Ergopharm 1AD same as AMS and Finaflex 1AD????

[StangBanger]

I dont have it in front of me but Finaflex and AMS are 1 andro and the ergopharm is listed as something else... I dont have it in front of me now (was looking at it yesterday) but it was much longer than just 1 andro, ended with diol..

same stuff?

[EArch]

no, 1-ad is banned.

These substances in question convert to 1-ad, then to 1-test, its a two step conversion, as such they must be dosed high, often much higher than recommended on the bottle.

[StangBanger]

ok so I can get some ergopharm 1ad and its the banned but ultimately better substance.

[StangBanger]

ok so

Ergopharm 1AD = 1-androstene-3beta-17beta-diol

Ironmag 1Andro= 1-androstene-3b-Ol,17-One

different compounds?

[jbryand101b]

ergopharm 1-ad = 1-androstenediol, a direct precursor to 1-testosterone.

ams 1-ad, and clones = 1-dhea, a direct precursor to 1-androstenedione OR 1-androstenediol. (so it's 2 steps away from 1-testosterone) and is a natural metabolite of dhea.

[EasyEJL]

ok so I can get some ergopharm 1ad and its the banned but ultimately better substance.

the bigger question is can you really get ergopharm 1-ad or are you going to be ripped off.

[StangBanger]

that is a good question... I can get my hands on 2 bottles from someone I know personally who I just found out has a small army of stuff and said I am welcome to purchase what I like from it.

[EasyEJL]

hmm check on which dosing and which # of caps he had, because it was released in a few different sizes. Just to make sure you have enough for a good cycle.

[StangBanger]

he just told me how much he wants and no way... $200 a bottle... no thanks... thought I was getting a hook up.

[jbryand101b]

you can find 1-androstenediol for less than 75 dollars online.

[sabby]

If a PH like 1-ad converts to 1-testosterone, why the lowered libido side effect? I thought increased test helps libido. Do true steroids suppress libido as well?

[ManBeast]

1-testosterone is not testosterone proper I believe and doesn't interact the same.

ManBeast

[Gerbil]

It is one thing organic chem is full of a minute change in chemical composition will change the interactions severely. If you look at designer steroids you will notice that 2 atoms can change everything.

[ManBeast]

I heard from multiple sources that o-chem makes you hate life.

[Gerbil]

It does for some strange reason.

[jaydollars]

Yea looks like some UK companies make the diol version, no idea if they are legit

But original 1-ad had a lot of success, I have some still but won't take it because of the hairloss concerns

[jbryand101b]

the stuff from bismark labs (uk) has worked for some, and been bunk for others.

[Kristofer68SS]

i found some ergo 1-ad tucked away at the office.

its old though, expo is 04/07.

whats the feedback on the hairline for this product at 3 caps ED?

[EasyEJL]

i found some ergo 1-ad tucked away at the office.

its old though, expo is 04/07.

whats the feedback on the hairline for this product at 3 caps ED?

Lucky devil. It's pretty androgenic, so has some odds of hair loss