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  1. new to chemicals trying to learn more


    honestly is there much difference between test e and finaflex's 1-andro???


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Affliction2u View Post
    honestly is there much difference between test e and finaflex's 1-andro???
    test e is testosterone while 1 andro (1-test) very different...first off all test is king, no arguing that. If you look at the molecular structure test has a double bond at the 4 position while 1 andro, well you guessed it has it at the 1 position

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    the double bond is the little dash inside the first hexagon. the 1 position starts at the top of hexagon and goes to 4th position counter clockwise to 4th position at bottom of the 1st hexagon.

    the double at the 1 i believe helps it resist liver breakdown
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  3. The enone is key to binding to the androgen receptor. This is why it's not a "pro" hormone.

    Orally active steroids are alkylated at the 17 position to inhibit liver breakdown (ring D)

    The "pro" hormone shown needs to be metabolized first, that Alcohol attached to C-3 needs to be oxidized, in order to be relatively active.

    the E in Test E has to do with the ester that's attached, a heptanoic acid that has an ester bond to the D ring alcohol on the testosterone molecule. This makes the testosterone "fatty" and therefore accumulates in the tissue and is released over a longer time period.
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  4. wow i definately didnt realize how different the two compounds really were, thanks for the info guys

  5. so i have one more question, is there a way to reduce the attached alcohol without completely changing the supplement itself? say for instance, could you take something else to make it more active.

  6. Not a chance. It takes a very strong oxidizing agent to attack that alcohol. And even so, you'd have side reactions that would result in a Dione as well. It would take legitimate chemistry in (relatively) low yields and a large pain in the ass. Don't try it at home

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    test e is testosterone while 1 andro (1-test) very different...first off all test is king, no arguing that. If you look at the molecular structure test has a double bond at the 4 position while 1 andro, well you guessed it has it at the 1 position

    test
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    1 andro
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    the double bond is the little dash inside the first hexagon. the 1 position starts at the top of hexagon and goes to 4th position counter clockwise to 4th position at bottom of the 1st hexagon.

    the double at the 1 i believe helps it resist liver breakdown
    the compound shown above is not 1-andro. it is 1-ad.
    1-andro is 1-DHEA
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    3-hydroxy-5 alpha-androst- 1-en-17-one
    it will require a 2 step conversion to the active 1-testosterone

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rebelhead View Post
    the compound shown above is not 1-andro. it is 1-ad.
    1-andro is 1-DHEA
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    3-hydroxy-5 alpha-androst- 1-en-17-one
    it will require a 2 step conversion to the active 1-testosterone
    ur rite
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rebelhead View Post
    the compound shown above is not 1-andro. it is 1-ad.
    1-andro is 1-DHEA
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    3-hydroxy-5 alpha-androst- 1-en-17-one
    it will require a 2 step conversion to the active 1-testosterone
    Good luck with that in your garage in any appreciable yield :-p. Unfortunately any strong oxidizing/reducing agents are notoriously promiscuous and the ones that aren't don't have the greatest yields. I'll leave the chemistry up to my body.
  

  
 

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