What causes Lethergy while on M-1-T
- 08-11-2004, 05:10 PM
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08-11-2004, 05:22 PM
08-11-2004, 05:27 PM
Bump.....Npursuit or Bobo..maybe you guys can help!Originally Posted by diamonddave
My thinking is if we can determine what causes this phenomena,maybe we can counteract it with something else..
4AD is a good example,its not a cure for the lethergy but it seems to help..
OH OH the MaDmaN is thinking again look out
08-11-2004, 06:04 PM
Well there's lots of theories about M1T lethargy but nothing concrete. From SS's et al blood work we've seen factors like
1. Total testicular shutdown in as little as 48 hours
2. Persistent low blood sugar while on
3. Severe dip in cholesterol levels
4. Elevation of liver values
Personally, I think factors 1 and 2 are the most pertinent to the lethargy problem. I say this because anecdotally I used M1T about 4-5 times and used it differently every time. M1T solo cycles had the most severe sides, no doubt about it. M1T and 4AD cycles were a little less severe. M1t + 4AD and upping the amount of carbs consumed at every meal helped to alleviate most of the sides.
But the real winner has been M1T stacked with 4AD and daily 100iu HCG shots plus a lot of carbs/fat with every meal. I did this for my latest cycle and sides were pretty much non-existent, in fact I felt pretty damned good. I did gain a little fat with it but nothing terrible. The only side I felt was lurking was high blood pressure. Next time I'll add hawthorne, alliin/allicin and maybe arjuna...but I can only take so many more supps, lol.
Also, keep the M1T dose as low as possible. Fortunately, I do well on 5-10mg ed.
08-11-2004, 06:41 PM
08-11-2004, 09:38 PM
10-16-2004, 07:38 PM
Isn't the lower back pain caused by the water retention? Think of when a woman is going through PMS/Period and they have lower back pain. Just a thought. Not quite sure.
10-17-2004, 01:21 AM
10-18-2004, 10:17 AM
Does it seem like the M4OHN keeps the sides down, similar to 4ad?Originally Posted by Skark
Maybe even better?
10-19-2004, 02:11 AM
Skark - whats your dose of M4OHN?
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10-19-2004, 06:40 PM
If you guys are really that worried about Lethargy, maybe you should try running M1T with Methyl-4ad.
Although Methyl-4ad is extremely estrogenic, it will have all the mental and sexual boosting effects of Testosterone.
1mg of Letrozole has been shown in numerous studies to eliminate something like 95% of all estrogen in the body.
Maybe there is finally a use for Methyl-4ad, when combined with M1T and Letrozole.
10-19-2004, 07:00 PM
Yeah, but then you've got two methyls together, one of them M1T. Not a great idea I would think. Not necessarily bad, but you never know is the problem. I'd stick with a 4 AD or 4 OHT transdermal. Or, perhaps better yet, just get some test eth or cyp ifyou can. Maybe even Sustanon. Not that great for a cycle by itself, but to counter M1T sides it might be just the thing.Originally Posted by TheTom
10-19-2004, 07:32 PM
lethargy sucks I mean sucks bad bad bad. I am doing 15mg/ed along with 500mg/wk of 4ad. The 4ad is IM. Still the lethargy sucks. I am goign to just start taking it all right before bed and I need some hcg as soon as I find some I am goign to hop on it.
10-19-2004, 08:39 PM
M4D isn't as bad as M1t but its still harsh enough that wouldn't stack it with even MOHN.Originally Posted by CDB
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