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    Incorporating Erase into PCT


    I am making this thread since it is a question I answer in PM almost every day on multiple forums.

    No matter what your PCT is, I highly suggest adding in a suicide aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Erase. This is how I would do it:

    Complete Over The Counter PCT:

    For estrogen and cortisol control in PCT and getting your natural levels back to normal

    Week 1: 75mg Erase + Test booster
    Week 2: 75mg Erase + Test booster
    Week 3: 75mg Erase + Test booster
    Week 4: 75mg Erase + Test booster

    You should never use two aromatase inhibitors together. But aromatase inhibitors can be used with other estrogen reducing products that would through other mechanisms. This is how you would incorporate Erase into those PCTs:

    Week 1 of PCT: 1 cap Erase per day for cortisol control and mild estrogen control + Others
    Week 2 of PCT: 1 cap Erase per day for cortisol control and mild estrogen control + Others
    Week 3 of PCT: 3 caps Erase per day for cortisol and Estrogen control + Others
    Week 4 of PCT: 3 caps Erase per day for cortisol and Estrogen control + Others
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    Assuming someone is using a SERM I don't think an AI is needed nor Erase needed at 75mg/day (Erase is some potent sh*t).

    I personally would use it after the SERM and I think EVERYONE should add an AI post-SERM.

    Using a SERM raises estrogen and when you come off the SERM you have nothing to protect you from all that estrogen--except Erase
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    Its really all personal preference based on ones opinions of proper PCT. Some prefer one rationale vs another, although neither is "perfect".

    Its my opinion that the positive impact on gonadotropin levels and SHBG that an AI induces makes them desirable enough in a post cycle environment. Erase also has the added ability to handle elevated cortisol, which is another hormone that can wreak havoc in the post cycle state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk
    Assuming someone is using a SERM I don't think an AI is needed nor Erase needed at 75mg/day (Erase is some potent sh*t).

    I personally would use it after the SERM and I think EVERYONE should add an AI post-SERM.

    Using a SERM raises estrogen and when you come off the SERM you have nothing to protect you from all that estrogen--except Erase
    So after running a typical SERM/test booster/cort control PCT, you'd suggest running the AI for 4 weeks for kinda like a "second half" of PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by radiodude View Post
    So after running a typical SERM/test booster/cort control PCT, you'd suggest running the AI for 4 weeks for kinda like a "second half" of PCT?
    Thats what he is suggesting. SERMs and AIs work under two separate mechanisms though
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Its really all personal preference based on ones opinions of proper PCT. Some prefer one rationale vs another, although neither is "perfect".

    Its my opinion that the positive impact on gonadotropin levels and SHBG that an AI induces makes them desirable enough in a post cycle environment. Erase also has the added ability to handle elevated cortisol, which is another hormone that can wreak havoc in the post cycle state.
    In regards to how to run steroids and PCT's I agree it is all personal preferences.

    Quote Originally Posted by radiodude View Post
    So after running a typical SERM/test booster/cort control PCT, you'd suggest running the AI for 4 weeks for kinda like a "second half" of PCT?
    Exactly.

    Your testosterone levels are going to decline a little bit after stopping the SERM and your estrogen levels will have built up while using the SERM. So chances of having a skewed Test/estrogen ratio post-SERM are decent and if they are skewed, chances of developing gyno are high. Introducing Erase post-SERM will keep your Test/estro ratio in a good range with chances of developing gyno almost non-existent.

    You can use it during PCT like they are saying as well. I don't for my own reasons as you can reap most of the benefits of estrogen without the negatives when you're using a SERM.
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    ok so if i came of a epi cycle for 6 weeks or a basic PH cycle, how would you run erase, (natty i know we discus this before but i dont want any rebound)
    nolva
    nolva
    40/30/20/10
    DAA
    3g/3g/3g/3g-----normal dosing
    HCGenerate or Anabeta
    5/5/5/5------------5 a day til the bottles gone
    Vit C for cort control
    4000mg, 2000mg 1st thing AM, 2000mg 4-6pm for 45days
    ERASE
    2/2/2/2/2/2 -------2 caps a day for 45 days

    my question is should i just run erase at 1 cap a day for 4 weeks since i will be doing a mega dose of vit c to help with cort control,
    and at week 5 up it to 3 caps a day and stop using vit c?
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    You could, or you just just start it at week 3 at full dose. Going to take a few days to build up in your system
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    You could, or you just just start it at week 3 at full dose. Going to take a few days to build up in your system
    so at week 3 stop the vit c and run erase at 3 caps a day for 4 weeks? like the following?

    Erase 0/0/3/3/3/3
    vit c 4000mg/4000mg/0/0/0

    but for the first 2 weeks i wont have any estrogen control?
    i also plan to run formastanzol on cycle
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    Your nolva is estrogen control. The goal would be when you hit the 20mg dose, thats when you start the Erase at 3 caps, for 4 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Your nolva is estrogen control. The goal would be when you hit the 20mg dose, thats when you start the Erase at 3 caps, for 4 weeks
    duh i forgot about that, gonna give this a go
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    Well, MY personal plan that I was thinking for the PCT was to go

    Nolva: 20/10/10/10
    Erase: 2 caps / 2 / 2/ 2 / 3 / 3.

    To get the rebound out once I quit the Nolva. Please correct me if that's not a good one.
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    Wats up? Saw this thread and wanted to ask a question as I too was advised to add erase and DAA to my pct, this is a basic layout of my pct: tomax 20/20/10/10
    Pct wk 7/8 tomax 20 ml

    Tomax 10ml morning 6 am
    Lean extreme 7am
    Tribulus
    Multi vitamin
    life support 8 am
    Activate xtreme
    Post cycle support
    Lean Xtreme 11 am
    Tribulus
    Activate xtreme 1am
    Tribulus 4pm
    Life support
    Tribulus 8:30pm
    Post cycle support
    Tomax 10ml night 10pm
    Fish oil w bf, lunch, dinner

    Pct wk9/10 tomax 10ml

    Tomax 10ml morning 6 am
    Lean extreme 7am
    Tribulus
    Multi vitamin
    life support 8 am
    Activate xtreme
    Post cycle support
    Lean Xtreme 11 am
    Tribulus
    Activate xtreme 1am
    Tribulus 4pm
    Life support
    Tribulus 8:30pm
    Post cycle support
    Fish oil w bf, lunch, dinner

    I've seen ppl dosing tomax at 40/20/10/10 should I also do this?
    And also is my pct too complicated? Can I just add erase and DAA to pct or should something come out ?because someone earlier mentioned not having 2 AI's in your pct! Chocolate milk or any body can answer. Grom what I've read here so far I just add the erase toward lower end of seem dosing correct? And the DAA can be started at beginning of pct?
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    The last two questions I will refer to Natty or Kevin. I do not use research chemicals or pharmaceuticals so would prefer not to comment and risk giving you poor information. I wouldn't even know where to start on SERM doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddydee View Post
    Wats up? Saw this thread and wanted to ask a question as I too was advised to add erase and DAA to my pct, this is a basic layout of my pct: tomax 20/20/10/10
    Pct wk 7/8 tomax 20 ml

    Tomax 10ml morning 6 am
    Lean extreme 7am
    Tribulus
    Multi vitamin
    life support 8 am
    Activate xtreme
    Post cycle support
    Lean Xtreme 11 am
    Tribulus
    Activate xtreme 1am
    Tribulus 4pm
    Life support
    Tribulus 8:30pm
    Post cycle support
    Tomax 10ml night 10pm
    Fish oil w bf, lunch, dinner

    Pct wk9/10 tomax 10ml

    Tomax 10ml morning 6 am
    Lean extreme 7am
    Tribulus
    Multi vitamin
    life support 8 am
    Activate xtreme
    Post cycle support
    Lean Xtreme 11 am
    Tribulus
    Activate xtreme 1am
    Tribulus 4pm
    Life support
    Tribulus 8:30pm
    Post cycle support
    Fish oil w bf, lunch, dinner

    I've seen ppl dosing tomax at 40/20/10/10 should I also do this?
    And also is my pct too complicated? Can I just add erase and DAA to pct or should something come out ?because someone earlier mentioned not having 2 AI's in your pct! Chocolate milk or any body can answer. Grom what I've read here so far I just add the erase toward lower end of seem dosing correct? And the DAA can be started at beginning of pct?
    Whats your cycle?

    Any PCT can favor from DAA/Erase being included, this particular layout being no exception. Some peoples rationale is to dose an AI inverse to that of a SERM, so that when less receptors are being occupied less estrogen is being produced. I've not noticed much difference in this regard however, so i feel that dosing Erase 3/3/3/3 with a typical PCT will provide all the benefit needed.

    Dont forget that due to its structure it will work towards handling cortisol levels, so you may want to lower your lean extreme dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Well, MY personal plan that I was thinking for the PCT was to go

    Nolva: 20/10/10/10
    Erase: 2 caps / 2 / 2/ 2 / 3 / 3.

    To get the rebound out once I quit the Nolva. Please correct me if that's not a good one.
    Erase used with any PCT at bottle recommendations will work well towards reducing estrogen, so rebound should not be an issue.

    Its not just high estrogen thats causing a problem here either, its the androgen:estrogen balance. After four weeks from cycle discontinuation your body has increased androgen production significantly, resulting in more over all estrogen antagonism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

    Whats your cycle?

    Any PCT can favor from DAA/Erase being included, this particular layout being no exception. Some peoples rationale is to dose an AI inverse to that of a SERM, so that when less receptors are being occupied less estrogen is being produced. I've not noticed much difference in this regard however, so i feel that dosing Erase 3/3/3/3 with a typical PCT will provide all the benefit needed.

    Dont forget that due to its structure it will work towards handling cortisol levels, so you may want to lower your lean extreme dose.
    Epi 30/40/40/40/40/40 , so all I need to do is add the DAA and erase right from the start of pct, and just lower the lean xtreme dose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddydee View Post
    Epi 30/40/40/40/40/40 , so all I need to do is add the DAA and erase right from the start of pct, and just lower the lean xtreme dose?
    Its not pertinent that you lower lean xtremes dose, but some people feel that together in concert they will hit cortisol pretty hard.

    I would probably save the lean xtreme for post PCT, its more a matrix product designed for leaning, something you shouldnt be attempting in PCT.
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    Ok I got you save the lean xtreme and just go with erase and DAA from begining of pct. Right? And the erase will be sufficient to handle cort . I kno lean xtreme shreds you and is use for cort control , is that all it's used for? I thought it was a standard part of pct. I'm not worried About shredding but do want to get rid of the cortisol . Thanks for the advice either way.
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    Thats why one would use it in PCT, yea. Theres lots of options for cortisol control
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    ThAnks, I understand. I'll just hold onto it until after pct. Add erase to pct instead.
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    New pct : Pct wk 7/8 tomax 40 ml

    Tomax 20ml morning 6 am
    DAA 7am
    Erase
    Multi vitamin
    life support 8 am
    Activate xtreme
    Erase 11am
    Post cycle support
    Activate xtreme 1am
    4pm Life support
    Erase
    8:30pm Post cycle support
    Tomax 20ml night 10pm
    Fish oil w bf, lunch, dinner

    Pct wk9/10 tomax 20ml

    Tomax 20ml morning 6 am
    DAA 7am
    Erase
    Multi vitamin
    life support 8 am
    Activate xtreme
    Post cycle support
    erase 11 am
    Activate xtreme 1am
    4pm Life support
    Erase
    8:30pm Post cycle support
    Fish oil w bf, lunch, dinner

    Old pct was 20/20/10/10
    New pct is 40/40/20/20 is this better or stick with 20/20/10/10 ?
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    Thanx but should I dose serm 40/40/20/20 or 20/20/10/10? most common is 20/20/10/10 but I've seen ppl dosing 40/40/20/20 on this forum
    And I'm gonna swap out the erase for formastane. Or are they the same thing ? Because I'd rather get the erase caps.
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    40/40/20/20 or 20/20/10/10
    and is erase and formastane the same thing? Need to know so I can put an order in today!
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    Erase is a stronger AI than formestane, and you dont have to wipe it on your skin, so go with Erase.

    20/20/10/10 vs 40/40/20/20 is based on the suppressiveness of your cycle. Since you were just on epi i would opt for the lower dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster
    Erase is a stronger AI than formestane, and you dont have to wipe it on your skin, so go with Erase.

    20/20/10/10 vs 40/40/20/20 is based on the suppressiveness of your cycle. Since you were just on epi i would opt for the lower dose
    ThAnks alot natty!, I'm gonna order the erase in a min. , and I just use it throughout the whole pct correct ? 3/3/3/3 ?
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