MattPorter
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Note: The following thread is in regard to Primordial Performance's AndroSeries v3 line and I promise I have no agenda, I just wanted to inform some people on some key attractions of these new hormonal products.
Post cycle sucks. Bottom line. Here is why:
Mental aspect - you know that hormones aren't coursing through your veins and recovery, muscle hardness, pumps, and confidence will decrease. Motivation directly will decrease.
Physical aspect - you fear inadequate recovery so you do not train as intensely due to paranoia of insufficient hormones to repair tissue.
Cosmetic aspect - You either keep eating same as you did while on cycle in hopes to maintain scale weight, but will inevitably get fatter, and softer due to lowered hormones/metabolic rate.
Here is why AndroSeries v3 reigns supreme come time for the "dreaded pct."
-You never fully shut down your signaling hormones (LH & FSH) while on cycle due to the once-a-day dosing, which closely mimics the bodies natural circadian pattern of hormone release.
- With properly functioning signaling hormones still intact while on-cycle, Post Cycle Therapy is a much easier transition, since you do NOT have to essentially resuscitate your endogenous testosterone from the dead!
-Now that your endogenous hormones are NOT completely shot, you can simply adjust your macronutrient profile in order to minimize bodyfat accrual and maximize lean mass retention.
-Theoretically your testosterone should be back to pre-cycle levels or in some cases HIGHER than pre-cycle levels which allows you to start your next cycle SOONER!
-The faster endogenous testosterone is back up to par (or above) the faster you can jump back on cycle to keep moving progressively up the ladder in regard to your physique goals.
On the flip-side --
Harsher designer steroids would have shut down your signaling hormones completely and also left your endocrine system completely stressed out in transitioning into Post Cycle Therapy.
This will leave the user fatigued, depressed, unmotivated and in a very poor position to maintain ANY gains. usually the gains that are maintained aren't "true gains" and more often than not, fat mass accrual and sodium retention ---Hey some guys just hate to see that scale number decrease and welcome fat and water!
If the designer steroids cycled were c-17aa oral steroids than you not only must consider an overly suppressed hpta, but stressed liver enzymes, skewed lipid panel, and higher hematocrit levels. Then to top things off the un-knowing user will use an A.I. for pct, which could further drive HDL into the ground and cause an estrogenic rebound as well.
Also - I was wondering as many other have whether this logic applies to dosing "dianabol" or "winstrol" in a once-a-day dosing scheme to replicate the minimal effects on LH and FSH like Andro products do
After researching a bit, I found that Dianabol dosed at 15mg a day, will suppress LH and FSH by 50%, and dosing winstrol at 15mg a day will also suppress LH and FSH to around 50% --Most likely the methylated properties of the steroids have a "lingering effect" in the liver and organs which perhaps the metabolites keep endogenous hormones suppressed regardless of once-a-day dose scheme.
(winstrol)---Alteration of hormone levels in normal... [Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1984] - PubMed - NCBI--
(dianabol)---Effect of an anabolic steroid (meta... [Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1976] - PubMed - NCBI
After looking through our beta-testers blood work it appeared Andro Products reduced LH & FSH by 10% or so.....
AndroMass tester -
pre- cycle LH = 2.4
on cycle LH = 2.6
pre-cycle FSH = 3.5
on-cycle FSH = 2.9
-This information was all in my head after a forum member asked about "How bad is pct coming off AndroMass v3" which triggered all these thoughts, which I feel are relevant and true.
-Matt
Post cycle sucks. Bottom line. Here is why:
Mental aspect - you know that hormones aren't coursing through your veins and recovery, muscle hardness, pumps, and confidence will decrease. Motivation directly will decrease.
Physical aspect - you fear inadequate recovery so you do not train as intensely due to paranoia of insufficient hormones to repair tissue.
Cosmetic aspect - You either keep eating same as you did while on cycle in hopes to maintain scale weight, but will inevitably get fatter, and softer due to lowered hormones/metabolic rate.
Here is why AndroSeries v3 reigns supreme come time for the "dreaded pct."
-You never fully shut down your signaling hormones (LH & FSH) while on cycle due to the once-a-day dosing, which closely mimics the bodies natural circadian pattern of hormone release.
- With properly functioning signaling hormones still intact while on-cycle, Post Cycle Therapy is a much easier transition, since you do NOT have to essentially resuscitate your endogenous testosterone from the dead!
-Now that your endogenous hormones are NOT completely shot, you can simply adjust your macronutrient profile in order to minimize bodyfat accrual and maximize lean mass retention.
-Theoretically your testosterone should be back to pre-cycle levels or in some cases HIGHER than pre-cycle levels which allows you to start your next cycle SOONER!
-The faster endogenous testosterone is back up to par (or above) the faster you can jump back on cycle to keep moving progressively up the ladder in regard to your physique goals.
On the flip-side --
Harsher designer steroids would have shut down your signaling hormones completely and also left your endocrine system completely stressed out in transitioning into Post Cycle Therapy.
This will leave the user fatigued, depressed, unmotivated and in a very poor position to maintain ANY gains. usually the gains that are maintained aren't "true gains" and more often than not, fat mass accrual and sodium retention ---Hey some guys just hate to see that scale number decrease and welcome fat and water!
If the designer steroids cycled were c-17aa oral steroids than you not only must consider an overly suppressed hpta, but stressed liver enzymes, skewed lipid panel, and higher hematocrit levels. Then to top things off the un-knowing user will use an A.I. for pct, which could further drive HDL into the ground and cause an estrogenic rebound as well.
Also - I was wondering as many other have whether this logic applies to dosing "dianabol" or "winstrol" in a once-a-day dosing scheme to replicate the minimal effects on LH and FSH like Andro products do
After researching a bit, I found that Dianabol dosed at 15mg a day, will suppress LH and FSH by 50%, and dosing winstrol at 15mg a day will also suppress LH and FSH to around 50% --Most likely the methylated properties of the steroids have a "lingering effect" in the liver and organs which perhaps the metabolites keep endogenous hormones suppressed regardless of once-a-day dose scheme.
(winstrol)---Alteration of hormone levels in normal... [Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1984] - PubMed - NCBI--
(dianabol)---Effect of an anabolic steroid (meta... [Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1976] - PubMed - NCBI
After looking through our beta-testers blood work it appeared Andro Products reduced LH & FSH by 10% or so.....
AndroMass tester -
pre- cycle LH = 2.4
on cycle LH = 2.6
pre-cycle FSH = 3.5
on-cycle FSH = 2.9
-This information was all in my head after a forum member asked about "How bad is pct coming off AndroMass v3" which triggered all these thoughts, which I feel are relevant and true.
-Matt
