Getting ready for Havoc/Epistane

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Getting ready for havoc run!
Here's what I have on hand.


1 bottle of cycle support.
1 bottle of the original RPN Havoc.
2 bottles of T-Bol
2 bottle of bio forge
60 tamoxifen tabs
60 clomid tabs

I've seen so many different ways to set this up. I have done cycles in the past. However, I've never done havoc. I am 5'10" and 165 lbs. my goal is to lean gain. My diet will consist of clean foods about 300-500 cals over maintenance. Any ideas on what the best way is to set this up with my current supps? I am taking a PRE and SizeOn currently.

Is there a non-methyl option that would serve a great stack?


I just don't know which way to go with this, I've been recommended to get more havoc and run it longer? Other people say "no way, 4 weeks only"!
 

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I'd run the epi solo and see how you respond. 6 weeks is fine, though don't feel like you need to go another 2 weeks if you are feeling crappy by week 4.

You might also think about doing a SD / Epi run if you want to add a little more mass:

Week 1-3: SD
Week 4-6: Epi

You could try adding katanadrol to the mix if you want to REALLY get lean and dry, but one of the sides could be achy joints (though I think fish oil and joints supps should be able to overcome that). Some people get dry joints on 25mg of winstrol, while I've never had issues with any 'dry' compounds at all.

Week 1-6: 200-300mg katanadrol
Week 1-6: Epi

You could even add transderm (google it) for a little extra mass. Run it the same length as the Epi.
 

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Good ideas! I will def research!

20/30/30/30 ok?

Or should I reach for 40?

This is my first PH, however i have done 10 weeks of sust250 and 10 weeks of enanthate/deca over 6 years ago.

Also , I searched google for "transderm" found alot of different things? Is there something more specific I should be searching for? I'm guessing this is a patch.
 

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Rs-transderm at needtobuildmuscle.com.

40 would be ok, but I would start with 20-30. Can always add an extra week and go higher. Good luck!
 

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I'm thinking about the katanadrol. I've only found 1 place on the Internet that carries it? Just wondering why, is it not a popular item? I myself have never heard of it, but def looks interesting! Is it used for cutting or gaining mostly?
 

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After hours OF research i ordered 2 bottles of RS transderm!
 

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So are you running trans solo? Or are you using it as your test base for your ph cycle?
 

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I want to stack the trans with my old bottle of 1st gen. Havoc. Would like some
Info on the best way to set this up..

I have a number of other supps in my cabinet.

-cycle support
-liver longer
-2 bottles of T-Bol
-2 bottles of bio forge
-about 60+ novladex
-about 60+ clomid


Currently , I take Jack3d Preworkout and SizeOn during. Xtend throughout the day.


I am 32 yrs. old
5'10". 165 lbs.
I have past AAS experience (6+ years ago)


My diet is very clean. (using myfitnesspal) I've been leaning out for the last 2 months. I am just slightly under maintenance. Averaging about 2350 cals per day and keeping Protein at 150-200g and carbs at about 225g on training days/125 on cardio or rest days.

I am doing a 4-day split as of now. I am also researching what might be the best workout program?

I have a wide open schedule right now, So I Hope to take advantage of that and get the most out of these next few months !

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I am doing a SD/Havoc stack right now.
SD. 5/10/10
Havoc. 30/40/40/50/60
Transaderm 7 pumps ED
All the support supps
PCT nolva 20/20/10/10
Erase 0/0/3/2/2/1
DAA
Vitamin c
 

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I am doing a SD/Havoc stack right now.
SD. 5/10/10
Havoc. 30/40/40/50/60
Transaderm 7 pumps ED
All the support supps
PCT nolva 20/20/10/10
Erase 0/0/3/2/2/1
DAA
Vitamin c
Cool!



Looks like I may run like this:


Week 1-7 N2Gaurd
Week 2-7Havoc-30/30/30/40/40/40
Week 3-8Rs-transaderm 5 pumps ED
Week 9-12 Nolva 20/20/20/10
Week 9-14 T-Boll by thermolife

Hope this looks good!

Will continue Sizeon throughout.

Not sure if I should incorporate BioForge? I have it on hand.
 

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Is it same quality as the first gen stuff??

Can anyone critique my set-up ?
 

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Bump, how does that regimen look?

Support , cycle, and PCT




Looks like I may run like this:


Week 1-7 N2Gaurd
Week 2-7Havoc-30/30/30/40/40/40
Week 3-8Rs-transaderm 5 pumps ED
Week 9-12 Nolva 20/20/20/10
Week 9-14 T-Boll by thermolife

Hope this looks good!

Will continue Sizeon throughout.

Not sure if I should incorporate BioForge? I have it on hand.
 

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