My 5 Month Lean-Bulk Cycle

[NavyMuscle29]

Alright, i am an ameature competitive bodybuilder with 8 years of experience with different hormones and cycles. I started way to early, but nonetheless, its been a good ride. Here is my question.. i am running the following cycle after being out of the game for a couple years.. there has been alot of advancements with AI's, SERMS and PCT philosophy so i basically wanted some insight on what kind of anti-e i should use on cycle I am thinking maybee aromisin but i dunno., if my PCT looked legit, and if there were any cheaper alternatives to dostinex to prevent prolactin based sides while i am on. I am completely open to all suggestion so feel free!

Weeks 3-20
HCG 500 iu 2x week

Weeks 1-16
Sustanon 1000mg e/w

Weeks 3-13
Trenoplex 180 180mg x3 p/w

Weeks 1-4
SuperDrol 30mg ED

Weeks 8-12
T-BOL 70mgs ED

Weeks 16-20
Winstrol 50mgs ED
Test Prop 50mgs ED

Weeks 20-22 and 24-26
Clenbuterol
20/40/60/80/100/100/120120/100/100/80/60/40/20

Weeks 20-26
Mk-2866 OSTA-SARM 15mg ed
Nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20/20
Clomid 150/150/100/100/50/50
HCG 1500 iu 2x per week

 

[GLHF]

add eq at 200mg/week just for joint help?

i like the orals.

im guessing its 3 esters tren? i guess tren is a good choice to lean-bulk.



me personally. i would keep the orals the pretty much the way they are. i would run test enanthate for 16weeks, than prop for 4weeks IF a 20weeker is what i wanted. and id do something like 600mg/week EQ while on test E, and mayb week 15-19 tren ace.

or mayb

1-18 test e
1-12 EQ 600mg
8-18 tren e 4-600mg OR 8-18 Mast 4-600mg/week

or

1-20 test e
1-19 eq

 

[NavyMuscle29]

I ran that exact cycle with great results but the EQ gave me crazy anxiety... i thought i was having a heart attack so i had to drop it..... thanks for the input!

 

[MidwestBeast]

Cycles really aren't my strong suit, but my understanding was that you wanted to kill the hCG as the cycle wrapped and not use it as part of PCT (so you can actually recover). I'd also opt to not use the MK-2866 in PCT after seeing bloodwork from someone showing pretty strong suppression (though, I know plenty of other guys who have done this and enjoy it, so it's a tossup).

 

[Yaz]

Personally i don't like the cycle design, the dosages, the duration but i like the base of the PCT but still the whole plan needs many improvements - so let me make some suggestions.

Cycle:
Weeks 1-20 --> Test E. 400-600mg/week
Weeks 1-20 --> Equipose 400-800mg/week
Weeks 1-4/5 --> D-bol 20-40mg ED
Weeks 8-11/12/13 --> T-bol 30-50mg ED
Weeks 17-20 --> SD 10-30mg ED
Weeks 1-22 --> Arimidex at 0,50mg-1mg EOD OR Aromasin at 12,5-25mg ED
Weeks 13/15-22 --> HCG 500IU/week (divided in 2 doses of 250IU each)

PCT
Weeks 23-27 --> Clomid 100 | 75 | 50 | 50 | 25mg ED
Weeks 23-27 --> Nolva 40 | 30 | 20 | 20 | 10mg ED


Advice:
- Too much time running HCG, it isn't very nice drug so it's use should be limited and under specific variables.
- Too high doses/too much time when it comes to both the AAS and the SERMs.
- Start PCT 2 weeks after last injection(!)
- Trenbolone isn't a nice drug either so i generally do not recommend it - and especially for the duration, dosage and reason you want to use it.
- Winstrol is a very toxic drug both to liver and lipids, sides:ratio is like 3:1 and generally don't recommend it for any other reason than pre-contest - in your case it will do nothing if you want a lean bulk cycle.
- Don't really like & recommend Test blends and don't like switching up esters unless we are talking about pre-contest mode where the variables are different.
- The above cycle meets your goals and it's better than the one you designed both gain-wise and health-wise.
- Generally do not like and recommend long cycles and particulary this kind of long ones for many reasons - if you'd like i could design one shorter 6-10 weeks that could still produce great gains without being that much time "on", without the myostatin catching up too much, better when it comes to stick with this plan because let's face 5 months is much time to be able to hold everything together.
- The orals are spaced out evenly, it's better when it comes to health but still will produce great gains.
- I would recommend some liver/lipid protection - i can make some suggestions if you want.
- A good Test-booster will definately help in the PCT.


Tell me what you think.

 

[NavyMuscle29]

Yaz, that was an outstanding post and i appreitate your input. I personally dont favor test blends either, but i recieved 65 amps of Legit Organon Pakistan at 2 dollars a pop so i couldnt really refuse it. I loved EQ, but how did you combat the anxiety? I mean it was serious, i was running 800 a week along with 1g test, and 400 tren e/ 50mg win ed though as well... so maybee it was a little strong. Now as far as the dianabol, I have ran the dbol at 50-80mg ed with fantastic results, but it made me look very bloated.. regardless i would love to run it again but i simply cannot afford to look this way for professional reasons (cant be too obvious)........ do you believe that the armidex or aromisin would be enough to keep the bloat down? That was the main reason i favored T-Bol and Winstrol, would love to run var but i dont think it would make much of an impact with the other compounds i am running. And last question, you suggested T-Bol after the Dianabol... wouldnt running the weaker anabolic after dimish the gains? Shouldnt you run the weaker first? At least that was my original school of thought. I do see that you are running the wetter compounds first though.I am prtty dead set on the tren, i love it, and get no sides other then night sweats and agression.. but i am open to the thought of a test/eq/tren/dbol/tbol cycle if i can in fact keep the majority of the bloat down. As far as the length, lets face it, it really doesnt matter, i would be fine with running a 12 weeker and have some left over gear, but i dont know how EQ would do in only 12 weeks.

So maybee

(BTW I dont mind the EOD injections, am running liver pro throughout)

Weeks
1-12
Sust 250, EQ 200 EOD,
.5 mg Adex E/D

1-10
Trenoplex 180 EOD

Weeks 1-3
Dianabol 50mg E/D

Weeks 5-8
T-Bol 70mg E/D

Weeks 10-13
Supedrol at 30mg E/D

Weeks 14-20 (I favor longer PCT's)
Nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20/20
Clomid 150/150/100/100/50/50
HCG 1500 iu 2x per week

Weeks 14-16, 18-20
Clenbuterol
20/40/60/80/100/100/120120/100/100/80/60/40/20

What about the SARM?

 

[Yaz]

Yaz, that was an outstanding post and i appreitate your input. I personally dont favor test blends either, but i recieved 65 amps of Legit Organon Pakistan at 2 dollars a pop so i couldnt really refuse it. I loved EQ, but how did you combat the anxiety? I mean it was serious, i was running 800 a week along with 1g test, and 400 tren e/ 50mg win ed though as well... so maybee it was a little strong. Now as far as the dianabol, I have ran the dbol at 50-80mg ed with fantastic results, but it made me look very bloated.. regardless i would love to run it again but i simply cannot afford to look this way for professional reasons (cant be too obvious)........ do you believe that the armidex or aromisin would be enough to keep the bloat down? That was the main reason i favored T-Bol and Winstrol, would love to run var but i dont think it would make much of an impact with the other compounds i am running. And last question, you suggested T-Bol after the Dianabol... wouldnt running the weaker anabolic after dimish the gains? Shouldnt you run the weaker first? At least that was my original school of thought. I do see that you are running the wetter compounds first though.I am prtty dead set on the tren, i love it, and get no sides other then night sweats and agression.. but i am open to the thought of a test/eq/tren/dbol/tbol cycle if i can in fact keep the majority of the bloat down. As far as the length, lets face it, it really doesnt matter, i would be fine with running a 12 weeker and have some left over gear, but i dont know how EQ would do in only 12 weeks.

So maybee

(BTW I dont mind the EOD injections, am running liver pro throughout)

Weeks
1-12
Sust 250, EQ 200 EOD,
.5 mg Adex E/D

1-10
Trenoplex 180 EOD

Weeks 1-3
Dianabol 50mg E/D

Weeks 5-8
T-Bol 70mg E/D

Weeks 10-13
Supedrol at 30mg E/D

Weeks 14-20 (I favor longer PCT's)
Nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20/20
Clomid 150/150/100/100/50/50
HCG 1500 iu 2x per week

Weeks 14-16, 18-20
Clenbuterol
20/40/60/80/100/100/120120/100/100/80/60/40/20

What about the SARM?

- Anxiety ? Never heard anything like that about Equipoise from anyone. I'm 99,999% positive that Trenbolone gave you this anxiety. Equipoise is one of the mildest AAS in existence, both paper and real-world use can confirm this statement. But still man 400mg Tren, 1gr Test, 50mg Winstro, that's a lot ....
- As for the Test blends, many people love this so just give to a buddy or just sell it to someone - IMO always.
- 80mg of D-bol ? It's obviously you'll get bloated with this dosage - when it comes to this clean diet, no ridiculus amount of excessive calories, 4-5 times a week moderate pace cardio and moderate-high dose of AIs and you're good to go. If you still after this you think don't want to use this i would suggest simply Epistane at 20-40mg ED.
- Both Anavar and Winstrol are very toxic drugs, so i even without this in your lean bulk plan they will do nothing more than destroy your lipid profile.
- Have you ever heard that T-bol is like D-bol without the water ? It's seems very bro-scientific but it's actually true, a good amount of the gains D-bol produces are gone cuz it's mostly water and some excess glycogen retention, so imagine that T-bol will give the same gains as D-bol that will be kept at the end, mostly dry gains. And if this wasn't the case just being on a Test dose 5-6 times at least your natural production is more than enough for you to keep the gains and even make some few more. In the sample cycle i listed above except D-bol and Test all the other compounds considered "dry" gain-wise.
- I don't have much of knowledge yet when it comes to SARMs, so it would be
irresponsible from my part to advice you on this.


As far as the 2nd cycle you listed:
- I still don't like the dosage, the duration, the synchronization of the compounds and the long and heavy PCT.
- Keep in mind that Equipose is a considerably mild Anabolic and should be run at least(i mean the absolute minimum) at 400mg/week and for at least 12 weeks to see anything more than some hardness and vascularity - it's best dosing is 600-1000mg at 14+ weeks.
- Trenbolone Acetate at 180mg EOD is a lot and i mean a lot.
- To much PCT in every aspect, IMO never exceed 100mg of Clomid ED and 40mg Nolva - especially Nolva which is cytotoxic, has some impact to lipids(triglecyrides mostly) and some hepatotoxicity and duration wise 4-5 weeks. Absolutely never use HCG in PCT, because it simple cancels the whole process literally.

So considering all the above, let me make my suggestions even though i already stated what would be an ideal cycle in my opinion for your purposes:

Example 1:
Weeks 1-12 --> Sustanon 500-600mg/week
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg ED
Weeks 9-12 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 13-14 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-14 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED (maybe 1 extra week depending on the type of Sustanon)
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg ED (optional if you use T3)

Example 2:
Weeks 1-12 --> Test E. 500-600mg/week
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg ED
Weeks 9-12 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 13-14 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-14 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg ED(optional if you use T3)

Example 3:
Weeks 1-12 --> Test Prop. at 100-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg ED
Weeks 7-10 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 11-12 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-12 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg ED(optional if you use T3)

PCT (of total 4 weeks and no more):
Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100| 50 | 50 | 25mg ED
Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 20 | 20 | 10mg ED




When it comes to PCT let me point some important things about the timing:
1) If you go with Sustanon® 100 (meaning only esters on are Propionate, Phenylpropionate & isocaproate), start PCT 2 weeks after last injection.
2) If you go with Test. E start PCT 2 weeks after last injection.
3) If you go with Prop start 3 days after last injection.
4) If you go with Sustanon® 250 (meaning all the 3 esters of ®100 with the addition of decanoate ester), start PCT 3 weeks after last injection due to 20-21 days half life.

IMHO if i were you 1st choice would be the cycle with the Prop and 2nd with Enanthate.

P.S. 1) Liver/lipid protection is definately recommended, plus some BP if you have issues - can make suggestions.
2) When it comes to Clenbuterol, i don't add it in cuz it's not AAS but if you feel like using it taper up/taper out method, start from a low dose increase it ever 3 days until you reach your optimal and then taper it out exactly - dosage wise - as you did when you were tapering up. 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off is classic protocol but if you go beyond 2 weeks start ketotifen at 2-4mg ED pre-bed time until you finish your cycle.
3) Sorry for the long ass post, but you asked many things that needed much explanation :439:

 

[NavyMuscle29]

- Anxiety ? Never heard anything like that about Equipoise from anyone. I'm 99,999% positive that Trenbolone gave you this anxiety. Equipoise is one of the mildest AAS in existence, both paper and real-world use can confirm this statement. But still man 400mg Tren, 1gr Test, 50mg Winstro, that's a lot ....
- As for the Test blends, many people love this so just give to a buddy or just sell it to someone - IMO always.
- 80mg of D-bol ? It's obviously you'll get bloated with this dosage - when it comes to this clean diet, no ridiculus amount of excessive calories, 4-5 times a week moderate pace cardio and moderate-high dose of AIs and you're good to go. If you still after this you think don't want to use this i would suggest simply Epistane at 20-40mg ED.
- Both Anavar and Winstrol are very toxic drugs, so i even without this in your lean bulk plan they will do nothing more than destroy your lipid profile.
- Have you ever heard that T-bol is like D-bol without the water ? It's seems very bro-scientific but it's actually true, a good amount of the gains D-bol produces are gone cuz it's mostly water and some excess glycogen retention, so imagine that T-bol will give the same gains as D-bol that will be kept at the end, mostly dry gains. And if this wasn't the case just being on a Test dose 5-6 times at least your natural production is more than enough for you to keep the gains and even make some few more. In the sample cycle i listed above except D-bol and Test all the other compounds considered "dry" gain-wise.
- I don't have much of knowledge yet when it comes to SARMs, so it would be
irresponsible from my part to advice you on this.


As far as the 2nd cycle you listed:
- I still don't like the dosage, the duration, the synchronization of the compounds and the long and heavy PCT.
- Keep in mind that Equipose is a considerably mild Anabolic and should be run at least(i mean the absolute minimum) at 400mg/week and for at least 12 weeks to see anything more than some hardness and vascularity - it's best dosing is 600-1000mg at 14+ weeks.
- Trenbolone Acetate at 180mg EOD is a lot and i mean a lot.
- To much PCT in every aspect, IMO never exceed 100mg of Clomid ED and 40mg Nolva - especially Nolva which is cytotoxic, has some impact to lipids(triglecyrides mostly) and some hepatotoxicity and duration wise 4-5 weeks. Absolutely never use HCG in PCT, because it simple cancels the whole process literally.

So considering all the above, let me make my suggestions even though i already stated what would be an ideal cycle in my opinion for your purposes:

Example 1:
Weeks 1-12 --> Sustanon 500-600mg/week
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg ED
Weeks 9-12 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 13-14 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-14 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED (maybe 1 extra week depending on the type of Sustanon)
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg ED (optional if you use T3)

Example 2:
Weeks 1-12 --> Test E. 500-600mg/week
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg ED
Weeks 9-12 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 13-14 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-14 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg ED(optional if you use T3)

Example 3:
Weeks 1-12 --> Test Prop. at 100-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 75-125mg EOD
Weeks 1-3/4 --> SD 20-30mg ED
Weeks 7/9-12 --> T-bol 30-60mg ED
Weeks 7-10 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 11-12 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-12 --> Arimidex 0,50-1mg EOD OR Aromasin 12,5-25mg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> Bromocriptine 2,5-5mg ED OR Pramipexole at 0,15-0,50mg ED(optional if you use T3)

PCT (of total 4 weeks and no more):
Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100| 50 | 50 | 25mg ED
Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 20 | 20 | 10mg ED




When it comes to PCT let me point some important things about the timing:
1) If you go with Sustanon® 100 (meaning only esters on are Propionate, Phenylpropionate & isocaproate), start PCT 2 weeks after last injection.
2) If you go with Test. E start PCT 2 weeks after last injection.
3) If you go with Prop start 3 days after last injection.
4) If you go with Sustanon® 250 (meaning all the 3 esters of ®100 with the addition of decanoate ester), start PCT 3 weeks after last injection due to 20-21 days half life.

IMHO if i were you 1st choice would be the cycle with the Prop and 2nd with Enanthate.

P.S. 1) Liver/lipid protection is definately recommended, plus some BP if you have issues - can make suggestions.
2) When it comes to Clenbuterol, i don't add it in cuz it's not AAS but if you feel like using it taper up/taper out method, start from a low dose increase it ever 3 days until you reach your optimal and then taper it out exactly - dosage wise - as you did when you were tapering up. 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off is classic protocol but if you go beyond 2 weeks start ketotifen at 2-4mg ED pre-bed time until you finish your cycle.
3) Sorry for the long ass post, but you asked many things that needed much explanation :439:

Whoa Whoa Whoa wait a sec... i would never run tren ace at 180 EOD... holy **** talking about a miscommunication lol... The tri tren is a mix of 60 ace, 60 enan, and 60 hex, so i would imagine i would eventually peak at around 400-500 if taken EOD. I would actually prefer the prop and might end up going with it if i can sell the sust. If so i would run the prop at most likely 200 EOD, but then would have to switch up and go with the tren ace at 75-100 EOD. I know these are high dosages, but i have ran them very high in the past with great results, 200 EOD is alot milder compared to my last 3 cycles. Yes i heard that about T-Bol, this will be my first time taking it and am very interested in the effects. Would you go with adex or aromisin? I have taken the adex many times before with good results at .5 a day, but never the aromisin so its kind of intreaguing.With the T-3... i am scared to **** with my thyroid, i kind of put it in the same cat as insulin.. 2 things i dont want to **** up.. so i think ill just ramp the clen as planned. Do you have any adivce on prolactin control for the tren with the exception of dostinex (too expensive). And ill take your advice on the HCG.

 

[littlekev]

I would cut all those orals and give your liver some time to chill, if you have been out for a few years a few compounds in the right doses would yield awesome results! My personal opinion throw out the sd run the test,some Eq, and kick start it with the t bol wks 1-4 or 1-6 up to you! Good luck

 

[Yaz]

Whoa Whoa Whoa wait a sec... i would never run tren ace at 180 EOD... holy **** talking about a miscommunication lol... The tri tren is a mix of 60 ace, 60 enan, and 60 hex, so i would imagine i would eventually peak at around 400-500 if taken EOD. I would actually prefer the prop and might end up going with it if i can sell the sust. If so i would run the prop at most likely 200 EOD, but then would have to switch up and go with the tren ace at 75-100 EOD. I know these are high dosages, but i have ran them very high in the past with great results, 200 EOD is alot milder compared to my last 3 cycles. Yes i heard that about T-Bol, this will be my first time taking it and am very interested in the effects. Would you go with adex or aromisin? I have taken the adex many times before with good results at .5 a day, but never the aromisin so its kind of intreaguing.With the T-3... i am scared to **** with my thyroid, i kind of put it in the same cat as insulin.. 2 things i dont want to **** up.. so i think ill just ramp the clen as planned. Do you have any adivce on prolactin control for the tren with the exception of dostinex (too expensive). And ill take your advice on the HCG.

- I googled the branded product "Trenoplex" - even it gave very few results - and it was Tren Ace - my bad then. And for the future, try to post the substance not the brand of the product you will use because most people may not know and to avoid these things - not bashing you, jsut an advice.
- IMO do your cycle with Prop and Tren, too many different esters - no point. Let me say this again, i highly recommend you go with Ex 3.
- Both Arimidex and Aromasin are good choices, the 2nd is a little bit stronger but whatever you feel like using.
- 1st time T-bol and start at 70mg ? Don't .... start at 30mg ED and go your way up if(!) you need to.
- T3 is essential when it comes to Trenbolone use, because this drug inhibits with the thyroid(lowers TSH mostly i believe) is considered to be one of the main reasons for the prolactin increase - always run T3 with Tren. If you want more safety, try using some Iodine OR Guggulsterone supplement after you come off from T3. But still that's jsut my opinion, it's your choice.
- I already stated above a dosing protocol of 2 DAs(Bromocriptine, Pramipexole) so you can choose one - myself don't recomment Caber that much, too expensive indeed.

 

[NavyMuscle29]

Ok, ill run the prop,ace and T3... i was gonna throw in primo, but if we are keeping to like esters i am going to run masteron the last 5 weeks.

Weeks 1-12 --> Test Prop. 200mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 125mg EOD
Weeks 1-4 --> SD 30mg ED
Weeks 7-12 --> T-bol 50mg ED (Gotta Do it) lol.
Weeks 7-12--> Masteron 100mg EOD
Weeks 7-10 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 11-12 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-12 --> Arimidex 0.50mg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 10-12/14-16 --> Clenbuterol
20/40/60/80/100/100/120120/100/100/80/60/40/20

PCT (of total 4 weeks and no more):
Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100| 50 | 50 | 25mg ED
Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 20 | 20 | 10mg ED

As far as the T3 i thought T3/T4 had to be ramped?

 

[Yaz]

Ok, ill run the prop,ace and T3... i was gonna throw in primo, but if we are keeping to like esters i am going to run masteron the last 5 weeks.

Weeks 1-12 --> Test Prop. 200mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 --> Tren Ace 125mg EOD
Weeks 1-4 --> SD 30mg ED
Weeks 7-12 --> T-bol 50mg ED (Gotta Do it) lol.
Weeks 7-12--> Masteron 100mg EOD
Weeks 7-10 --> HCG 1500IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 750IU)
Weeks 11-12 --> HCG 3000IU/week (split in 2 equal doses of 1500IU)
Weeks 1-12 --> Arimidex 0.50mg ED
Weeks 1-10 --> T3 25-50mcg ED
Weeks 10-12/14-16 --> Clenbuterol
20/40/60/80/100/100/120120/100/100/80/60/40/20

PCT (of total 4 weeks and no more):
Weeks 1-4 --> Clomid 100| 50 | 50 | 25mg ED
Weeks 1-4 --> Nolva 40 | 20 | 20 | 10mg ED

As far as the T3 i thought T3/T4 had to be ramped?

Good for you man - good choice !
- IMO don't just start throwing in drugs out of the blue, no need for Masteron it only gives hardness and some vascularity and it show results under 12% BF with dosing 400-600mg/week - you have Trenbolone, T-bol and SD all "dry" drugs, all combined will give you great hardness & fullness.
- Arimidex EOD NOT ED, it has a 3 day half life.
- Start T-bol from 30mg.


Examples of Clenbuterol cycles

2 weeks on/2 weeks off protocol:Days 1-3 --> 40mcg
Days 4-6 --> 60mcg
Days 7-9 --> 80mcg
Days 10-12 --> 60mcg
Days 13-15 --> 40mcg

Example of 4 week cycle:
Days 1-3 --> 40mcg
Days 4-6 --> 60mcg
Days 7-9 --> 80mcg
Days 10-12 --> 100mcg
Days 13-15 --> 120mcg
Days 16-18 --> 140mcg + 2-4mg Ketotifen pre-bed
Days 19-21 --> 120mcg + 2-4mg Ketotifen pre-bed
Days 22-24 --> 100mcg + 2-4mg Ketotifen pre-bed
Days 25-27 --> 80mcg + 2-4mg Ketotifen pre-bed
Days 28-30 --> 60mcg + 2-4mg Ketotifen pre-bed
Days 31-33 --> 40mcg + 2-4mg Ketotifen pre-bed

 

[Yearightbuddy]

I just learned more here than i have in months of research...

 

[BarbellBeast]

I'd say... Yaz you got some great cycle ideas/layouts. Reps bro.

 

[Yaz]

I just learned more here than i have in months of research...

I'd say... Yaz you got some great cycle ideas/layouts. Reps bro.

Thank you very much for your compliments.

 

[bigzach1234]

i dont understand how using t3 would prevent prolactin/progesterone sides.... can u explain why one would not need a Dopamine antagonist if using t3

 

[Yaz]

i dont understand how using t3 would prevent prolactin/progesterone sides.... can u explain why one would not need a Dopamine antagonist if using t3

- The thing is that according to some studies (if not mistaken) Trenbolone seems to inhibit with the thyroid - and it is considered to be one of the main reasons for the icnrease in prolactin.
- I never said if you use T3 while on Trenbolone DAs aren't needed but i believe that it's a trial and error situation because everybody's different so it is considered IMO an optional choice.

 

[DetroitHammer]

My only comments would be this:

--Equip sucks. I have used it many times and all it did was raise my RBC over the top. It did not provide any joint relief at all and zero anabolic effect. I strongly advise not to use equip. It will make your blood as thick as oil.

--HCG... I never heard anything about it being bad. I'd like to know what you heard, because I've been using it every week for years and feel great.

--Tren is a risky compound. I've gone as high as 900mgs a week. I like Tren A at about 500mgs a week. Tren gives me all the benefits that equip allegedly gives with noticable strength gains.

-- I like Adrol more than Dbol. Try Adrol at 100mgs a day and you'll explode. Granted, your RBC will go up, but at least you'll get something out of it, unlike equip, which I feel is worthless.

 

[Yaz]

My only comments would be this:

--Equip sucks. I have used it many times and all it did was raise my RBC over the top. It did not provide any joint relief at all and zero anabolic effect. I strongly advise not to use equip. It will make your blood as thick as oil.

--HCG... I never heard anything about it being bad. I'd like to know what you heard, because I've been using it every week for years and feel great.

--Tren is a risky compound. I've gone as high as 900mgs a week. I like Tren A at about 500mgs a week. Tren gives me all the benefits that equip allegedly gives with noticable strength gains.

-- I like Adrol more than Dbol. Try Adrol at 100mgs a day and you'll explode. Granted, your RBC will go up, but at least you'll get something out of it, unlike equip, which I feel is worthless.

- Equipose has minimum effective dose at 400 for at least 12 weeks - but mostly it's appetite increase and a more vascular/hard look. Optimal range IMO would be 600-1000mg/week for 14+ weeks.

- The thing with HCG is that frequent use can lead in permanent problems with the gonadotropin production - which will result in problems with HPTA and hormone production.

- I stated my opinion on Trenbolone and frequently there was a thread about it with many comments of mine stated.

- Anadrol is quite risky drug too - not talking about liver toxicity a ridiculously misunderstood issue about his drug but mostly it's severe lipid toxicity and i believe according to some studies it may create tumors & cysts on the liver. Plus the fact that even though it doesn't aromatize it seems to affect directly the estrogen and/or progesterone receptors making it quite unpredictable.

- 100-300mg Aspirin ED will do about the blood thickening issue.

 

[DetroitHammer]

- Equipose has minimum effective dose at 400 for at least 12 weeks - but mostly it's appetite increase and a more vascular/hard look. Optimal range IMO would be 600-1000mg/week for 14+ weeks.

- The thing with HCG is that frequent use can lead in permanent problems with the gonadotropin production - which will result in problems with HPTA and hormone production.

- I stated my opinion on Trenbolone and frequently there was a thread about it with many comments of mine stated.

- Anadrol is quite risky drug too - not talking about liver toxicity a ridiculusly misunderstood issue about his drug but mostly it's severe lipid toxicity and i believe according to some studies it may create cysts on the liver. Plus the fact that even though it doesn't aromatize it seems to affect directly the estrogen and/or progesterone receptors making it quite unpredictable.

- 100-300mg Aspirin ED will do about the blood thickening issue.

I take 300mgs of aspirin ED and it did not lessen the thickening of the blood due to equip. My experience was that it caused varicose-like veins, hindered circulation, did not provide joint relief and did nothing for hardening. But, this is my experience, which may be uncommon.

Not sure I agree with the HCG comments, but will dig further. Since it stimulate the leydig cells, I don't see where it would cause the problems you mentioned, but, I do respect your thoughts so I will research further.

I agree with you on adrol.

Good discussion on Tren on the other thread. Anyone who wants to use it should think really hard before trying it.

I feel the two compounds greatly misunderstood and have the potential to really cause harm are deca and equip. Anytime someone proposes them in their cycle, I'll probably always jump in to try and discourage them because so many better alternatives exist.

 

[Yaz]

I take 300mgs of aspirin ED and it did not lessen the thickening of the blood due to equip. My experience was that it caused varicose-like veins, hindered circulation, did not provide joint relief and did nothing for hardening. But, this is my experience, which may be uncommon.

Not sure I agree with the HCG comments, but will dig further. Since it stimulate the leydig cells, I don't see where it would cause the problems you mentioned, but, I do respect your thoughts so I will research further.

I agree with you on adrol.

Good discussion on Tren on the other thread. Anyone who wants to use it should think really hard before trying it.

I feel the two compounds greatly misunderstood and have the potential to really cause harm are deca and equip. Anytime someone proposes them in their cycle, I'll probably always jump in to try and discourage them because so many better alternatives exist.

- Quite uncommon actually - but still it seems that you don't respond well.

- Yeap this HCG issue is quite rare to hear but it exists according to some research i've done and opinions of some quite knowledgable people.

- I'm glad you agree about Anadrol.

- Nandrolone is being ridiculously studied for half a century now, pretty much like Testosterone - it is one of the safest AAS there is. The only problem with this and all it's derivatives is that you have to go through a cycle of extra drug adminstration (HCG, DAs etc) - that is the only issue i believe.



- Thank you sir, that was quite the conversation and believe me i really spit some serious blood for those studies. Frankly after the studies i was expecting people's comments to falling out of the sky or something.

- The thing about Equipoise is that (i read you review a couple of minutes ago on another thread) most people seem to respond fine to regular dosing 400-800/week where others go crazy when it comes to hematocrit - it's pretty much how you respond IMO.

 

[NavyMuscle29]

My only comments would be this:

--Equip sucks. I have used it many times and all it did was raise my RBC over the top. It did not provide any joint relief at all and zero anabolic effect. I strongly advise not to use equip. It will make your blood as thick as oil.

--HCG... I never heard anything about it being bad. I'd like to know what you heard, because I've been using it every week for years and feel great.

--Tren is a risky compound. I've gone as high as 900mgs a week. I like Tren A at about 500mgs a week. Tren gives me all the benefits that equip allegedly gives with noticable strength gains.

-- I like Adrol more than Dbol. Try Adrol at 100mgs a day and you'll explode. Granted, your RBC will go up, but at least you'll get something out of it, unlike equip, which I feel is worthless.

-I have done a few cycle of EQUIP and liked it. It made me feel soild, vascular and gave me great pumps. I ran it at 800 before, this time im gonna stick with 600, trying to start back in mild cause its been a while. Never experienced any problems.

-I love tren, never have had a bad experience from it, and ive settled on 500mgs of the Tren/Blend per week.

- As far as the anadrol, i liked it when i ran it, but again due to my profession i need to keep the bloat down.. I have decided to cut out all orals with the exception of SD which i am going to run first 4 and last 4.

- I am going to run sust, tren-blen and EQ eod.. drop the tren at week 10, EQ at week 12, and test at week 14, Then PCT ar week 17 when the last ester clears.

 

[DetroitHammer]

I have done a few cycle of EQUIP and liked it. It made me feel soild, vascular and gave me great pumps. I ran it at 800 before, this time im gonna stick with 600, trying to start back in mild cause its been a while. Never experienced any problems.

When you say you never experienced any problems, did you have a blood panel to reference, or are you just going on how you feel? I felt great, but my RBC/Hemocrit were way over limits. I was on 500mgs pr wk.

-I love tren, never have had a bad experience from it, and ive settled on 500mgs of the Tren/Blend per week.

I love tren too, but realize that there is a lot going on inside that may not manifest itself right away. But I've used tren quite a few times and still love it.

- I am going to run sust, tren-blen and EQ eod.. drop the tren at week 10, EQ at week 12, and test at week 14, Then PCT ar week 17 when the last ester clears.
I personally hate sustanon. I would prefer running Test E twice a week then test prop ed alongside it. That would keep your serum levels a little more stable.

 

[DetroitHammer]

-

- Yeap this HCG issue is quite rare to hear but it exists according to some research i've done and opinions of some quite knowledgable people
.

Although hardly an exhaustive study, I did find studies by the FDA, research centers and medical papers. The only mention of cysts is the enlargement of preexisting ovarian cysts when women are using it as a dietary supplement. In men, there have been sporadic reports of testicular tumors in otherwise healthy young men receiving HCG for secondary infertility. A causative relationship between HCG and tumor development in these men has not been established. Some of these patients are on HCG for life with no adverse effects. Since HCG essentially replaced the LH, the body's natural production of testosterone is continued while with the added bonus of triggering additional FSH. Nothing I found was serious at all.

Some day we should have a discussion on Deca. All of my research concludes it's anything but safe, in fact, it's quite dangerous. But not today... I'm getting ready to ride my motorcycle across the country on the 3rd and will be gone for a month, on the road on the bike. Maybe when I get back, if you're up to it?

 

[NavyMuscle29]

I have done a few cycle of EQUIP and liked it. It made me feel soild, vascular and gave me great pumps. I ran it at 800 before, this time im gonna stick with 600, trying to start back in mild cause its been a while. Never experienced any problems.

When you say you never experienced any problems, did you have a blood panel to reference, or are you just going on how you feel? I felt great, but my RBC/Hemocrit were way over limits. I was on 500mgs pr wk.

-I love tren, never have had a bad experience from it, and ive settled on 500mgs of the Tren/Blend per week.

I love tren too, but realize that there is a lot going on inside that may not manifest itself right away. But I've used tren quite a few times and still love it.



- I am going to run sust, tren-blen and EQ eod.. drop the tren at week 10, EQ at week 12, and test at week 14, Then PCT ar week 17 when the last ester clears.
I personally hate sustanon. I would prefer running Test E twice a week then test prop ed alongside it. That would keep your serum levels a little more stable.

-Yes i had bloodword done.. it was a military physical, and i didnt actually lay eyes on it, but i was told i was good to go.

- As far as the sust is concerned, i completely agree with you and Yaz, and prefer enanthate and prop to sustanon.. but like i said, i got human grade organon pak amps for 2 bucks a pop .. and i dont really want to deal with selling them so ill settle with it.

 

[Yaz]

-Yes i had bloodword done.. it was a military physical, and i didnt actually lay eyes on it, but i was told i was good to go.

- As far as the sust is concerned, i completely agree with you and Yaz, and prefer enanthate and prop to sustanon.. but like i said, i got human grade organon pak amps for 2 bucks a pop .. and i dont really want to deal with selling them so ill settle with it.

- IMO there's absolutely no logic between ester blends whether it is Test, Trenbolone etc.
- Also i still don't see a point of using the same compound with 2 different esters attached on the same cycle.
- Don't take this personally - talking in general - i don't like the logic of people in forums who first buy the drugs then ask questions.
- It's your choice but there are usually buddies to give them away for free you know - agreed with the no selling thing, i wouldn't do it either.

 

[NavyMuscle29]

- IMO there's absolutely no logic between ester blends whether it is Test, Trenbolone etc.
- Also i still don't see a point of using the same compound with 2 different esters attached on the same cycle.
- Don't take this personally - talking in general - i don't like the logic of people in forums who first buy the drugs then ask questions.
- It's your choice but there are usually buddies to give them away for free you know - agreed with the no selling thing, i wouldn't do it either.

Look, i am not inexperienced lol.. I know exactly what i am taking, and in the last 6-7 years i have done 4-6 well thought out cycles. I completely understand the advantage single ester has over the multiple blends, i am not argueing that.. but at the same time i am of the opinion that it really doesnt matter all that much, and if i can get sust for 1/5th the price, hell, ill use it from here on out and run that **** ED lol. I do completely respect your opinion, and it is very obvious that you are extremely knowledgable and look foward to learning alot from your posts in the future.

As far as my logic of buying things and then asking questions...the questions i asked if you recall had mostly to do with offcycle AI's and whatnot since the game has changed a bit since i have last cycles. I had already made up my mind how and what i was going to run. I do appretiate your input, and i did add the T3 and Aromasin as well as changed my HCG times, and removed the SARM's... which is exactly the advice i needed. Thanks!

 

[Yaz]

Look, i am not inexperienced lol.. I know exactly what i am taking, and in the last 6-7 years i have done 4-6 well thought out cycles. I completely understand the advantage single ester has over the multiple blends, i am not argueing that.. but at the same time i am of the opinion that it really doesnt matter all that much, and if i can get sust for 1/5th the price, hell, ill use it from here on out and run that **** ED lol. I do completely respect your opinion, and it is very obvious that you are extremely knowledgable and look foward to learning alot from your posts in the future.

As far as my logic of buying things and then asking questions...the questions i asked if you recall had mostly to do with offcycle AI's and whatnot since the game has changed a bit since i have last cycles. I had already made up my mind how and what i was going to run. I do appretiate your input, and i did add the T3 and Aromasin as well as changed my HCG times, and removed the SARM's... which is exactly the advice i needed. Thanks!

I'm sorry i did not stated this early but the previous post of mine wasn't really directed ti you but in general - sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

- IMO there's absolutely no logic between ester blends whether it is Test, Trenbolone etc.
- Also i still don't see a point of using the same compound with 2 different esters attached on the same cycle.
- Don't take this personally - talking in general - i don't like the logic of people in forums who first buy the drugs then ask questions.
- It's your choice but there are usually buddies to give them away for free you know - agreed with the no selling thing, i wouldn't do it either.

My understanding is that when it comes down to it the only difference in the same compound with a different ester is the inject frequency. And possibly how fast it gets into your system being an advantage (ie. if you wanna kick start) Would that be pretty much accurate?

 

[DetroitHammer]

My understanding is that when it comes down to it the only difference in the same compound with a different ester is the inject frequency. And possibly how fast it gets into your system being an advantage (ie. if you wanna kick start) Would that be pretty much accurate?

Actually, mixing esters is a great way to control your levels. I do it all the time. Once you know how the esters work, their half lives, you can control your test levels much more effectively. The longer (heavier) the ester, the less bang for your buck. I do not like pre blended loads. If you're going to mix, do it yourself. Take Sustanon for example. You can inject Test E twice a week and Test Prop every day/every other day and get ten times the benefit that Sustanon offers. But mixing esters is fine, just remember the heavier the ester, the less AAS you get.

If I knew how to attach an image, I'd attach a chart that gives you some good information on half lives and strength compared to suspension.

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Actually, mixing esters is a great way to control your levels. I do it all the time. Once you know how the esters work, their half lives, you can control your test levels much more effectively. The longer (heavier) the ester, the less bang for your buck. I do not like pre blended loads. If you're going to mix, do it yourself. Take Sustanon for example. You can inject Test E twice a week and Test Prop every day/every other day and get ten times the benefit that Sustanon offers. But mixing esters is fine, just remember the heavier the ester, the less AAS you get.

If I knew how to attach an image, I'd attach a chart that gives you some good information on half lives and strength compared to suspension.

great info bro! I'd love to see that chart if there were a way to get it, maybe email or something.

What's your feeling on cyp? That's the only ester I personally have tried so far, always injecting every 5th day on cycle.

 

[DetroitHammer]

great info bro! I'd love to see that chart if there were a way to get it, maybe email or something.

What's your feeling on cyp? That's the only ester I personally have tried so far, always injecting every 5th day on cycle.

I like Test E better. The half life of cyp is 12 days; the half life of enanthate is 10.5. The ester weight of cyp is 31% while enanthat is 29%. The relative strength of cyp compared to suspension is 69% while Enanthate is 71%. Not a lot of difference, but enough. But that doesn't tell the whole story.

The rate of estered test strength declines rapidly, regardless what the math on paper says. I get bloodwrok done all the time. I want to know my specs on the highest concentration day, so I typically run a panel the morning I inject. My test levels are always around 6000. (I know it's high.) That's with about 250 test e and 200 mast (per week= 500 test/400 mast). Then I decided to see what my levels were a few days later. So I had blood drawn 5 days after my injection and my levels came back just over 1000. And that wasn't even half life. I thought the gear was bad so I had it tested. The gear was perfect. It was the decline of strength that brought it down so rapidly.

My point is that I don't care what numbers on paper say, I know what my bloodwork says my levels are and I know that with test e I can expect to lose about 1/6 every day, until day five at least. The only way to preserve your levels is to add a short estered test every other day or so to prevent the sharp peeks and valleys.

If you were to rely on the published half life expectancy, then at day 10 you would have 50% of the injectable amount in your blood. If the release were even (and it's not) then if you injected 200mgs on Monday, then you could expect 10mgs a day until the tenth day. Thats like Androgel. I contend that you would have much less than that, and that the majority would be released way before day ten and pretty much exhausted by the tenth day. But don't take my word for it, or anyone elses. Get bloodwork done and see for your self. Bloodwork may not tell the whole story, but it''s better than numbers on paper and an expected performance.

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

I like Test E better. The half life of cyp is 12 days; the half life of enanthate is 10.5. The ester weight of cyp is 31% while enanthat is 29%. The relative strength of cyp compared to suspension is 69% while Enanthate is 71%. Not a lot of difference, but enough. But that doesn't tell the whole story.

The rate of estered test strength declines rapidly, regardless what the math on paper says. I get bloodwrok done all the time. I want to know my specs on the highest concentration day, so I typically run a panel the morning I inject. My test levels are always around 6000. (I know it's high.) That's with about 250 test e and 200 mast (per week= 500 test/400 mast). Then I decided to see what my levels were a few days later. So I had blood drawn 5 days after my injection and my levels came back just over 1000. And that wasn't even half life. I thought the gear was bad so I had it tested. The gear was perfect. It was the decline of strength that brought it down so rapidly.

My point is that I don't care what numbers on paper say, I know what my bloodwork says my levels are and I know that with test e I can expect to lose about 1/6 every day, until day five at least. The only way to preserve your levels is to add a short estered test every other day or so to prevent the sharp peeks and valleys.

If you were to rely on the published half life expectancy, then at day 10 you would have 50% of the injectable amount in your blood. If the release were even (and it's not) then if you injected 200mgs on Monday, then you could expect 10mgs a day until the tenth day. Thats like Androgel. I contend that you would have much less than that, and that the majority would be released way before day ten and pretty much exhausted by the tenth day. But don't take my word for it, or anyone elses. Get bloodwork done and see for your self. Bloodwork may not tell the whole story, but it''s better than numbers on paper and an expected performance.

with cyp having about 2.5 day longer half life, wouldn't it stand to reason that your levels might not drop so rapidly after an inect like that? And you might be a bit higher than just over 1000 on that 5th day? I mean obviously I do no know, I'm just trying to wrap my head around all the info here, lol. However you probably also would not be 6000 on that same day if doing cyp instead?

OR....what your saying is that if your injecting before the expected half life is up (which obviously everyone SHOULD be anyways) than it stands to reason that test e would give you better results since your levels will get and stay higher quicker?

 

[DetroitHammer]

with cyp having about 2.5 day longer half life, wouldn't it stand to reason that your levels might not drop so rapidly after an inect like that? And you might be a bit higher than just over 1000 on that 5th day? I mean obviously I do no know, I'm just trying to wrap my head around all the info here, lol. However you probably also would not be 6000 on that same day if doing cyp instead?

Let's say on Monday, several subjects injected 200mgs at the same time. One injected Test C; One injected Test E; one injected Test Prop (prop is 80% of suspension) and one injected Test suspension.

Keep in mind, to address your comment, that 69% over 12 days is far less than 71% over 10 days. So you would expect much lower test levels with Cyp than with Enanthate.

On day one, both Test C and E would release between 7-10 mgs, according to the charts. I say the release is more like 50mgs.

Test prop would give you about 100mgs (half life around 4 days, but we know you need to inject at least every other day).

Suspension would give you 200mgs, that day, but you need to inject ever day to sustain that level.

By day five, both Test E and C are losing their strength and the release is at best, 7-10 mgs.

Day five for Prop, assuming you're injecting every other day, will still be giving you about 120mgs (overlapoing the half life would give you more than the first day)

Day five of suspension, assuming you're injecting every day, will be a steady 200mgs.

These are real rough numbers, but close. So many factors enter into the release of the test into your blood, like the depth of injection, your body's ability to break it down and so on.

So for me, to keep levels more constant, I inject Test E twice a week and prop or suspension four days a week, between injections. That has kept me pretty steady.

OR....what your saying is that if your injecting before the expected half life is up (which obviously everyone SHOULD be anyways) than it stands to reason that test e would give you better results since your levels will get and stay higher quicker?

Yes... In fact, if someone were to want to inject 500mgs per week of E, ideally, he would inject 100mgs five days a week, M-F to get the most out of the heavy esters and keep his levels constant. But, if you were going to do that, just inject suspension and get the full mgs of pure test and forget the problems associated with esters.

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

Let's say on Monday, several subjects injected 200mgs at the same time. One injected Test C; One injected Test E; one injected Test Prop (prop is 80% of suspension) and one injected Test suspension.

Keep in mind, to address your comment, that 69% over 12 days is far less than 71% over 10 days. So you would expect much lower test levels with Cyp than with Enanthate.

On day one, both Test C and E would release between 7-10 mgs, according to the charts. I say the release is more like 50mgs.

Test prop would give you about 100mgs (half life around 4 days, but we know you need to inject at least every other day).

Suspension would give you 200mgs, that day, but you need to inject ever day to sustain that level.

By day five, both Test E and C are losing their strength and the release is at best, 7-10 mgs.

Day five for Prop, assuming you're injecting every other day, will still be giving you about 120mgs (overlapoing the half life would give you more than the first day)

Day five of suspension, assuming you're injecting every day, will be a steady 200mgs.

These are real rough numbers, but close. So many factors enter into the release of the test into your blood, like the depth of injection, your body's ability to break it down and so on.

So for me, to keep levels more constant, I inject Test E twice a week and prop or suspension four days a week, between injections. That has kept me pretty steady.



Yes... In fact, if someone were to want to inject 500mgs per week of E, ideally, he would inject 100mgs five days a week, M-F to get the most out of the heavy esters and keep his levels constant. But, if you were going to do that, just inject suspension and get the full mgs of pure test and forget the problems associated with esters.

awesome info again man. If I could rep you again I would, lol.

What would you say to a 2x a week monday and thursday inject pattern for cyp instead of an every 5th day? More stable, or little to know difference?

 

[Gerhard.elch]

I feel the two compounds greatly misunderstood and have the potential to really cause harm are deca and equip. Anytime someone proposes them in their cycle, I'll probably always jump in to try and discourage them because so many better alternatives exist.

Which would be these many better alternatives? I was thinking about a high anabolic and mild/moderat androgenic steroid that isn't too harmfull.

 

[DetroitHammer]

Which would be these many better alternatives? I was thinking about a high anabolic and mild/moderat androgenic steroid that isn't too harmfull.

I'm not sure what you want exists. You described Tren, but as far as sides go, it effects everyone differently. When you look at the high anabolic drugs out there, dbol, anadrol, tren, cheque drops, etc., they all have some potentially harmful sides. Although not "highly" anabolic, masteron is not a bad choice. It has a deceivingly low anabolic/androgenic ratio, but since DHT is 5x as androgenic as testosterone and has a 3-4x higher affinity to receptor sites, Masteron is considered a pretty potent steroid if dosed properly.

Between deca and equip, I feel, personally, that deca is the most harmful and the mass gaining properties of deca are way over exaggerated. In my other post I posted a study that showed that deca is only something like 60% as anabolic as testosterone. Plus the sides, which are basically uncontrolable and ED make it a very risky choice with little in return. Equip raises your RBC higher than most other steroids, and raising your hemocrit sky-high too. But, between the two, equip is probably "safer."

I know this isn't the answer you were looking for, but I would just increase the dosage of test and you'd get exactly what you were looking for. Test rules.

 

[GLHF]

I'm not sure what you want exists. You described Tren, but as far as sides go, it effects everyone differently. When you look at the high anabolic drugs out there, dbol, anadrol, tren, cheque drops, etc., they all have some potentially harmful sides. Although not "highly" anabolic, masteron is not a bad choice. It has a deceivingly low anabolic/androgenic ratio, but since DHT is 5x as androgenic as testosterone and has a 3-4x higher affinity to receptor sites, Masteron is considered a pretty potent steroid if dosed properly.

Between deca and equip, I feel, personally, that deca is the most harmful and the mass gaining properties of deca are way over exaggerated. In my other post I posted a study that showed that deca is only something like 60% as anabolic as testosterone. Plus the sides, which are basically uncontrolable and ED make it a very risky choice with little in return. Equip raises your RBC higher than most other steroids, and raising your hemocrit sky-high too. But, between the two, equip is probably "safer."

I know this isn't the answer you were looking for, but I would just increase the dosage of test and you'd get exactly what you were looking for. Test rules.

deca sucks....i would only understand if you used deca for joint issues at like 200mg. all the kids that pump 600+ and deal with sides- why do you do it? there are much better drugs out there.