Short cycles, some thoughts
03-19-2005 06:32 PM
the triumph of the grill
Heh, Fort Dodge. That's my home town.
Originally Posted by blown_stang
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03-19-2005 06:46 PM
Thanks for the reply size...those numbers look good. I am going for a recomp/lean mass cycle out of this...would u add any orals to this, I was thinking about winny but I dont know if I want to deal with the joint pain.
Originally Posted by size
03-19-2005 08:23 PM
Adding an oral is fine if you want to but it is not needed. Oxandrolone would be the #1 choice in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Manu20
03-20-2005 01:45 PM
I thought the idea of short cycles was to blast, and get in and out without too much damage to your HTPA.
I just did two short cycles, one 15 days and one 30 days.
The 15 day one went much better then the 30 day one IMO because I had literally no crash post cycle, and that was my main reason for doing short cycles. When I did the 30 day one, I was depressed and lost interest in eating and training, and to me thats what I was trying to avoid. I ended up losing all my gains on both cycles because of this.
However, the 15 day cycle allowed me to gain 4-5lbs that I was easily able to hold on to, and thats what im after.
03-20-2005 02:02 PM
What were the cycles of?
Originally Posted by theseus
03-20-2005 02:21 PM
Test Prop :150mg/ed
Dianabol : 50mg/ed
Nolva PCT : 40/40/20/20
03-20-2005 02:42 PM
03-30-2005 05:39 PM
Just an update. Ive been off for about a month now since my last blast of 4 weeks on, and I found that its still too much. Ive tried (2) longer cycles of 8 weeks, and I crash with depression/anxiety lack of motivation etc with each one. So im going to be experimenting with day amounts until I hit the right amount of time for me. This one will be 17days on cycle. I have done a short 14 day one in the past, and I experieced NO crash whatsoever post cycle. Not even a drop in strength, and maybe only a loss of 1-2lbs post cycle. BUt I was taking dbol, so there ya go.
Im 240 10% @ 5'10'' 21 years old. I will be getting my BF hydro tested in 2-3 weeks in lab, so I can be more specific then.
Ill be taking 200mg B-6 ed
Day 1-3: Tren Ace 100mg NPP 100mg
Day 4-11: Tren Ace 100mg NPP 100mg Winny 100mg
Day 12-17: Tren Ace 75mg NPP 75mg Winny 50mg
Day 18-23: 50mg Nolva
Day 24-30: 40mg Nolva
Day 31-40: 25mg nolva
Day 40-xx: Off everything until I feel fully recovered. At least 10 days
I will more then likely run 80mg of IGF from day 5-35 as well to help with recovery.
Should I bother with femera during my cycle, because estrogen doesnt seem like it would be an issue at only 2 weeks.
03-30-2005 05:53 PM
Do you use HCG? I would say if you have such massive problems with recovery and you're using HCG you might try using androgens to assist cutting rather than for putting on size, that would probably be more useful. Just do 2 weeks on and cut pretty hard, one month off like you have planned where you eat hypercalorically (just keep it clean and don't overdo it).
Originally Posted by theseus
03-30-2005 08:38 PM
I think you should run your cycles in anabolic/androgenic phases, doing this has allowed me to run 30-40days cycles with very little shutdown and minimal PCT blues
11-03-2005 01:26 PM
Thought I would bring this back up b/c I have gotten a fair amount of positive feedback from utilizing this approach. Numerous experienced guys have contacted me detailing good gains and a much better overall physical feeling especially when entering, during, and after post cycle.
For those of you who have not read this thread, I encourage you to do so.
11-04-2005 03:51 PM
yea size I am starting to put this theory to work this year....at least in 2006.....especially for bulking cycles..since I stop growing around week 6 anyways.....although I believe cutting cycles should be longer..thats why this summer I will run an eq/test/m4ohn cutter all at low doses with strict diet! good info here bros
11-04-2005 06:26 PM
Size you know I love these cycles and I've had great success with them. Anyone who wants some solid gains, avoid sides and very easy PCT's these cycles are for you.
11-04-2005 09:17 PM
Everyone has been on an ALR bashing streak b/c of the Methoxy TRN, so I think it is important that we consider the fact that while I doubt ALR invented the idea of short cycles, he has exhaustively laid them out and is a huge proponent. One of his main reasons for this is health benefits.
11-04-2005 10:29 PM
Yeah, I agree. And for what it's worth, I hear that the couple of people I know who tried the MethloxyTRN loved it.
Ya always get bashed when you're on top is how I see it. I mean, who believes RSOC --- I mean BK --- anyway?
11-06-2005 08:28 PM
What role if any would deca or eq play in a short cycle of around 6 weeks?
11-06-2005 08:34 PM
eq and deca wouldnt play a role at all.....unless you use bold prop or NPP
11-06-2005 11:58 PM
Sure it could. Just megadose the **** out of them the first 2 weeks, get what they offer while active, and then they clear. But yes, NPP is a much better option. And there's no short-estered bold that won't make you sorry you bought it. It all hurts if it's real.
11-11-2005 10:51 AM
Ok guys, couldnt enjoy a thread more and its for sure worth trying and i will in 3 weeks time, but the only thing i have access to is test e. (besides deca which i dont prefer).
i was wondering if a 4 weeks cycle of test e. would be good especially if i front load at first week with 1000-1500 mg ??
your thoughts and advise will be highly appreciated.
11-11-2005 12:49 PM
You can use a longer acting ester but it my mind it is just not preferred.
Originally Posted by Mess
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