1. whats the % difference of trans vs oral

how much is asorbed thru transdermal 100 mg of 1 test vs
100mg taken orally? just wanted a quick refrence

2. Originally posted by wildwiley35
how much is asorbed thru transdermal 100 mg of 1 test vs
100mg taken orally? just wanted a quick refrence
Everything is an estimate since nobody has the money to fund a study but roughly 40% with a good transdermal versus 10-15% oral.

Chemo
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3. is that the same for 4AD?

4. Yes, according to most, 4ad has poor bioavailability. Similar to test

5. Thanks pogue - so ~275mg of 4AD transdermal is = ~750mg 4AD oral...

BigV
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6. Originally posted by BigVrunga
Thanks pogue - so ~275mg of 4AD transdermal is = ~750mg 4AD oral...

BigV
1-test, 1-AD, and 1,4-andro all have an increased resistance to liver breakdown due to the 1-ene group that is common to all of them. This is why the oral delivery of these is roughly 10-15%.

4-AD, however, does not have this and gets about 5%.

So, 275 mg trans = 2200 mg oral 4-AD

Chemo

7. The BDC prohormone chart lists 4AD's conversion as ~14%. Is this just for the transdermal?

In BigCat's megabol/anabol stack, you would ingest 750mg of 4AD/day. So I would only need ~95mg of transdermal 4AD to get similar effects?

Thanks
BigV

8. Exactly...95 mg of transdermal 4-AD would be about equal to 750 mg taken orally.

Chemo

9. Originally posted by BigVrunga
The BDC prohormone chart lists 4AD's conversion as ~14%. Is this just for the transdermal?

BigV
That conversion rate is to the target hormone.. TEST... That number is after the absorption rate of 5% orally... eg&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1000mg taken oraaly

50mg would be absorbed and 7.5mg would be converted to TEST but 4-ad is also active by itself.... BUT 1000mg taken transdermally(BDC recipe)

400mg would be absorbed and 60mg would be converted to TEST...

You make the choice... One is clearly better thatthe other...&nbsp; Hope that helps.. Talk to ya...&nbsp;

10. Ok I see now, orally, you lose 95% of the hormone on its pass through the liver. The conversion rate is amount of hormone getting converted into its target when it hits the enzyme.

With PH's without a 1-ene group, the oral rate of absorption is 5%. Transdermally, its around 40%. Injection is around 100%.

Thanks guys, I got it now No wonder those Megabol-X tabs didnt do much

Thanks for the explanation.
BigV

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