'crash' after coming off propecia and then don't get better, even if they go on TRT. Of course Merck refuse to acknowledge this and should rot in hell for what they did. I f you're interested look at propecia help .com

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I agree. Propecia seemed to really finish me off. Before propecia my levels were probably ****ed up but I still had energy to have a daily routine of class, weightlifting, baseball, practice, and mma. I started taking propecia and when it kicked in I went basically brain dead and dick dead.

 

[Pointe.Sky]

Haven't been around lately because I have been trying to keep my mind off this while waiting for the test results. I do appreciate the sincere and thoughtful advice. I've been off progesterone cream and I've been seeming to feel better but my gyno flared up. I still had some clomid on hand. I took 25 mg sunday night and seemed to kill the gyno and my balls and penis feel fuller for the last few days and my muscles have felt more vascular. My erections have been better except for the morning after I took the clomid. Although it wasn't on my test I have a feeling that my E2 is high. The gyno flare ups, my mood, and the way I store fat are indicative of this. I am lean, I still workout hard and do cardio 4-6 days a week. I have a six pack but since coming off the progesterone cream in the mirror my fat storage patterns look more feminine.