- 12-02-2011, 11:44 PM
- 12-03-2011, 02:27 AM
Epi strong is much better than havoc.. At least in my experience. But unfortunately there is none left to be bought.
- 12-03-2011, 10:31 AM
it is g2g. You can also get the original IBE Epistane
12-03-2011, 03:33 PM
i have heard that rpn is under dosed. idk. ep-stane by dynamic formulas is good. i liked it. no sides really and felt like a clean product.i finished the last 2 weeks of my cycle with epi-xt by iron labs. this is the cheapest stuff i've seen. i got it for 24$ shipped. it didn't feel as clean as the ep-stane. i had more lethargy and irritability. it may have been because of the more frequent dosing. ep-stane is 15mg per cap. epi xt is 10mg per cap. the epi xt felt different. hell, it may be superdrol in it. but, the ep-stane is good.
12-03-2011, 05:26 PM
I just ran a rpn havoc cycle for 6 weeks with pretty decent results. Leaned up, gained a few pounds and quite a bit of strength.
I didn't start seeing results till the end of the third week though. I ran it at 20/30/40/40/40/40
12-03-2011, 06:48 PM
For those that are having the problem deciding whether to get RPN Havoc or IBE Epistane, here the deal:
Both RPN Havoc and IBE Epistane are designer steriodals (believe or not they are a 17a-methyl and must be treated as one). However there should not be some long drawn out debate (as i seen on many forums) about whether Havor or Epi is better.
Once you Pop the little pill in your mouth, nostrils, etc whatever way that works for you it then makes it passage way to the liver and both are broken down to the compound:
(hint where they get the name Epistane from )
And please dont get fooled by foolish posts that gives foolish written by foolish people telling you that you do not need a PCT when running IBE Epistane or RPN Havoc. Like every androgen, a pct is required! and this is not a mild product.
12-04-2011, 03:07 AM
Muscleshreder, what would you consider as a good PCT setup for Epi/Havoc? I have seen so many conflicting opinions on other sites, that its got me confused.
12-04-2011, 07:33 AM
OP.. If you get the opportunity try both products, Havoc and Epi Strong... See for yourself which is the better product.
12-04-2011, 07:40 AM
Don't know what my comment has to do with the already well known information given here.Originally Posted by muscleshreder
12-04-2011, 04:28 PM
I personally use Bluote's PCT Setup for a product that contains Epitiostanol:
1) Nolvadex (Tamoxifen citrate) or Fareston (Toremifene Citrate) :
Week 1 : 40 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 120 mg or 120 mg for 4 days then 90 mg(Toremifene Citrate)
Week 2 : 40 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 90 mg (Toremifene Citrate)
Week 3 : 20 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 60 mg (Toremifene Citrate)
Week 4 : 20 mg (Tamoxifen citrate) or 30 mg (Toremifene Citrate)
2) ThermoLife Ebol
Week 1 : 6 caps
Week 2 : 6 caps
Week 3 : 6 caps
Week 4 : 6 caps
3) Designer Supplements Lean Extreme or SNS Reduce XT
Week 1 : 3 caps
Week 2 : 3 caps
Week 3 : 3 caps
Week 4 : 3 caps
4) Basic supps like BCAA,Whey, BA, CM and Creatine
5) Anabolic Innovation Cycle support
Week 1 : 1 Scoop
Week 2 : 1 Scoop
Week 3 : 1 Scoop
Week 4 : 1 Scoop
Other possible supps :
1) Aromotase Inhibitor like ATD, 6-Bromo and 6-OXO
2) Test boosters or adaptogens like Tribulus, Avena Sativa, Maca root, Rhodiola Rosea ( Good help to boost libido during the PCT)
3) Nettle root product like DS Activate
I think his setup is pretty good running Epistane alone, however i see alot of people running so much unecessary stuff with the PCT that baffles me that they seem not to know they have 2 of the same product 0.0
Dont Bobby Slap my post plz
12-04-2011, 04:37 PM
I've had great results with pulsing epi no serm
12-04-2011, 04:38 PM
If there was a product called SuperCaffiene and another called CaffieneSuper, both are only caffiene the only way you will get difference is the dosage that you take. Thats all
Was only meant to be informative and not create confusion between Epistane better than Havos
Dont Yahoo! Slap my post plz
12-04-2011, 04:41 PM
Epitiostanol doesn't break down or convert it's already active.Originally Posted by muscleshreder
12-04-2011, 04:42 PM
12-04-2011, 04:48 PM
12-04-2011, 05:04 PM
2) If I did do an ED run of Epi and needed PCT, I am gun-shy when it comes to buying a SERM from a chem research company. What about using Primordial Performance's TRS for PCT?
12-04-2011, 05:08 PM
But havoc and epistane r Epitiostanol(methylated), requiring no conversionOriginally Posted by muscleshreder
12-04-2011, 05:09 PM
Three days a week is how I pulsed it.Originally Posted by DGA3
12-04-2011, 05:15 PM
12-04-2011, 05:18 PM
Great no shutdown. If there was any it wasn't noticeable. I used an ai on off days which probably isn't even needed but I was hoping it'd kick in the neg feedback loop. I always had one day with no ai and no epi tho. So the ai was only three times a week. Gives good boost in performance and recovery to pulse but u won't make the same gains as when u run it straight. It's worth it in my opinion tho cuz I hate shutdown even with a sermOriginally Posted by DGA3
12-04-2011, 05:21 PM
12-04-2011, 05:22 PM
That's exactly how my schedule was lol. U will like it. Hit it hard on the epi days!
12-04-2011, 06:03 PM
Dont Kitty Slap my post plz
04-30-2012, 09:00 AM
had questions about running dy formulas m-stane and ep-stane on the same cycle with CEL cycle assist and a PCT any thoughts? Or would it be beneficial to run the two seperatly and not stack?
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