Help me choose a first cycle please
- 07-18-2004, 06:16 PM
Help me choose a first cycle please
hello first a little about me. I am 22, will be close to 23 by the time i would start the cycle, and have been working out with a steady diet for the last year. worked out and played sports in HS and then let myself go.
my current stats are:
6'2" , 198lbs, 18% bf, never used any ph/aas before. my goals for this cycle would be to add some muscle mass while trying to not add any fat or bloat. I add fat easily so I want something that will hopefully help keep that from happening. I plan on doing a very clean bulk and training 5-6 days a week of MAX-OT and cardio. My long term goal is to get to about 215lbs or so and 9-11%bf and maintain that.
thank you in advance
- 07-18-2004, 06:33 PM
You probably have a good deal of newbie gains that can be made. If you definitly want to hit the PHs before they are illegal - I'd approach it this way:
Cut that body fat off (first) get down to 12 - 13% BF.
Then run 1-ad at 400mg and 4-ad at 600mg (for 30days).
6oxo or Nolvadex for your post cycle.
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- 07-18-2004, 06:38 PM
thanks for the input, i dont think i have a ton of newbie gains left in me but i did plan on bulking a couple months before hitting the PH. just want to get some ideas on what i should try first so that i can get them before the ban if that happens. i dont want to keep cutting right now because i dont really want to weigh less than i do. i started at about 230 and 30% bf. in the long run i do want to be around 12% but im tired of cutting for the last 6 months and being weak. also i just dont really want to weigh like 175. i was also thinking 1ad/4ad also but i wanted to hear from people like you.
07-18-2004, 06:47 PM
The 1ad/4ad is good stuff (my 1st cycle), if you have the money I would pick up some 1-test/4ad transdermal for a second or even third cycle after the ban.
07-18-2004, 06:51 PM
thanks for the input. sound slike this is a good first PH to do. As far as 1-test/4ad do you like S1+ or Big1?Originally Posted by cr4ytonic
07-18-2004, 07:10 PM
I'd go for M4OHN, mild for a methyl, good body comp substance (lean mass gainer/keeper).
16mg/day....4 mg four times a day
07-18-2004, 09:08 PM
i have really thought about m4ohn and do like the sound of it as a PH but i didnt know if it would be best for my first cycle and what i am trying to accomplish. i was thinking maybe more so as a second cycle to help cutOriginally Posted by Skark
07-18-2004, 09:29 PM
Get 10 grams of 1-test, Get 10 grams of 4-ad.Originally Posted by gsteclipse97
You are set.
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07-18-2004, 09:35 PM
so you recoomend 10 grams 1-test to be used in t-gel along with 10 grams of 4-ad or should i just get t4 gel?Originally Posted by Deoudes59
07-18-2004, 10:19 PM
I would do one of each (a t4 and a t-gel). The methyls are cool but 1-test is proven and works for everyone (go with the 1-ad first though to see how you react). T-gel will only hold 10 or 12 grams (there is a thread in on custom's board here), the rest will percipitate out.
I think s1+ is a good product too, I have done it once and grew great but I wish it had more test to 4ad.
07-18-2004, 10:49 PM
ok thanks to your guys feedback i have decided for sure to run a 1-ad or 1-test and 4- ad cycle for my first. now between 1-test and 1-ad which would be better for me to start with?
07-18-2004, 10:51 PM
I would start with the 1-ad, it will give you good results and you can gauge how your body reacts to PHs (the 1-ad will convert to 1-test) plus the oral is easy. If all goes well give the 1-test/4ad a go. I think it is better to get your feet wet a little before diving in.
07-19-2004, 11:26 AM
ok thanks for your input guys, anyone else wanna throw in anything? as of right now im kinda leaning more towards a 1-test/4-ad transdermal cycle that i would probably not start until like sept and run for 5-6 weeks followed by 5-6 weeks of pct
07-19-2004, 02:07 PM
ok after doing more research and price comparing this morning i am 95% sure that i am going to do a 4 week cycle of S1+.
week 1 - 10 sprays ed - 200mg 1-test/300mg 4-ad
week 2 - 15 sprays ed - 300/450
week 3 - 20 sprays ed - 400/600
week 4 - 20 sprays ed - 400/600
week 1 + 2 - 40mg nolva ed
week 3 + 4 - 20mg nolva ed
07-19-2004, 02:15 PM
on the PCT, if you are using liquid nolva you need to increase the doses. Also that is a good bit of test ed for a 1st cycle.
Here is a excerpt from something I am writing on nolva, explains dosing.
Historically, only the pills were available to bodybuilders, who followed the following 4-week scheme.
Week 1 - 40mg/day
Week 2 - 40mg/day
Week 3 - 20mg/day
Week 4 - 20mg/day
However, most users now purchase nolva in the liquid form for research purposes from sites such as www.customnutritionwarehouse.com
It is important to note that while nolvadex is available in 20mg and 40mg pills, they actually contain 15.2mg and 30.4mg of tamoxifen citrate respectively. (http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/tamox.htm).
Therefore, it is important to take take ~1.52 times the amount of tamoxifen citrate you think you need.
The following is the recommend dosing scheme, it assumes the current industry standard concentration of 20mg/ml.
Week 1 - 60mg or 3ml/day
Week 2 - 60mg or 3ml/day
Week 3 - 45mg or 2.25ml/day
Week 4 - 30mg or 1.5ml/day
(Tamoxifen Citrate- should we be taking more?)
Take each night before bedtime.
"You can take NOLVADEX with or without food." (http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/1998/17970ppi.pdf)
07-19-2004, 02:22 PM
thank you for the clarification on the nolva, i remember reading about that before and forgot, i will follow your reccomendation. yea planned on cnw.com, will have to wait until he has it back in stock again.
as far as my cycle saying thats a lot of test should i start out with this instead?
week 1 - 10 sprays ed - 200/300
week 2 - 10 sprays ed - 200/300
week 3 - 15 sprays ed - 300/450
week 4 - 15 sprays ed - 300/450
Last edited by gsteclipse97; 07-19-2004 at 02:38 PM.
07-19-2004, 02:36 PM
Yeah I would start w/ the recommended 200/300 and if you aren't getting results eat more and put on more sprays. You can always bump it up, but I would plan on not doing so (while having extra just in case).
07-19-2004, 02:45 PM
ok thanks a lot cr4ytonic. i will plan on the last cycle that i posted, i will buy 3 bottles of S1+ which will give me enough if i do decide to bump it up higher. i will also be getting 2 bottles of liquid nolva which will give me more than enough. i plan on eating around 3500 cals a day, and around a 45/40/15 split most likely.
07-19-2004, 02:50 PM
I would cut with masterdrol. He's already at 18% and 1-test with the 4-AD will bloat him a bit.
07-19-2004, 02:54 PM
i am at 18% and still cutting, and will be for about two more months before bulking. i am currently using an ecy stack along with my calorie deficit and training.Originally Posted by Lakevillethor
07-19-2004, 02:55 PM
He is bulking though while trying to minimize fat gain, not actually cutting.
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