First Test E Cycle. Thoughts?

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    First Test E Cycle. Thoughts?


    A bit of background first.

    I'll be 23 when I start the cycle
    Been training for almost two years. 4-5 days week.
    5' 10"
    128lbs first day in the gym
    172lbs As of a week ago.

    Bench: 250lbs
    Squat: 315lbs
    Deadlift: 315lbs

    Cycle will be as follows

    Week 1: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 2: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 3: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 4: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 5 250mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 6: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 7: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 8: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 9: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 10: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 11: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 12: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Two week break after last injection.......
    Week 13: 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 14: 20mg Nolva ED
    PCT.........
    Week 15: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG EOD
    Week 16: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG EOD
    Week 17: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG final shot (only once this week)
    Week 18: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED
    Week 19: 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 20: 20mg Nolva ED

    I have a VERY small amount of gyno left over from puberty. Its only a bit of fat behind the nipple and after showering its not noticeable at all. Because of that I want to make sure estrogen is under control at all times during the cycle. I'll also be seeing a doctor to get blood tests before, during, and twice after the cycle. Will fully disclose what my intentions are.

    Supplements being used
    -Liv. 52
    -Fish Oils (6 caps per day)
    -Creatine
    -Protein
    -Animal Rage Preworkout
    -Xtend BCAA
    -I can get access to Accutane if necessary
    -Saw Palmetto (blood pressure)

    Diet is well in check. 2-3 protein shakes a day, and 5-6 Solid meals containing carbs, fat and protein.

    Any suggestions on this cycle? My PCT came after reading the handbook "Anabolics 9th Edition"

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    Run 500mg/test per week. Don't taper up. It's a waste of good mass and won't be as fun.

    Save the Nolva for PCT.

    Run Arimidex or Aromasin on cycle. Supporting supps look good.
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    run erase for estrogen, i have the blood work the erase has AMAZING effects, even on 1000mg a week 3 caps kept me in low 30's which most ppl natrually arent at... so no point in arimadex or aromasin . keep test around 500 it is enough thought my first run was around 800
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    run erase for estrogen, i have the blood work the erase has AMAZING effects, even on 1000mg a week 3 caps kept me in low 30's which most ppl natrually arent at... so no point in arimadex or aromasin . keep test around 500 it is enough thought my first run was around 800
    Looks interesting. And if it can be as effective as a pharmaceutical... Might be something to consider. I'll have to do some research to feel safe with it. Thanks for the reply!
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    trust me man erase is safer then aromasin and arimadex like always its advice mann u can spend $$$$$ on those AI's or 30$ on something with no sides and guarenteed to work. also for pct us nolva and clomid and maybe some hcg last 6-8 wks of ur cycle at around 250-500/ wk
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    Run adex instead of erase. Run .25/.5 eod or e3d depending on how your body reacts . I would run hcg after the first week of your cycle. It's actually better to use during then in your pct. Save the prework out for pct - you'll need it then definitely use 500 throughout the 12 weeks. Good luck!
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    4-500mg per wk, pin mon/thur or sun/wed....
    low dose AI while on test after a couple wks. adex .25 EOD or aromasin 6mg ED, erase will work too but i prefer real AI's

    nolva for pct, starting 12-14 days after last pin
    40/30/20/10
    Low dose AI after the nolva is done to prevent any rebound



    keep things very simple, supports look good although i would go 9-10 caps fish oil ED and toss in hawthorn berry for BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadMapFire View Post
    A bit of background first.

    I'll be 23 when I start the cycle
    Been training for almost two years. 4-5 days week.
    5' 10"
    128lbs first day in the gym
    172lbs As of a week ago.

    Bench: 250lbs
    Squat: 315lbs
    Deadlift: 315lbs

    Cycle will be as follows

    Week 1: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 2: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 3: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 4: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 5 250mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 6: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 7: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 8: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 9: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 10: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 11: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 12: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Two week break after last injection.......
    Week 13: 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 14: 20mg Nolva ED
    PCT.........
    Week 15: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG EOD
    Week 16: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG EOD
    Week 17: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG final shot (only once this week)
    Week 18: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED
    Week 19: 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 20: 20mg Nolva ED

    I have a VERY small amount of gyno left over from puberty. Its only a bit of fat behind the nipple and after showering its not noticeable at all. Because of that I want to make sure estrogen is under control at all times during the cycle. I'll also be seeing a doctor to get blood tests before, during, and twice after the cycle. Will fully disclose what my intentions are.

    Supplements being used
    -Liv. 52
    -Fish Oils (6 caps per day)
    -Creatine
    -Protein
    -Animal Rage Preworkout
    -Xtend BCAA
    -I can get access to Accutane if necessary
    -Saw Palmetto (blood pressure)

    Diet is well in check. 2-3 protein shakes a day, and 5-6 Solid meals containing carbs, fat and protein.

    Any suggestions on this cycle? My PCT came after reading the handbook "Anabolics 9th Edition"
    youll get a bunch of different recommendations but heres mine.
    -like ithers said dont taper up the test just go 500 thru
    -if running clomid and nolva run them together not staggered and no reason to run nolva 8 weeks. clomid 50mg/day not 100. you can go 100 for the first couple days
    -Good God man. NO hcg in pct. please read what hcg does and then youll understabnd why you dont use it in pct
    -as for ai on cycle. i prefer aromasin
    Noob looking for alot of guidance
    I've got a hold of some omnadren 250(is sustanon better?) and I'm pretty much clueless about steroids. All i know about it is that it easily aromatizes and it holds alot of water
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadMapFire View Post
    A bit of background first.

    I'll be 23 when I start the cycle
    Been training for almost two years. 4-5 days week.
    5' 10"
    128lbs first day in the gym
    172lbs As of a week ago.

    Bench: 250lbs
    Squat: 315lbs
    Deadlift: 315lbs

    Cycle will be as follows

    Week 1: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 2: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 3: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 4: 250mg Test E, Nolva 20mg ED
    Week 5 250mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 6: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 7: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 8: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 9: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 10: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 11: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 12: 500mg Test E, 20mg Nolva ED
    Two week break after last injection.......
    Week 13: 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 14: 20mg Nolva ED
    PCT.........
    Week 15: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG EOD
    Week 16: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG EOD
    Week 17: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED, 2500IU HCG final shot (only once this week)
    Week 18: 20mg Nolva ED, 50mg Clomid x2 ED
    Week 19: 20mg Nolva ED
    Week 20: 20mg Nolva ED

    I have a VERY small amount of gyno left over from puberty. Its only a bit of fat behind the nipple and after showering its not noticeable at all. Because of that I want to make sure estrogen is under control at all times during the cycle. I'll also be seeing a doctor to get blood tests before, during, and twice after the cycle. Will fully disclose what my intentions are.

    Supplements being used
    -Liv. 52
    -Fish Oils (6 caps per day)
    -Creatine
    -Protein
    -Animal Rage Preworkout
    -Xtend BCAA
    -I can get access to Accutane if necessary
    -Saw Palmetto (blood pressure)

    Diet is well in check. 2-3 protein shakes a day, and 5-6 Solid meals containing carbs, fat and protein.

    Any suggestions on this cycle? My PCT came after reading the handbook "Anabolics 9th Edition"
    -Don't taper up, keep the dose at 500mg/week the entire time
    -No nolva in the the 2 weeks after you're last injection
    -No HCG during PCT, use on cycle starting in week 3-4
    -Don't use Nolva as an on-cycle anti-e. Go with Aromasin and start at 12.5mg EOD and figure out if you need more or less. You'll have to play around with the dosage to figure out exactly how much you need. Might need to only do 12.5mg E3D or you might need to increase the dosage to 12.5mg ED.
    -Supports look good, go with Krill Oil over fish oil though. Smaller pills, more bioavailable, additional antioxidents
    -Possibly throw in an oral to kick off the cycle. Superdrol or Epistane
    -If not using an oral, don't bother with liv 52, you don't need it
    Cutting all summer, cycle in September
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldx View Post
    Cycles are confusing!
    not so with a little researching. which this guy obviously did none as evidenced by his cycle layout. just glad he asked first before running that train wreck.
    Noob looking for alot of guidance
    I've got a hold of some omnadren 250(is sustanon better?) and I'm pretty much clueless about steroids. All i know about it is that it easily aromatizes and it holds alot of water
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    Yh i guess i mean iknow afew things but ima do a h drol cycle insted if ya could any help me out please as i do not want to wreck tbis thred thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    trust me man erase is safer then aromasin and arimadex like always its advice mann u can spend $$$$$ on those AI's or 30$ on something with no sides and guarenteed to work. also for pct us nolva and clomid and maybe some hcg last 6-8 wks of ur cycle at around 250-500/ wk
    You need a new source man. I've never paid more than $25 for adex or aromasin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt339 View Post
    You need a new source man. I've never paid more than $25 for adex or aromasin.
    That price for adex is normal, never really seen aromasin that cheap.
    Cutting all summer, cycle in September
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    -Aromasin is what I'm using for my AI on cycle. Start at 12.5mgs eod starting the 3rd week and adjust from there.

    HCG is used ON cycle, NOT PCT! 250iu's bi-weekly finishing on your last test pin. HCG keeps your brain sending a message to your testes telling them to continue working, keeping your balls and sack fuller. It aids in quicker recovery. Starting it during PCT is a "no no" and old school thinking. I pin my HCG bi-weekly the day before I pin my test/deca solution, as recommended by Ambulldog ^^^ an excellent and knowledgeable source. PM him with any questions you have. He knows his material. Go to his page and look at all the positive comments people leave him. HCG is pinned like insulin; subcutaneous in the stomach. I use a 28g 1/2" needle. REFRIGERATE it after mixing!

    -Don't run nolva during your cycle, especially not for an AI. Use arimidex or aromasin, NOT erase. Erase is used during PCT for estrogen rebound as your body tries to balance out your test and estrogen levels. Erase keeps estrogen from blowing up during PCT.

    -Use clomid as your solo SERM during PCT. Clomid and nolva do not create synergy together. Nolva is more old school, but clomid is very good at kick starting your body back into proper production. 100mgs days (PCT) 1-3, 50mgs for 2 weeks, 25mgs for 2 weeks.


    -Hawthorn berry would be smart to get on along with your saw palmeto. Good multi-vit 2-3 times a day!

    -Don't start your PCT until 2 weeks after your last test injection.

    -Good idea to jump on a test booster during your PCT as well to help aid your libido.
  

  
 

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