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    Question M1,4ADD Cycle Feeback Wanted


    I've just started a my first M1,4ADD cycle and would appreciate feedback. Primary goal is to add 5-8lbs of lean mass.

    Week 1-5


    • M1,4ADD 90mg
    • 4-AD (trans) 500mg
    • M5AA 20mg (*pre-workout only*)
    • Femara 1mg (to counter 4-AD bloat)
    PCT

    Week 1 - 60mg Nolva + Clen 60-160mcg
    Week 2 - 50mg Nolva + Clen 160-60mcg
    Week 3 - 40mg Nolva
    Week 4 - 30mg Nolva

    I'm 6'4/235lbs/13%BF.


    Would it make sense to add a week of M5AA only at the end for the hardening effect?

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    Might not wanna use as much letro, maybe 1 mg EOD and add more if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    Might not wanna use as much letro, maybe 1 mg EOD and add more if necessary.
    Will it inhibit gains at 1mg ED?
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    It'll inhibit strength gains definitely no matter what the dose. At 1mg/day your joints might hurt and feel kinda dry. I don't know how fond you are of stacking methyls, but if you used more M5AA twice a day that'll keep the bloat at bay and then some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    It'll inhibit strength gains definitely no matter what the dose. At 1mg/day your joints might hurt and feel kinda dry. I don't know how fond you are of stacking methyls, but if you used more M5AA twice a day that'll keep the bloat at bay and then some.
    Thanks for your input. I'll reduce the Femara dose and see how it goes. I'm not a big fan of stacking methyls which is why I'll only be using M5AA on workout days, i.e. three times per week.
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    Do you think that is too much clen for pct considering this isn't a cutting cycle?
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    Damn Red, that is a wet cycle. You will be holding so much water you will look like a Oompa-Loompa

    Drop the 4AD this time and raise the M5AA to 40.

    I don't see anything wrong with the Clen dosage........IF you are used to using that and Ephedrine so you have a tolerance. And since Clen is somewhat anabolic I think it makes a good addition to PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skark
    Damn Red, that is a wet cycle. You will be holding so much water you will look like a Oompa-Loompa
    LOL. Last time I used 4-AD (with Nordoil) I retained a lot of water, even my feet looked slightly swollen. This is why I added some Femara.

    The main reason for adding 4-AD was to insure I didn't have a loss of libido. After reading LeanOne's great log he didn't seem to be too shutdown in this dept but I'm hedging a bit.

    Anyway, thanks for your input. I'll raise the M5AA a little and closely monitor the 4-AD bloat and act accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manu20
    Do you think that is too much clen for pct considering this isn't a cutting cycle?
    Even at 160mcg+ I exhibit very few sides, e.g. shaking so I thought adding the clen would take care of any fat added on cycle.
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    Why not throw in some 1-T with the 4AD (ala S1+)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    Why not throw in some 1-T with the 4AD (ala S1+)?
    I tried S1+ before and it really irritated my skin, it was miserable. Shame, as it seems a great product.
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    Using s1 to get ur dose of 4-ad and it would add 1-test would just throw u over the edge. If ur body can handle it, itd give u that much more gain wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redspy
    I tried S1+ before and it really irritated my skin, it was miserable. Shame, as it seems a great product.

    You may want to try another carrier but I suspect that it was the 1T. You could try an oral 1T product but of course that would be more expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redspy
    I tried S1+ before and it really irritated my skin, it was miserable. Shame, as it seems a great product.
    I applied transdermals only on my calves and never got any skin irritation or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redspy
    Week 1 - 60mg Nolva + Clen 60-160mcg
    Week 2 - 50mg Nolva + Clen 160-60mcg

    Just caught this. Why taper down the clen? Once you hit 160mcg, lowering the dose will make the clen not do a thing for you. If anything keep raising it until you come off, or add some yohimbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    Just caught this. Why taper down the clen? Once you hit 160mcg, lowering the dose will make the clen not do a thing for you. If anything keep raising it until you come off, or add some yohimbine.
    Most of the sample clen cycles I've seen showed some tapering off towards the end. I was intending to use a bottle of Ergolean MC I have lying around after the clen. Again, thanks for the feedback, I'll adjust as necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redspy
    Most of the sample clen cycles I've seen showed some tapering off towards the end. I was intending to use a bottle of Ergolean MC I have lying around after the clen. Again, thanks for the feedback, I'll adjust as necessary.
    The whole reason for upping the dose of clen as you go along is because you develop a tolerance to it, very, very quickly. So if you start at 60mcg, that same 60mcg isn't gonna do jack **** for you after about 3 days. So lowering the dosage after plateauing at 160mcg or so would be completely counterproductive. If you've never used clen, I'd say to start at 40mcg too. Especially if it's Custom's stuff, that is some really good ****!
  

  
 

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