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    Nolvadex/Clomid CAUSES Cancer?


    Okay, so i was looking through some threads on another board, and i saw a thread with a similar question, opened it up, holy ****, I NEVER KNEW that you could get Cancer from (MAINLY Nolvadex, but saw somewhere else where you could develop it from Clomid) Nolvadex or Clomid. It was like a 1/1000 chance or something.

    Anybody here ever uhhh, you know, developed the big C from a Research Chem? Or, you know anybody?
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    These research chems were made to COMBAT breast cancer, I don't see why they would CREATE cancer...Don't believe all the crap you read on the internet.
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    I've seen things suggesting it would accelerate cancer, but the cases in which it is related to this the patient already had cancer. So no i don't think it will cause cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBSNW1 View Post
    These research chems were made to COMBAT breast cancer, I don't see why they would CREATE cancer...Don't believe all the crap you read on the internet.
    It's made for WOMEN WITH cancer, not for MEN WITHOUT cancer. I could clearly see how it would casue cancer. When i said threads im talking about like 6 or 7 different threads, and most of them posted studies of how like 1 in 7 rats got testicular cancer over like a 3 month period on nolvadex. Once i round up all the info and studies i'll post em in a minute.



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    Liver Cancer and Liver Disease
    Tamoxifen is toxic to the liver and can cause acute hepatitis. The latest human studies show a six-fold increase in liver cancer among women taking tamoxifen for more than 2 years.9 Liver failure and tamoxifen-induced hepatitis, although rare, have been reported. While Zeneca, the manufacturer of tamoxifen admits that it is a liver carcinogen, it still continues to aggressively promote its use.

    Uterine (Endometrial) Cancer
    Uterine growths such as polyps, tumors, endometrial thickenings and cancers occur in a significant number of women. One study detected abnormal endometrial cells in subjects the day after the first tablet was taken!10

    In a recent study, precancerous uterine and endometrial changes were seen in 10% of the women taking tamoxifen. The higher the dose of tamoxifen, and the longer it is taken, the greater the risk of changes. Women taking the standard dose for two years run the risk of uterine cancer that is 2 to 3 times greater than normal. After five years the risk is 6 to 8 times greater than normal.11

    In February 1996 a review composed of scientists from various countries concluded "that there is sufficient evidence to regard tamoxifen as a human carcinogen that increases a woman's risk of developing.... cancer of the endometrium, the inner lining of the uterus."12

    When the news came out reporting that breast cancer patients who take tamoxifen for five years or longer might have triple the risk of uterine cancer13, many researcher said that "it's no big deal" since early detection of endometrial cancer rarely results in death. That statement infuriated critics who noted that the treatment for uterine cancer is a hysterectomy. However, now it is known that breast cancer patients who develop uterine cancer while using tamoxifen are likely to have a fast moving, lethal form of the disease.14

    In September 2000, The Lancet reported a study which showed that the drug tamoxifen, often used to treat breast cancer and as a preventive in some high risk women as well, increased the risk of developing endometrial cancer. In addition, this risk increased with time, leading researchers to question the use of the drug in healthy women. It found that women who took tamoxifen for 2 to 5 years had twice the risk of the cancer as women who have not taken it. Women who had taken it for 5 years or more have a seven times higher risk of endometrial cancer. The total increased risk for all women who used tamoxifen at all was 50%. Advanced endometrial cancers were more common in women who had taken tamoxifen long-term than in those who had not. The 3-year survival for endometrial cancer was "significantly worse" for long-term tamoxifen users.

    Gastrointestinal Cancer

    It also should be noted that tamoxifen has also been associated with gastrointestinal cancers.
    The premise for taking tamoxifen is its supposed role in protecting breast cancer patients from its recurrence. However, the benefits of tamoxifen are limited. Virtually all women who take it become resistant within five years. It was postulated that it prevented breast cancer from occurring in the opposite breast, known as contralateral cancer. However, disturbing findings continue to surface challenging tamoxifen's effectiveness. In 1992, the New England Journal of Medicine showed that tamoxifen may reduce the incidence of contralateral cancer but only in premenopausal women and only in three of eight trials. In another 1992 study, tamoxifen not only failed to reduce contralateral cancers in premenopausal women, it actually increased their incidence.15

    The shocking truth about tamoxifen's effect on breast cancer, appeared in a recent study published in the journal, Science in July 1999. Researchers acknowledged that tamoxifen eventually loses its effectiveness and then may actually help some cancers to grow. Their clinical experience revealed that after only two to five years, tamoxifen's supposed anti-estrogen fades and estrogen-sensitive cancers begin to grow again thus increasing the risk of breast and uterine cancers!

    Heart Disease and Osteoporosis

    The promise of tamoxifen was its supposed protective benefits to the heart and bones. It was theorized that its estrogenic properties would help reduce heart disease and osteoporosis in women but, once again, the theory crumbled under the weight of hard facts. Several trials with tamoxifen failed to show that it has any effect on bone density and thus on prevention of osteoporosis. In three other trials, bone density increased slightly in lower spinal vertebra but not in longer bones or hip bones which are particularly susceptible to fractures and potentially fatal complications.

    Initial data seemed to indicate that it decreased the incidence of heart attacks. However, in January 1996, it was reported by the National Cancer Institute that tamoxifen failed to prevent heart disease in breast cancer patients.16

    Tamoxifen: A Known Carcinogen

    It wasn't long before laboratory studies showed that tamoxifen acted as a carcinogen. It binds tightly and irreversibly to DNA, the genetic blueprint of a cell causing a cancerous mutation to take place. No amount of tamoxifen is safe when it comes to carcinogenic effects.

    The irony of tamoxifen is that while widely publicized as the leading treatment for the recurrence of breast cancer, it is, in fact, a known carcinogenic substance. The World Health Organization, after reviewing the existing information about the carcinogenicity of tamoxifen, found unequivocal evidence confirming tamoxifen as human carcinogen.

    On May 16, 2000, The New York Times printed an article, "U.S.. Report Adds to List of Carcinogens". It reported that National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences listed 218 substances known or suspected to cause cancer in people. Tamoxifen was included in that list.

    It is now known that reducing caloric intake reduces estrogen levels. Recent studies find 46 percent less breast cancer among women consuming more fruit and vegetables, especially cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cabbage, and brussel sprouts. Eating organic foods, which eliminates the carcinogenic pesticides and hormones, is essential. Women interested in preventing breast cancer could make modest changes in diet and derive better and certainly safer results.20


    It is widely believed that today's drugs are tomorrow's poisons. In the case of tamoxifen, tomorrow has already arrived.

    Resources:
    The National Foundation for Alternative Medicine. 202-463-4900. Investigates and recommends successful cancer clinics worldwide. www.nfam.org.

    The Cancer Control Society: A referral service to clinics and practitioners using successful alternative cancer treatments. www.cancercontrolsociety.com.

    Optimal Health Products: Offers Cruciflax, a natural alternative to tamoxifen, which is a whole food supplement that eliminates toxic estrogen metabolites from the body. www.blisscream.com. 888-641-2547.

    Ralph Moss. Ph.D. is the author of 11 books and three documentaries exploring successful alternative cancer treatments. He researches individual reports on the most effective treatments for a particular kinds of cancer. www.ralphmoss.com. Reply Reply With Quote .
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    Do that please, I'm intrigued for sure. But then again, who runs nolvadex for 3 months? o.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBSNW1 View Post
    Do that please, I'm intrigued for sure. But then again, who runs nolvadex for 3 months? o.0
    No no no no no, other studies showed rats got testicular cancer from long term use, like a regular cycle of nolvadex, then off, then on again. pretty much the same as if you were to run cycles or AA's and then Nolvadex back to back (which some do).
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    Hmmm maybe I will switch to clomid over nolva next time
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    Overall i think Torem is the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMeatus101 View Post
    Overall i think Torem is the way to go.
    you don't think torem, being a triphenylethylene and having an incredibly similar structure to tamoxifen, will have the same ramifications as nolva or clomid?

    and none of those references say tamoxifen causes cancer. they suspect that it could be the cause. cancer is unpredictable, and a lot of times can spread. to blame it on one coefficient is ludicrous.
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    So those rats just happened to get cancer when they started putting them on Nolvadex for no reason. Its really simple. Rats on Nolvadex. 1 out of 7 get cancer. Rats off of Nolvadex. 0 out of how many ever get cancer. And i know rats aren't humans, so we will respond differently, ovarall it WAS the Nolvadex causing caner in those rats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMeatus101 View Post
    So those rats just happened to get cancer when they started putting them on Nolvadex for no reason. Its really simple. Rats on Nolvadex. 1 out of 7 get cancer. Rats off of Nolvadex. 0 out of how many ever get cancer. And i know rats aren't humans, so we will respond differently, ovarall it WAS the Nolvadex causing caner in those rats.
    1 out of 7 is hardly enough supporting evidence to suggest nolvadex causes cancer. like i said, at an extended or prolonged administration it may accelerate existing cancer. it is an effective drug for treating breast cancer, but to stay on it forever will have consequences. we should not be worrying about this, because hopefully you're not running SERMs for more than 5 weeks. this data is still ambiguous
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    In switching to OTC pct for now on!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    1 out of 7 is hardly enough supporting evidence to suggest nolvadex causes cancer. like i said, at an extended or prolonged administration it may accelerate existing cancer. it is an effective drug for treating breast cancer, but to stay on it forever will have consequences. we should not be worrying about this, because hopefully you're not running SERMs for more than 5 weeks. this data is still ambiguous
    Yes, im not saying that you'll get cancer after cycling your whole life. Is it a possibility? Yeahhhh. Is it possible that Jay Cutler uses ONLY MuscleTech Supps? Your'e Damn Right.
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    tooth paste has been linked to possibly causing cancer in a recent study.

    are you going to stop brushing your teath?

    anti persprant has been linked to possibly causing cancer, so are you going to stop wearing it?

    sun exposure has been linked to possibly cause cancer, going to stop going outside in the daytime?

    i think i've made my point.
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    Lol, like i said before, it is possible, a whole lot more possible then getting cancer from Anti-Persperant or toothpaste. i dont think 1 in 7 rats got cancer from toothpaste.
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    you could walk outside and get struck by lightning. your next breath isn't guranteed.

    you could have cancer in your future, but die from a car accident before it happens.

    estrogen has been linked to causing cancer in humans. i guess you should stay on aromatase inhibitors for the rest of your life.

    worrying about something like this is silly. there are much more important things to worry about. like me getting another bottle of andromass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    you could walk outside and get struck by lightning. your next breath isn't guranteed.

    you could have cancer in your future, but die from a car accident before it happens.

    estrogen has been linked to causing cancer in humans. i guess you should stay on aromatase inhibitors for the rest of your life.

    worrying about something like this is silly. there are much more important things to worry about. like me getting another bottle of andromass.

    Ha, bro, your blowing this wayyy out of porportion. All i said was 1 in 7 rats GOT CANCER from Nolvadex. Is your next breath gauranteed? **** no. But if you take a SERM for long periods of time your chances of having that next breath will be shortened.
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    Shut up. Stop trying to scare people with this bull****. Gtfo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ession View Post
    Shut up. Stop trying to scare people with this bull****. Gtfo.

    Bro, who the **** you tellin to shutup? why don't YOU, "GTFO" my thread, all im doing is sharing this with people who would find it interesting, thats the point of threads, to dispute, im not tryin' to scare people, cause hopefully everybody on here is ****ing grown and old enough not to be scared by something like this, unlike your little ***** ass. Lol, "Gtfo", speak like you got some sense kiddo.
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    AAS are also carcinogenic according to cancer.org...as are leather dust, saw dust, nickel, neutrons, mineral oil, alcohol, working night shifts, frying foods, nitrates, and engine exhausts...basically, everything, so I'd say if you are going to 'take the risk' of using AAS, while working at night, eating ham sandwiches, and driving with nickels in your pocket, you might as well just use the nolva.

    Yes, you are correct, Nolva is carcinogenic, but so is everything else basically...Im sure I also saw caffeine and vitamin C on a list once.
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    7 rats is a miniscule study, you know what though, im not even going to touch this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMeatus101 View Post
    Ha, bro, your blowing this wayyy out of porportion. All i said was 1 in 7 rats GOT CANCER from Nolvadex. Is your next breath gauranteed? **** no. But if you take a SERM for long periods of time your chances of having that next breath will be shortened.
    no it wont, not any more than your chances are of being struck by lightning while doing a cartwheel on a sunny day.

    i think that is what you are not getting from what im am posting. everything has a risk of causing cancer. everything.

    just like with androgenic side effects, if you got it in your dna to get cancer, you are at risk.
  

  
 

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