There has been a lot of hype about the ability of these two compounds being able to produce any results.
I would be interested from hearing from any one who has posted with positive results from these compounds or believes they have seen results.
How long have you been training consistently?
Did your training change shortly before or after you started talking the PH's?
Was your diet consistent before starting the PH's?
My concern reading some of the posts about positive results is that inexperienced users, people freshly back in the gym and people that have changed up there routines alot my not have experienced the gains from the PH but are see results of perhaps better training, diet or Placebo.