Possible fake Havoc? PCT still?
04-07-2011 05:05 PM
Possible fake Havoc? PCT still?
I'm on week 3 of a suposed bottle of rpn havoc and haven't felt anything at all. No strength or weight increases that I can attribute to the havoc.
The bottle was sealed when I bought it but I couln't find an experation date.
Dosage: Been on 30mg since Wed of first week and just bumped to 40mg this past Tues.
Only possible side I got was a super dry nose but that went away in a few days. Pretty much I'm real disapointed and am gathering supplies for a real aas cycle. I want to start the cycle soon and kick start with mdrol. I don't feel shut down and don't really want to take my nolva for 4 weeks for nothing. I was thinking maybe 2 weeks off and only use pct if needed but if all is good start the aas cycle in May.
Any opinions on this?
04-07-2011 05:12 PM
Did you just start week 3?
If so, 30mg of Epi will not manifest by week 3. Go until week 4 or 6.
04-07-2011 05:30 PM
Epi is a hit or miss ,a lot of people respond and others dont!!
04-07-2011 06:16 PM
This is day 5 of week 3. I only have enough for 4 weeks.
If nothing happens at the end of week 4 should I even bother with PCT? I have some pcs and activate extreme I could use instead on my nolva just in case..but if people don't respond does that mean my body is just not even letting it shut me down?
04-09-2011 02:59 AM
OP, did you get this Havoc on ebay..I've actually got a pretty similar story to you.
04-09-2011 03:05 AM
What a coincidence, A buddy of mine got a bottle off ebay of RPN HAVOC , and didnt get **** for results was sealed and all. Was going for 32.99 per bottle
Originally Posted by SiFT 182
04-09-2011 03:20 AM
Some ebayer might be bootleggin' the sh!t. Open the bottles and replace with sugar caps or any other compound then resealing?!
04-09-2011 03:21 AM
ha. ya dont say? some sorta special 48-72 hr "one time only sale"? the guy said he'd give me my money back..but what is so frustrating (besides it totally ****ed up my summer recomp) is that SOO many people give that guy positive feed back??
and he responds to me with "epi is hit or miss. do you know how impossible it is to find a pill making, bottle sealing machine to create these fake pills?" hey buddy, you ever watch Catch Me If You Can?! hear of counterfeit bills?! i'm wondering if the OP ran into the same issue. I'm currently on "week 2" of this "cycle" and when I noticed I was looking a little pudgy, I opened up a pill, and downed it. Tasted like nothing special. Kinda like a cotton candy gum base with no taste. Does anyone know if that's normal?
04-09-2011 09:03 AM
How do you reseal a bottle properly? Unless youre running some epic drug operation... I don't think its that possible. I'd love to be proven wrong tho.
edit: also, epi is hit or miss. i've attempted to run it twice, from different brands, bought legitimately, and nothing really. just got some acne haha. woo.
04-09-2011 09:40 AM
Bro, why dont you guys compare the pills and see if they match.
Other then that, I used Epi-Strong in place of Halo and the epi kicked some major azz..I ran it at 30 mg for 4 weeks..worked nice..
Sounds like you got screw*d
04-09-2011 10:22 AM
Why would anyone by a legal steroid like epistane from ebay?
04-10-2011 03:03 AM
what was his cycle like? 30/30/30/30 or what?
Originally Posted by ward5742
also, was this his first time with running any type of Epi product?
04-10-2011 03:06 AM
cuz that's where I first started buying PH products, and have just been accustomed to going back there. After seeing all of the legitimate sites where you can buy them and hopefully have some sort of guarantee, this last purchase will be my last PH purchase from ebay.
Originally Posted by Primal2
not to mention, it was REAL cheap
04-10-2011 01:47 PM
i am doing rpn havoc and stanodrol.now coming up to my 4th week.havent seen much difference may be a little tighter when working out.so i added 10mg of methyl-s which i had over from another cycle a week ago and slowly seeing gains.had no side effects so far.i think some people dont respond to havoc as well as other people do.been running the havoc at 40mg and the stano at 600mg think it has made a difference since i added the small dose of methyl-s (s drol clone) still no shut down as well.i no my liver will take a beating but if i dident add the methyl-s dont think i would of seen any gains at all.
04-10-2011 03:08 PM
There is no evidence of counterfeit of these products.
04-10-2011 03:49 PM
did you get ur havoc off ebay? is this ur first havoc cycle?
Originally Posted by crazyfruits
04-11-2011 02:27 PM
Nope I got my havoc from amazon..not much better. This is my last week so im going to do 50mg till friday and if I dont get any sides ill just wait 2 weeks with pct on hand if needed prob not and start a test cycle with mdrol kickstart in May.
04-11-2011 10:34 PM
so is it ur first epistane related cycle? im asking cuz i was doin 30mg for the first 19 days, thought my stuff was fake, and then was told that a tolerance could have been developed from two previous cycles of the same chemical. immediately bumped up to 40 and will do 50 shortly afterwards.
this sounds gay, but have u noticed any other sides like ur balls gettin a lil bit smaller?
04-14-2011 08:59 AM
Last summer I was working out w/ 2 brothers who both bought Epi form the same company. I cant remember the brand name now, but it worked great for one, the other didnt feel crap. So its definitely hit or miss.
Also, you cant run Epi two weeks and say "I dont feel anything so it must be counterfeit." Do you know how much it would cost to buy the machines needed to make drug seals and reseal bottles properly? Not to mention the permits youd probably need to have to buy the machines form the manufacturer? It would not be worth it to sell something like Epi, which is legal, sells for $35ish a bottle, and anybody with any sense would just buy from a reputable company. Now, if youre talking Phera or something like that, maybe..just maybe..the money would be there to make a profit.
How about this... you're brother #2, you dont respond to Epi.. form all the posts Ive read over the past few years, im buessing 30%.. one out of three.. dont respond to Epi. Or, you dont respond to 30mg..and need something closer to 50.
04-14-2011 02:12 PM
Agreed. I just read a Post by an experienced guy who said that, in his opinion, most of the "non-responders" had underdosed.
Originally Posted by cowboy007
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