AndroHard v3 is here -- Muscle Density, Strength & Aggression - Natural GYNO reversal

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AndroHard v3 is here -- Muscle Density, Strength & Aggression - Natural GYNO reversal







AM members,

The 3rd generation of AndroHard is here -- AndroHard v3

Sculpting a hard, masculine physique is virtually impossible without sufficient androgen levels. (1-8) AndroHard v3 delivers the strongest legal androgens found in the human body -- which pushes blood levels past the “androgen threshold” for harder, denser muscles. (8-20)

Our first AndroHard v3 tester, Kenneth N., lost 3% body fat and gained 6lbs of lean mass in only 8 weeks -- with nearly zero side-effects. See the interview here -


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Download the full case report here.​







How is AndroHard so effective?
  • Highly Dosed - Contains the highest dose of androgens found in any natural androgen product
  • Highly Anabolic - Super DHEA is 15x more effective than regular DHEA for increasing muscle density (12-21)
  • Highly Absorbable - Bypasses the liver and increases blood androgen levels for nearly 24hrs

What are the active ingredients?


The androgens in AndroHard include -


Super-Ra-DHEA & Super-Rb-DHEA - These natural saturated androgens easily convert to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which enhances muscle density, strength and aggression while blocking (and reversing) the development of estrogenic side-effects, such as gynecomastia (gyno). These androgens boost the testosterone activity over 2250ng/dL*, bringing your body into the "muscle hardening" zone. (11,24,25)​


Together, these androgens mimic the overall androgenic & anabolic power of true injectable testosterone -- with a bioequivalence of 375mg/week injectable testosterone enanthate -- so you can make serious gains without breaking the law. (11-23)



AndroHard = More Permanent Gains


Results from AndroHard are generally higher quality compared to methylated oral steroids -- making the gains easier to maintain, and longer lasting.


Methylated compounds such as superdrol, epistane, halodrol, dimethazine, etc., cause a rapid uptake of ionic fluid in the first 3-5 days leading to the rapid onset of muscular pumps, strength and weight gain. However, this fluid retention is rapidly lost after the cycle and gains are difficult to keep. (21)


The best results from AndroHard are often seen after 3-4 weeks when the development of new myoblasts (muscle fibers) begin to take shape, and fat cells begin to shrink. (26-31) The development of muscle fibers and increased number of nuclei is a long-term benefit that is more easily maintained for many months or years. (26,27) Users of AndroHard report nearly 75% retention of gains, even 8 weeks after discontinuing their cycle. (43)

Even reversal of pre-existing gyno is a long-term benefit that stays long after discontinuation of androgens. (24)









The results from AndroHard are dramatic and noticeable when complemented with heavy lifting and a high protein diet.

AndroHard will produce noticeable effects quickly.

Effects after 1-2 weeks –
  • Increased self-confidence
  • Frequent hard erections
  • Intensified muscular strength
... And then after 3-4 weeks –
  • 5-8lb lean mass increase
  • Increased muscle definition
  • 20-30% increase in strength

AndroHard = Less Side-Effects


AndroHard was painstakingly optimized to bring maximum results with minimal side-effects -- it’s unlike anything on the market.

Side-effects from AndroHard are mild, temporary, and usually completely unnoticed by users. Some men may even notice improved general health, as low androgen (testosterone) levels can lead to diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and depression. (32-34)











AndroHard = Easy Recovery

A rapid and complete recovery of natural testosterone production, ensures the maximum gain retention.

Users of methylated orals and injectable steroids often struggle from a prolonged recovery, due to the highly suppressive nature of these types of steroids. (35-36) Recovery from these compounds can take months, or even years. (35-38) This makes it extremely difficult to maintain gains, sex-life, and mental health.

AndroHard has one MAJOR advantage over the alternative -


24hr Release - Mimics the body’s natural rhythm
(LH & FSH secretion)
The single daily dose of AndroHard rises and falls within a 24 hour period. This ensures levels fall back to “pre-dose” levels every 24 hours, allowing natural testosterone production to be stimulated. This prevents testicular shrinkage, shutdown and prolonged recovery. (39,40)


Since AndroHard contains only androgens naturally produced by the body, they are easily metabolized and cleared from the body -- This allows users of AndroHard to fully recover in 30 days or less.




AndroHard = Superior Delivery

AndroHard utilizes the new Liqua-Vade 24HR Delivery technology -
  • Highly Bioavailable- Fat soluble androgens absorb up to 98% and bypass the liver
  • Highly Reliable - Maximum absorption is not dependant on food intake
  • Highly Convenient - Only ONE daily dose required for 24hr timed release of androgens
We accomplished ultra-high bioavailability by utilizing fat soluble “fatty ester” hormones which are absorbed by the “fat uptake” (lymphatic) system, seen here -














AndroHard = Cost Effective

When priced against the nearest competition, AndroHard is at least 200-1000% more cost effective. (41)

In fact, we encourage you to compare for yourself. Plus, consider the things you DON’T need with AndroHard -
  • Liver, kidney, or blood pressure support
  • Little blue pills to keep "things working"
  • Harsh "research grade" PCT drugs
  • Needles & sterilization


Primordial Performance = The #1 Source for Androgens


Primordial Performance is the industry leader in natural androgen supplements for men. Since 2006 our mission has been clear -- maximize the male hormone environment without comprimising health. Our products are backed by thousands of positive reviews, success stories, and detailed case reports.

We take responsibility for our customers and take pride in the following -
  • Most Trusted - Established industry leader since 2006 with an “A” reliability rating by the BBB
  • Exceptional Quality - 100% purity & identity testing
  • Knowledgeable Staff - Hormone specialists available from 9-5pm PST (Phone/Email/Chat)
  • Industry Innovator - Nearly 100% of profits are reinvested into future R&D


Order Now = Get Started Tomorrow


It can be difficult or nearly impossible to make progress to your physique with low androgen levels. If you are tired of being stuck in a plateau, take action now -- and give your body what it needs to take your progress to the next level.

Remember, AndroHard gives you -
  • Proven Safety - Extensive in-house blood data confirms exceptional safety profile (42)
  • Proven Effectiveness - Average 6lb lean mass, and 25% strength increase in only 8 weeks (43)
  • Proven Natural & Legal - Non-toxic naturally occurring androgens are found in the food supply (44,45)
If quality, safety, and effectiveness are important to you -- AndroHard is your #1 choice.




Head over to primordialperformance.com and order AndroHard now.

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41. Based on comparison to "natural androgen" based supplements, including 4-DHEA, 1-DHEA, androsterone, and epiandrosterone products.

42. Based on in-house blood data and case studies. Download white papers here - AndroHard

43. Based on in-house case studies. See "Research" tab here - AndroHard

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Would running 8 weeks andromass with 8 weeks half doses androhard be effective at controlling gyno as well? I have had minor gyno since puberty it has been under control but I would like to make sure it does not get worse with my next cycle.
 
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Would running 8 weeks andromass with 8 weeks half doses androhard be effective at controlling gyno as well? I have had minor gyno since puberty it has been under control but I would like to make sure it does not get worse with my next cycle.
AMv3 already has a 1/2 dose of the actives in AHv3.
 
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AMv3 already has a 1/2 dose of the actives in AHv3.
But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
 
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But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
Technically, taking 3 caps of AH/day along with 6 caps of AM would equate to a full dose of AH, which will be plenty to modulate any estrogen conversion from the 4-DHEA.
 
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But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
If your goal is to reverse gyno, you need to use Androhard ALONE.

-Eric
 
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My goal is not really gyno reversal more gyno control I just don't want it to get worse.
 
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My goal is not really gyno reversal more gyno control I just don't want it to get worse.
If thats the case, then the cycle you have outlined should be fine.

-Eric
 
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But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
If you got time I would definitely be interested in seeing you log this cycle
 
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My goal is not really gyno reversal more gyno control I just don't want it to get worse.
Then yes, as Rodja stated, you would have the equivalent of a full dose of androhard.

EDIT: Left page opened, came back and replied, and see Eric beat me to it, lol!
 

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Definitely can't wait to try this but I'm stacking with AD..
 
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If you got time I would definitely be interested in seeing you log this cycle
I'm sure I will log it but im still in PCT for hdrol so I wouldnt do another cycle till March lol so might have to wait a little while
 
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I think I was almost the most impressed with Kenneth. I got to film him and see him change every time I check up on him. He started off with a soft, estrogen dominant look -- Perhaps him being previously VERY over weight could have had something to do with it, but at the end of the cycle it was awesome to actually witness his physique take on a whole other "denser" appearance. He literally changed the EXACT way androhard should have changed him from the literature we know about DHT.

It was nice to see how genuinely happy he was with his results.

-Matt
 
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Of all the products, this one seems like it will be a home run. I like the doses and the ingredient choices, I will be running it in the near future.
 
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Of all the products, this one seems like it will be a home run. I like the doses and the ingredient choices, I will be running it in the near future.
Have you ordered yet? Hit me up if not:)
 

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i had great success with androhard v2..this product is legit it does what they say it will..it will harden you up,make you strong as an ox and you will have the stamina of a horse..you wont want to leave the gym
 
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sorry if this is a stupid question, but to try an maximize 1 bottle, would it be inefficient to take less than the recommended dosage per day and stretch to a ~5 week cycle? my logic is based on the increased potency of v.3.

guess im just trying to find the most efficient way to get a decent recomp in the spring and likely couldn't afford more than 1 bottle of anything.


now this may be a really stupid question.... but bear with me.... my friend has some epi he doesnt want... what if i were to do, say, 2 weeks of that followed by 4 weeks of AH at recommended dosage? would i be overly suppressed or shut down taking that approach or could i still get by on the TRS alone?

thanks guys
 
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I'm interested in Bill's query as well. Anyone? Anyone? I am in the middle of doing this (with a 10mg SD base :D:D:D:D:D)... ten day overlap of epi with androhard v3 at 6caps/day - this will come out to a 6wk TOTAL cycle. SD at 10mg/day is just for fun, and i love that chemical with all my heart.. I'll get some bloods at some point. I'm in love with SD. 0.50mg/EOD letro keeps all estro sides at bay and I can use my unit quite easily... I have HIGH HOPES for the AHv3.
 
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sorry if this is a stupid question, but to try an maximize 1 bottle, would it be inefficient to take less than the recommended dosage per day and stretch to a ~5 week cycle? my logic is based on the increased potency of v.3.

guess im just trying to find the most efficient way to get a decent recomp in the spring and likely couldn't afford more than 1 bottle of anything.


now this may be a really stupid question.... but bear with me.... my friend has some epi he doesnt want... what if i were to do, say, 2 weeks of that followed by 4 weeks of AH at recommended dosage? would i be overly suppressed or shut down taking that approach or could i still get by on the TRS alone?

thanks guys
IMO if you can only afford one bottle the recommended 4 weeks at full dose will be most effective, with the added hormone and enhanced delivery system gains will be great. As far as adding Epi I still advise the use of a SERM, but the TRS has held up as a solid PCT plan.
 
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I'm interested in Bill's query as well. Anyone? Anyone? I am in the middle of doing this (with a 10mg SD base :D:D:D:D:D)... ten day overlap of epi with androhard v3 at 6caps/day - this will come out to a 6wk TOTAL cycle. SD at 10mg/day is just for fun, and i love that chemical with all my heart.. I'll get some bloods at some point. I'm in love with SD. 0.50mg/EOD letro keeps all estro sides at bay and I can use my unit quite easily... I have HIGH HOPES for the AHv3.
Currently running ahv2 along side my 6 week mdrol run. 10mgs all the way. On day6 now so tomorrow I'll add in AH.
Hoping to recomp. I wouldn't see any problem other than running two meths side by side. Which seems like it would be pretty mean on the liver.
 
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Blood work we shall then have soon, my friend. Low dose SD I think has awesome potential. It's just SO HARD TO NOT GO HIGHER BC GAINS ARE SO WILD.
 
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Blood work we shall then have soon, my friend. Low dose SD I think has awesome potential. It's just SO HARD TO NOT GO HIGHER BC GAINS ARE SO WILD.
Depends really, 5mgs of SD and my HDL was in the single digits, LDL was in the 200's and my LFT's were elevated. This is why bloods are so important, not everyone responds the same some can take a lot more, but I have found the more cycles I've ran the quicker my numbers skew as well.
 
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IMO if you can only afford one bottle the recommended 4 weeks at full dose will be most effective, with the added hormone and enhanced delivery system gains will be great. As far as adding Epi I still advise the use of a SERM, but the TRS has held up as a solid PCT plan.
yeah, see, my logic was that the AH may negate any estro sides i'd see coming off epi (but at 2 weeks, there may not be any), but then i run into being on for 6 weeks, increasing the risk of suppression.

so you'd say if i could only afford 1 androseries product, i should got AH at 4 weeks as opposed to trying to stretch it out with like 4-5 caps a day as opposed to 6xday?

thanks again
 
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yeah, see, my logic was that the AH may negate any estro sides i'd see coming off epi (but at 2 weeks, there may not be any), but then i run into being on for 6 weeks, increasing the risk of suppression.

so you'd say if i could only afford 1 androseries product, i should got AH at 4 weeks as opposed to trying to stretch it out with like 4-5 caps a day as opposed to 6xday?

thanks again
He is just giving his suggestion. There is no "can't" with these products, you may lower the dosage to stretch it out if it suits your needs. Most like AndroHard dosed high, which is why we modified it to meet that demand, but others have certainly had results with a lower dose.
 
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Sooooo....... 4 caps per day of AHard for 6 weeks.....is good? That's one bottle right? If I recall the study quoted said that 133mg DHT weekly was the number for gyno reversal, and that 6 caps equated to ~200mg DHT. Therefore 4 a day should equal the study almost exactly. If i recall everything from the site/study correctly. Now the 70 some odd % reversal was after 6 months or more...but just saying that 4 caps should be an effective dosage.
 

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I'd love to try this as my first cycle but sadly I don't think I can get this shipped to Switzerland... Maybe I should go for a 12week holiday to the US :p

On another note, I have minor gyno since I I'm a teen, if I do manage to run a cycle, would stacking the Androhardv3 with another product such has Androdrive/lean be a bad choice? If I can get some strength/size and get rid of my gyno... I don't see many negatives lol
 
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Sooooo....... 4 caps per day of AHard for 6 weeks.....is good? That's one bottle right? If I recall the study quoted said that 133mg DHT weekly was the number for gyno reversal, and that 6 caps equated to ~200mg DHT. Therefore 4 a day should equal the study almost exactly. If i recall everything from the site/study correctly. Now the 70 some odd % reversal was after 6 months or more...but just saying that 4 caps should be an effective dosage.
4 would still be an effective dose -- no doubt, but 6 is what we used on our testers,,,,and something "magical" was happening with that whopping 1200mg dose per day as their body compositions were altering by the day.

3-4 gels great for bringing androgenic profile up to offset overly anabolic cycles and keeping estro somewhat under control, but 6 softgels will change your body appearance.

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I'd love to try this as my first cycle but sadly I don't think I can get this shipped to Switzerland... Maybe I should go for a 12week holiday to the US :p

On another note, I have minor gyno since I I'm a teen, if I do manage to run a cycle, would stacking the Androhardv3 with another product such has Androdrive/lean be a bad choice? If I can get some strength/size and get rid of my gyno... I don't see many negatives lol
No andro stacking is a bad choice -- we made sure to make each product complement eachother. Androhard is the most "stackable" and diversified product, alongside DRIVE.

Hard & Lean will be very special.

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yeah, see, my logic was that the AH may negate any estro sides i'd see coming off epi (but at 2 weeks, there may not be any), but then i run into being on for 6 weeks, increasing the risk of suppression.

so you'd say if i could only afford 1 androseries product, i should got AH at 4 weeks as opposed to trying to stretch it out with like 4-5 caps a day as opposed to 6xday?

thanks again
You most certainly can get estro/gyno effects in 2 weeks -- SD,M1T ,,, have all done this too poor innocent nipples around the nation. As for suppression -- Well our testers ran 8 week cycles of ANDRO with minimal suppression , so that should tell you something. Kick starting an EPi, SD, Hdrol for 2 weeks then ending the cycle on ANDRO only will call for an easy transition into PCT which your balls will thank you for.

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No andro stacking is a bad choice -- we made sure to make each product complement eachother. Androhard is the most "stackable" and diversified product, alongside DRIVE.

Hard & Lean will be very special.

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Good to know and about shipping, would it be better to PM/Email to talk about this as I'm not in the USA and I should maybe first find out if it is allowed to cross the border in to my country
 
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4 would still be an effective dose -- no doubt, but 6 is what we used on our testers,,,,and something "magical" was happening with that whopping 1200mg dose per day as their body compositions were altering by the day.

3-4 gels great for bringing androgenic profile up to offset overly anabolic cycles and keeping estro somewhat under control, but 6 softgels will change your body appearance.

-Matt
Sounds good. thanks.
 
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4 would still be an effective dose -- no doubt, but 6 is what we used on our testers,,,,and something "magical" was happening with that whopping 1200mg dose per day as their body compositions were altering by the day.

3-4 gels great for bringing androgenic profile up to offset overly anabolic cycles and keeping estro somewhat under control, but 6 softgels will change your body appearance.

-Matt
I am thinking that 8 weeks of AndroHard at a full dose sounds like a plan to me. Curious if anyone has considered running it alongside test E at say 500mg/wk? I know that is something I am seriously considering knowing that to get Masteron or something like that it would end up costing about the same and is that much less to inject.
 
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I am thinking that 8 weeks of AndroHard at a full dose sounds like a plan to me. Curious if anyone has considered running it alongside test E at say 500mg/wk? I know that is something I am seriously considering knowing that to get Masteron or something like that it would end up costing about the same and is that much less to inject.
Masteron = Awesome ..... More Injections = NOT Awesome lol. So long as the hard works as advertised, why not.
 
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Masteron = Awesome ..... More Injections = NOT Awesome lol. So long as the hard works as advertised, why not.
That and it will be my first cycle so adding in something I know how I react to along side the test, well that is just fine with me. I would rather do that then an oral kicker as most methylated orals raise my BP big time and anavar is just way expensive to run a real dose for 5-6 weeks like it needs to be run. Plus, I love how AndroHard treated me both runs I did.
 
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That and it will be my first cycle so adding in something I know how I react to along side the test, well that is just fine with me. I would rather do that then an oral kicker as most methylated orals raise my BP big time and anavar is just way expensive to run a real dose for 5-6 weeks like it needs to be run. Plus, I love how AndroHard treated me both runs I did.
well at least you know your shyte, you are one up on 99% of most others on their first cycle. Everything you said is spot on, glad to hear you liked the Androhard....I am going to order some today more than likely.
 
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Is it alright to take the full dose of AndromassV3 and AndrohardV3 together even tho AM has half the daily dose of AH in it?
 
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Is it alright to take the full dose of AndromassV3 and AndrohardV3 together even tho AM has half the daily dose of AH in it?
I will let one of the PP guys answer that definitively but I can say that at a high dose, 1-andro gave me bad lethargy but I believe with the new formulation that is a thing of the past. Again, best to let that suspicion be confirmed by the experts JD.
 
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You most certainly can get estro/gyno effects in 2 weeks -- SD,M1T ,,, have all done this too poor innocent nipples around the nation. As for suppression -- Well our testers ran 8 week cycles of ANDRO with minimal suppression , so that should tell you something. Kick starting an EPi, SD, Hdrol for 2 weeks then ending the cycle on ANDRO only will call for an easy transition into PCT which your balls will thank you for.

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hmm... i may have to go with this plan then. my friend just had gyno surgery a couple of months ago and has some epi he doesnt want that he said i could have for free. id like to get the full benefit of AH (so obviously i'd need to run at normal dosage), but am still somewhat hesitant to run for only 4 weeks (despite being my first cycle, i feel like a couple weeks of a mild methyl like epi to kickstart and help stretch the cycle may be beneficial). i'd like to be able to run trs as a solo pct... i guess my logic was that the epi will kickstart the cycle, but my body will return to homeostasis rather quickly after switching to AH with regard to BP and lipids, and while epi is supposed to combat gyno, it actually exacerbated my friends, so the AH would act as somewhat of a pct (poor choice of words, sorry) for the possible gyno effects of the epi, and i'd have an easy transition into a simple TRS PCT after those 4 AH weeks.......... but then, as i said, theres the issue of more suppression because of the kickstart/6 week cycle... guess its a matter of give and take... if you want the best possible results, you run the higher risk of being shutdown, but if you settle for a 4 week cycle (or longer of JUST AH) you don't have to worry as much


thanks for the help!
 
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You can stack them, but you'll only need 1/2 dose of AH.
But if I really wanted to do the full dose of each, would that still be fine?
 

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