Which Prohormone is more like equipoise
- 08-29-2004, 05:30 PM
- 08-29-2004, 05:33 PM
I think its 1,4 andro.
- 08-29-2004, 07:32 PM
09-01-2004, 06:49 AM
Use Boldeone from Molecular Nutrition 1,4
I put on between 10-12 pounds within 4 weeks, without
increasing my calories.
took 300 mg a day.
Morning: 100 mg Afternoon: 100 mg Evening: 100 mg
I am 170 pounds at 5'8
09-02-2004, 03:23 PM
Did you take this alone or stacked? I ask because you had good results on a low dosage. Others report using 600-1000mg per day.
How were the side effects for you? Thanks.
09-02-2004, 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by ironguru
Is that Diol or dione?
09-02-2004, 05:36 PM
09-03-2004, 03:52 AM
Well most probably I respond well to Boldeone.
Tried first six a day 600 mg and did put on the same
amount of pounds and then I tried 300 mg and it worked
the same for me and also some other friends who are about
as heavy as I am.
But some other guys I know who are over 200 pounds
had to take more.
Side effects was : Libido was very low so PCT is
09-03-2004, 08:16 AM
I do PCT for four weeks:
1 week morning 300 mg --- evening 300 mg
2-3 week morning 300 mg --- evening 300 mg
4 week morning 300 mg
Zinc 2 x 50 mg
morning 500 mg afternoon 500 mg evening 500 mg
before and after work out
2 x 5 gram
morning 300 mg afternoon 300 mg evening 300 mg
that's what I do.
09-03-2004, 08:30 AM
Have something that my interest you:
increases the nitrogen balance and nitrogen in term increases the rate of protein being absorbed and utilized in muscle-protein synthesis in the cell dramatically. That means in combination with a high-protein diet it can give you slow but very sustained and definite muscle increases, pound for pound quality mass. In that aspect it has one extreme benefit, and that is that it also stimulates the appetite strongly. So it helps you supply the means as well as the ingredients for building quality muscle mass. The gains made on boldenone are also fairly easy to maintain after discontinuation of the product, which cannot be said of every anabolic compound.
Boldenone is moderately estrogenic and mildly androgenic, that means no enormous strength increases or massive weight increases due to estrogenic water retention are seen. It also reduces the chances of any occurring side effects related to androgens and estrogens.
1,4-andro has a double bond between the 1st and 2nd carbon that makes it naturally highly orally active without increasing liver toxicity. That means levels of boldenone can be increased with doses of 1,4-andro orally, often as low as 100-200 mg daily.
I also tried M1T and I did not work, at least not for me.
I don't want to eat 4000-5000 calories when I am on
M1T, as some people in here recomend, to put on 15 pounds.
with such hight calories I would put on at least 30 pounds
but most of it fat and water.
09-03-2004, 08:55 AM
Thanks for all the details. I've read the 1,4ad profiles before, but it's always useful to read direct feedback.
09-04-2004, 05:24 PM
Do not get mixed up though.
1,4Andro is like equipose, but M1,4andro converts to d-bol. Much different if U know a base knowledge about different AAS. M1,4 comes from designer, 1,4andro is wherver =/
09-04-2004, 06:32 PM
Yeah, I haven't been pursuing m1,4add now. It's funny that there's not more feedback about it actually, because I thought guys would have jumped on a d-bol substitute. For instance, I'd like to know how hepatoxic it is compared to say m1t.
09-04-2004, 07:24 PM
Question: would 1,4 Andro (dione or diol) work in a transdermal?
09-04-2004, 07:31 PM
i was wondering the same thing.Originally Posted by Syr
09-04-2004, 08:05 PM
I dont see why it would not. My question is which will be more effective oral or trans?
09-04-2004, 08:29 PM
I did some search and its used in a couple of trans stack (not like the one i'd like to make though). Probably it will be effective the same than oral, not more (just my speculation - no comparison available).Originally Posted by hethcliff
I came through a strange affirmation, that the dione version is more effective than the diol one (at least in trans), which on paper shouldnt be.
09-04-2004, 10:46 PM
Some guys have used this as a transdermal, Scorpio, DDD, Carson33. One guy says 300mg per day transdermal. Check a thread called, "Is 1,4-Diol for mass or cuts?"
Is 1,4-Diol for mass or cuts?
I don't care what anyone has to say about the oral efficacy. I've been mixing it (dione version) in a transdermal 1:1 with 1-Test and the **** is powerfull. It will cut you up like a razor bro. 300 mg per day is more than enough in a transdemal. But beware, I've noticed that it's much more powerfull than 1-test when it comes to shutting the nuts down. These are my personnal observations, not something I read on a board somewhere else. Oral 1,4-andro will blast into your system way too quick to make the conversion to boldenone. You only have so much enzyme available at any given time to convert the 1,4-andro to boldenone. The transdermal will trickle in and convert much more efficiently. Oral will avert first pass in the liver, but end up in the toilet unconverted and unused.
I have a guess about why the dione works better than diol. (1) the dione gives you some estrogen which may make it work better and (2) the diol is difficult to manufacture in a pure uncontaminated form, so it's possible the concentration isn't as high. This is speculation though.
Last edited by rrgg; 09-04-2004 at 11:16 PM.
09-05-2004, 03:36 AM
Very interesting read. I'll start a new thread but my idea for a trans would be like this:Originally Posted by rrgg
4-0H (in higher dose to match 4AD effectiveness)
3AA (or 5AA?)
Stll lean bulking and still on the safe side.
I will eventually take m4ohn again orally if at the end of my actual cycle i like it enough
09-05-2004, 09:09 AM
this makes me want to mix some 1,4 andro in a trans with 4ad. next cycle was going to just be 4ad/m1t, but i think i'm going to add in some 1,4 andro in a trans with the 4ad now.
09-05-2004, 09:30 AM
hethcliff, I'm not totally following you. you're going to use 4ad/1,4ad trans plus m1t? what is it about 1,4ad that led you to this decision? I think a lot of the 1,4ad users on the board seem to take it solo for minimal sides. Just curious about what you're thinking here... thx
09-05-2004, 09:47 AM
hmmm my stack is for lower sides.Originally Posted by hethcliff
you may want to mix with 4ad for its anti-estrogen. but m1t, oh my...
09-05-2004, 02:44 PM
Originally Posted by rrgg
i wanted to sort of do a lean bulker. was thinking that the 1,4ad trans would help to keep the gains a bit more lean. maybe i am off on this. for a "lean bulk" what would be better? i'm not dead set on another m1t cycle but would still like to get about another 10lbs. in a 4-6 week cycle.
09-05-2004, 06:36 PM
I'm the wrong person to ask. Maybe someone else can advise.
Also, there's a thread on m1t/1,4ad here:
(Can't remember if this is allowed, but will gladly delete the link upon request)
09-05-2004, 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by rrgg
thx for the thread, doesn't have a whole lot of info in it though :/
09-05-2004, 10:59 PM
I know, but I thought it was odd that someone else is looking at m1t / 1,4ad. I thought you could write to the guy privately.
09-05-2004, 11:08 PM
Originally Posted by rrgg
i'll see what he has to say, thanks for the link
09-06-2004, 01:04 AM
Well the big diff between dione and diol is the conversion percentage. Dione has a highe conversion to the target hormone (Boldenone/Equipose for 1,4ad and Dianabol for m1,4add) The actual number is around 15% for m1,4add. So 100-200grams a day is not unheard of. The only feedback ive gotten about this product is good feedback.
As for hepatoxic issue regaurding m1,4add. Dont take the first impression that its methylated so its bad. In a way its true, but its no different than actual d-bol itself. D-Bol is a methylated substance as well, which is why adding the methyl to 1,4add it converts to its parent, d-bol. Take out the methyl, and its equipose. So in my OPINION (No scientific research) its not more toxic than d-bol, which is less than M1T, but should still be cautioned with.
09-06-2004, 08:05 AM
Lich -- You're confusing these products. There are 3: a dione version of 1,4ad, a diol version of 1,4ad, and a methylated diol m1,4add.
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