EddyRay
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Gentlemen,
I've had a few puzzling thoughts regarding the conjunctive use of Tren and Anadrol. I've been researching both compounds individually and have realised that if both were used together it would be difficult to prevent gynecomastia (while making full use of the positive estrogenic activity), as it seems preventative measures for one would be counterintuitive to the other. This Could mean that the sensible approach would be not to run them together. However, suffice to say, it has been done countless times before. Maybe we can shed some light on this subject. Here is what my research has taught me:
Anadrol Gyno:
"It is important to note that oxymetholone does not convert to estrogen in the body. This steroid is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, and as such cannot be aromatized. Anti-aromatase compounds such as Cytandren and Arimidex will Not effect the relative estrogenicity of this steroid. Some have suggested that the high level of estrogenic activity in oxymethelone is actually due to the drug acting as a progestin, similiar to Nandrolone. (...) There was a medical study examining the progestinal activity of Oxymethelone and it found that there was no such activity present."
- "Anabolics, 10th Edition.- William Llewellyn."
From this information we can clearly see that the most plausible approach to Anadrol induced gyno would be a small dosage of either Nolvadex or Clomid throughout. However, the use of Nolvadex while on Trenbolone is generally not advised. Anecdotally, Nolvadex is known to create problems with Progestinal Gynecomastia, although I cannot find any research to back this up. Does this mean Clomid would be the preferred preventative measure for using both compounds?
With regards to Tren and Progestinal Gyno, Dostinex or a low dosage of Letrozole is the recommended approach for prevention. However, it was my understanding that the use of these two compounds could reduce estrogen to such a degree that the effects of the Anadrol would be greatly diminished. This is due to the fact that Oxymethelone relies heavily on Estrogenic activity to provide the dramatic weight gain that it has gained a reputation for. The advantage of this being: the cushioning it provides for tendons and joints and the increased potential for nutrient delivery to muscles. Aside from this, the combination of a higher red-blood cell count and water in the muscle belly can lead to fascia-stretching pumps, yielding further potential for growth.
Water weight is often dismissed as "useless", however, to my mind it actually increases an individual's ability to make permanent gains. That is to say, in preventing water retention, less weight is lost after the cycle but less solid gains can be made as well (as the benefits of water retention are not harnessed). This is why the mindset of "water weight is dead weight" holds no substance when you really get into the nitty-gritty of it, and why longer esthered steroids are utilised for "heavy bulking cycles". I would also like to hear some opinions on the benefits of water retention. I am sure that at least one person reading this post will dismiss all supposed benefits as fallacies. I'd be curious to hear more about that. Most of my conclusions are speculation based on research.
The main question is this: Can one prevent the negative consequences of circulating Estrogen without having a negative effect on favourable water retention? If so, how?
Reps for good information and insight.
I've had a few puzzling thoughts regarding the conjunctive use of Tren and Anadrol. I've been researching both compounds individually and have realised that if both were used together it would be difficult to prevent gynecomastia (while making full use of the positive estrogenic activity), as it seems preventative measures for one would be counterintuitive to the other. This Could mean that the sensible approach would be not to run them together. However, suffice to say, it has been done countless times before. Maybe we can shed some light on this subject. Here is what my research has taught me:
Anadrol Gyno:
"It is important to note that oxymetholone does not convert to estrogen in the body. This steroid is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, and as such cannot be aromatized. Anti-aromatase compounds such as Cytandren and Arimidex will Not effect the relative estrogenicity of this steroid. Some have suggested that the high level of estrogenic activity in oxymethelone is actually due to the drug acting as a progestin, similiar to Nandrolone. (...) There was a medical study examining the progestinal activity of Oxymethelone and it found that there was no such activity present."
- "Anabolics, 10th Edition.- William Llewellyn."
From this information we can clearly see that the most plausible approach to Anadrol induced gyno would be a small dosage of either Nolvadex or Clomid throughout. However, the use of Nolvadex while on Trenbolone is generally not advised. Anecdotally, Nolvadex is known to create problems with Progestinal Gynecomastia, although I cannot find any research to back this up. Does this mean Clomid would be the preferred preventative measure for using both compounds?
With regards to Tren and Progestinal Gyno, Dostinex or a low dosage of Letrozole is the recommended approach for prevention. However, it was my understanding that the use of these two compounds could reduce estrogen to such a degree that the effects of the Anadrol would be greatly diminished. This is due to the fact that Oxymethelone relies heavily on Estrogenic activity to provide the dramatic weight gain that it has gained a reputation for. The advantage of this being: the cushioning it provides for tendons and joints and the increased potential for nutrient delivery to muscles. Aside from this, the combination of a higher red-blood cell count and water in the muscle belly can lead to fascia-stretching pumps, yielding further potential for growth.
Water weight is often dismissed as "useless", however, to my mind it actually increases an individual's ability to make permanent gains. That is to say, in preventing water retention, less weight is lost after the cycle but less solid gains can be made as well (as the benefits of water retention are not harnessed). This is why the mindset of "water weight is dead weight" holds no substance when you really get into the nitty-gritty of it, and why longer esthered steroids are utilised for "heavy bulking cycles". I would also like to hear some opinions on the benefits of water retention. I am sure that at least one person reading this post will dismiss all supposed benefits as fallacies. I'd be curious to hear more about that. Most of my conclusions are speculation based on research.
The main question is this: Can one prevent the negative consequences of circulating Estrogen without having a negative effect on favourable water retention? If so, how?
Reps for good information and insight.
