If you could pick 1 oral...

[heavylifter33]

If you had access to anything oral, and inject was out of the question, what you you chose and why? Bulking is the play here, so saying you like Anavar because of the fat shredding properties is not really gonna help.

Possibly getting in to the world of anabolics, trying to learn as much as i can. Will appreciate everyone's thoughts. A lot of the stuff i'm reading is from 2007 and crap, so looking for current thoughts.

Edit: Oh and stacking is fine too, but not with a test base, that's not possible for reasons i can't get in to.

Edit2: Forgot, i'd like to stick to non or low aromatizing compounds. A50 perks my curiosity but i don't think i should run with something like that for the first time.

 

[ReyMan]

SUPERDROL

 

[heavylifter33]

I have a host of products at my disposal, p-mag, SD, MLMG, DZine, hdrol and so forth. I've been stocking up recently, but i'm not really looking to run these. I'm more looking to take advantage of my new friend who has access to pharma grade products both oral and inj.

I do agree though, for something that can still be bought legally SD is the way to go for max effect.

 

[bodyfort]

any oral or injectable is minimal results alone. your success relies heavily on your activity and diet

 

[ReyMan]

the only other oral bulkers i can think of are dbol and anadrol. i know lots of people who have taken dbol, some with a test base and some without. the ones without a test base lost about half their gains. go ahead and try them without a test base and see how much you keep.

 

[kanakafarian]

dbol no doubt!

 

[Blergs]

I would say Tbol or Var.
but I personally would never run cycle without test in there, even if just an HRT dose.

 

[Blergs]

SD is nice also but I would nto run ti aslong as id run the var.

 

[RedwolfWV]

Dbol would be my choice.... and If I could stack it with something, it would be one of the non-methyl oral trens.

 

[DaBeast]

Sd or dbol. But I would recommend running it with a test base.why no injectables? And also that comment on only bulking no cutting orals. I believe that all depends on your diet. For example I like epi strong its a good hardener. Gd for cutting but I guarantee you if u ate alot yesypu would gain wieght. It all depends on ur diet bro.

 

[Sweekaters]

Dbol. 4 weeks of dbol in the morning coupled with DC training, 2 weeks PCT, 2 weeks off, repeat.

 

[schwellington]

DIANABOL

 

[Presa]

Best oral?? This one is so easy:

Jenna Jamison in her prime.

Wait, what exactly are we talking about???

 

[ReyMan]

Dbol. 4 weeks of dbol in the morning coupled with DC training, 2 weeks PCT, 2 weeks off, repeat.

is that even a legitimate cycle?

 

[mball52]

Best oral?? This one is so easy:

Jenna Jamison in her prime.

Wait, what exactly are we talking about???

this. hahaha

 

[heavylifter33]

Some good thoughts here, i have a lot of reps to give out.

Some of my thoughts: While i do agree that gains are predicated on diet, i also believe that certain compounds are inherantly better or worse than others at acheiving your desire. Epi as mentioned is more suited for a cut because of its estrogenic control, but of course if you're eating 2k over maintenance you'll gain weight lol. The same seems to be true for AAS use, some compounds work best for cuts, some work better for bulks.

As far as not being able to use a T base, there are two reasons. One i'm deathly afraid of needles. Two i'm going in to law enforcement and will most likely have to pass a controlled stress voice analysis test and steroid use might come up. I feel i can make myself believe that pills are fine, but injecting will red flag my brain. I'd rather not de-rail the thread with law enforcement talk.

I'm thinking i might do 4-6 weeks tbol at 60mg bridged in to 4-6 weeks 60mg var. This should allow me to hold on to most of my gains while leaning up a bit on the Var if i do it right.

 

[YYZgeddylee]

if Jenna is unavailable.... Methandrostenolone

 

[phatmike0704]

dienedione

 

[gymrat827]

oral non meth tren

 

[Outstanding]

M1T or Anavar... haven't tried Tbol yet, although I just got some

 

[Sweekaters]

is that even a legitimate cycle?

Dbol is magic, of course it is.

 

[matt352]

I like pmag...SD offers huge gains but I find them hard to hang on to. Pmag is easy and gives me great size and strength gains. Easy recovery too.

 

[hard iron]

Superduperdrol'

 

[Blergs]

is that even a legitimate cycle?

in my op: NO
its a waste

 

[Sweekaters]

in my op: NO
its a waste

Dbol is dirt cheap, and was used solo by strongmen and bodybuilders for decades. I have no idea why this myth that it does nothing on its own is so rampant.

 

[matt352]

Dbol is dirt cheap, and was used solo by strongmen and bodybuilders for decades. I have no idea why this myth that it does nothing on its own is so rampant.

Same here...I know a lot of guys that run it solo and make awesome gains. Why is it looked at as different than any other oral only cycle?

 

[Sweekaters]

Same here...I know a lot of guys that run it solo and make awesome gains. Why is it looked at as different than any other oral only cycle?

I think what happens a lot of times is someone takes dbol, notice that they get a nice pump doing ridiculous amounts of sets and reps because it increases glycogen uptake so much, and they waste their cycle doing worthless pump training instead of building any actual muscle.

 

[heavylifter33]

Ya i don't understand the hate on dbol. From the experienced AAS users i've talked to and the things i've read it seems to be "old reliable" overall. Anyone can run SD, i can do that whenever. But the opportunity to run anything i want... haha gotta jump on it. Also trying to get ahold of some iforce Bold to run with it. Should cement gains.

 

[kanakafarian]

dbol is king supreme for orals!

 

[Killerkanadia]

Wish it was legal

 

[muller]

Well, I know you don't wanna hear Anavar, but with what you describe I recommend.. anavar...

You can't use a test base, and anavar won't shut you down unless you're the odd 1 in a million case. On top of this, it gives incredible strength gains when using 50mg/day. With heavy lifting, and you will be able to lift real heavy, and eating a ton, you can practically expect 10 to 15 pounds, and this would be muscle since you won't be putting on any water weight with this compound. And not sure why, anavar gains tend to stick better than other roid options.

my 2 cents

 

[heavylifter33]

Well, I know you don't wanna hear Anavar, but with what you describe I recommend.. anavar...

You can't use a test base, and anavar won't shut you down unless you're the odd 1 in a million case. On top of this, it gives incredible strength gains when using 50mg/day. With heavy lifting, and you will be able to lift real heavy, and eating a ton, you can practically expect 10 to 15 pounds, and this would be muscle since you won't be putting on any water weight with this compound. And not sure why, anavar gains tend to stick better than other roid options.

my 2 cents

So would you agree with my 6 weeks of Dbol @ 60mg bridged to 6 weeks of Var @ 60mg?

 

[T50]

So would you agree with my 6 weeks of Dbol @ 60mg bridged to 6 weeks of Var @ 60mg?

In my opinion, this cycle is garbage. Stop being a vagina and pin if you want a cycle of this duration. Run test prop and stop taking it 3 weeks before your drug test. Go with this.

1-10 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
1-4 Dbol
5-10 Anavar

I still don't even like this cycle since there's no time in between orals but if you really want to use both but are worried about the drug test it's the only way.

 

[muller]

So would you agree with my 6 weeks of Dbol @ 60mg bridged to 6 weeks of Var @ 60mg?

Sure, if you don't mind shutdown.. I mean, I personally like getting laid. I agree with above post

 

[heavylifter33]

In my opinion, this cycle is garbage. Stop being a vagina and pin if you want a cycle of this duration. Run test prop and stop taking it 3 weeks before your drug test. Go with this.

1-10 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
1-4 Dbol
5-10 Anavar

I still don't even like this cycle since there's no time in between orals but if you really want to use both but are worried about the drug test it's the only way.

Bro, i can't inject. It's not a drug test i'm worried about it's the voice analysis. If i show up looking swole as fuk they will ask, almost all my friends are police or state police and they have warned me. If you fuk up on the job and a lawyer finds out in your background you did steroids you're fukd. Oral i can pass as i thought i was taking legal stuff, inject i can't.

Now what about not using the Test base but adding bold or something? Or possibly a current PH that i can actually buy.

 

[heavylifter33]

Sure, if you don't mind shutdown.. I mean, I personally like getting laid.

Haha so do i, but i'm committed to my job, school, and the gym. I suffer from low T so i'm used to a very low sex drive haha.

Thoughts on a compound to run in place of T base? Something i can currently buy would be preferable.

 

[DaBeast]

Hey dbol is illegal just like injectables you may fail a voice analysis either way.

 

[ReyMan]

Dbol is dirt cheap, and was used solo by strongmen and bodybuilders for decades. I have no idea why this myth that it does nothing on its own is so rampant.

people lose a lot of their gains after their cycle though. its sad when you get all yoked and then 3 weeks later back to your normal size :/

 

[kanakafarian]

people lose a lot of their gains after their cycle though. its sad when you get all yoked and then 3 weeks later back to your normal size :/

LOL If you do things right, you will not go back to your normal size after 3 weeks!

 

[RickRock13]

Its hard to compete with SD for most people

 

[muller]

Haha so do i, but i'm committed to my job, school, and the gym. I suffer from low T so i'm used to a very low sex drive haha.

Thoughts on a compound to run in place of T base? Something i can currently buy would be preferable.

Dude, you have low t? then you have no business running ANYTHING without test alongside it. Get it from your doctor if you gotta pass a test, who can say anything about u taking something for health. High testosterone leads to heart disease, but little known fact - so does low test.

you will NEVER EVER EVER EVER recover from a good oral-only cycle if your test is already hindered =\ It will aromatize (depending what u take) and you'll end up closer to being a woman than anything else.

 

[zachmanman]

Methyltrienelone

 

[Husker89]

Some good thoughts here, i have a lot of reps to give out.

Some of my thoughts: While i do agree that gains are predicated on diet, i also believe that certain compounds are inherantly better or worse than others at acheiving your desire. Epi as mentioned is more suited for a cut because of its estrogenic control, but of course if you're eating 2k over maintenance you'll gain weight lol. The same seems to be true for AAS use, some compounds work best for cuts, some work better for bulks.

As far as not being able to use a T base, there are two reasons. One i'm deathly afraid of needles. Two i'm going in to law enforcement and will most likely have to pass a controlled stress voice analysis test and steroid use might come up. I feel i can make myself believe that pills are fine, but injecting will red flag my brain. I'd rather not de-rail the thread with law enforcement talk.

I'm thinking i might do 4-6 weeks tbol at 60mg bridged in to 4-6 weeks 60mg var. This should allow me to hold on to most of my gains while leaning up a bit on the Var if i do it right.

I know tons of cops, swat, and scat team guys. Most are on juice bro.

 

[muller]

Things is they won't ask if you've taken steroids, they will say something along the lines of "Have you ever taken drugs/controlled substances, such as x y or z?" but just that mention of drugs and controlled substance can trigger that anxiety needle for you... Take the roids AFTER you pass man!!! it will fix everything for u!!! And I for real was afraid of needles too, but if you want to take roids, you'll have to get past it just so you don't ever get tempted to do some overboard oral cycle to makeup for the lack of oils.. put it in your lateral thigh or glute and you wont feel a thing until the next day, just a little tenderness.

** Try this right now; pinch around your butt, and pinch around your outter leg. Now pinch your nipples, abdomin, and bicep. The leg and butt didn't feel like a pinch at all did it? whereas the other spots you felt the quick jolt. Well thats the exact feeling you'll feel with the needle going in those spots! Everytime I'm about to inject in my leg, I pick the main area I'm looking to inject into, and pinch around until I pinched a spot I felt nothing at all.. thats where I poke and thats how its always worked out best for me. Before I figured out that trick tho, man did needles suck. But now ya know, so stay clean for now, take your polygraph, and then roid the F up man!

 

[soontobbeast]

Well, I know you don't wanna hear Anavar, but with what you describe I recommend.. anavar...

You can't use a test base, and anavar won't shut you down unless you're the odd 1 in a million case. On top of this, it gives incredible strength gains when using 50mg/day. With heavy lifting, and you will be able to lift real heavy, and eating a ton, you can practically expect 10 to 15 pounds, and this would be muscle since you won't be putting on any water weight with this compound. And not sure why, anavar gains tend to stick better than other roid options.

my 2 cents

oh look another idiot. The same idiot who thinks he can gain 55lbs of muscle in 12 weeks.

you think var is just a test booster? how can something not affect your hormones but put 10-15lbs [ of muscle? lol] on you? magic? all of these guys that say Var didn't shut them down went by '' i didn't feel shutdown''. everyone who gets bloodtests done sees they are shutdown.

its like a full time job addressing all the bullsh*t on this site.

 

[T50]

Word. Var will shut you down (to some extent). Everyone thinks it won't because there are clinical studies saying it didn't cause shutdown but people don't realize those were at like 20mg/day. 60-100mg/day on the other hand will cause some shutdown.

 

[spezzy]

Methyltrienelone

This. :banana:

 

[murman89]

Stack SD & Phera, bridge into M1T...cause **** your liver, what did it ever do for you?


:rocketwhore:

 

[muller]

oh look another idiot. The same idiot who thinks he can gain 55lbs of muscle in 12 weeks.

you think var is just a test booster? how can something not affect your hormones but put 10-15lbs [ of muscle? lol] on you? magic? all of these guys that say Var didn't shut them down went by '' i didn't feel shutdown''. everyone who gets bloodtests done sees they are shutdown.

its like a full time job addressing all the bullsh*t on this site.

Oh look, its the same ***got. He asked for an oral and wont use test.. You got something better BROSIVE?

 

[soontobbeast]

Oh look, its the same ***got. He asked for an oral and wont use test.. You got something better BROSIVE?

you misunderstood. i called you an idiot, not because of your suggestion , but because of your assertion that Var ''won't shut you down unless you're the odd 1 in a million case''.

I would vote for oral turinabol, if sourcing isn't an issue - since you're interested