- 03-30-2011, 10:18 PM
- 03-30-2011, 10:52 PM
03-31-2011, 12:45 AM
03-31-2011, 02:39 AM
please be aware 19 nor steroids degrade serotonin receptors, and hamper serotonin production
although for a short period of time(8-12 weeks, or in your case 4-6) you shouldnt have much to worry about
03-31-2011, 03:37 AM
03-31-2011, 03:44 AM
03-31-2011, 03:45 AM
although if ur at a moderate dose, you should be okay- the higher you go the more downregulation occurs- hence
at 550mgs tren ace a week i couldnt sleep for ****- even with sleep meds.
dropped it to 350 a week- i sleep fine
serotonin plays a role in sleep etc
speaking of sleep im headed there now- good night gents
03-31-2011, 06:35 AM
03-31-2011, 07:57 AM
03-31-2011, 11:34 AM
Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles
Remember stacking 3 steroids of any kind (methyl or not) isn't the best thing to do without complete knowledge. Since you've done epi/mdrol I'm hoping you know about sides/support/PCT. If not, get the info before you do anything.
Refrence the article above, but here are the three you asked for:
Trenazone: (btw this is trans-dermal, not pills, FYI):
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin. Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: This is a prohormone to dienolone (similar to M-diene). Decent for recomp and increases in strength.
Not on the list above, google "19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione" for a ton of info.
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.
(As a loose reference, dry = cut, wet = bulk)
03-31-2011, 11:53 AM
03-31-2011, 11:56 AM
Any of the 'Trens' (19-Nor)are AMAZING (solo, even better stacked - especially with superdrol - but thats another story) or the Max LMGs.
Can't go wrong with either really.
Keep in mind tho that the Trens have been known to still be pretty harsh on the liver, comparable to a methyl prohormone in some cases. Something to keep in mind if you're really worried about that.
03-31-2011, 12:01 PM
This is PMag -> 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol.
It is methylated.
You're good to go with P-Stanz or Furuza, though
03-31-2011, 12:04 PM
i have 2 bottles of tren e (pro-dienolone) but im pretty wary when it comes to using them. all i ever hear is how it flares up gyno pretty bad. also, its not a progestin, but it does agitate the progestin receptors (im pretty sure, someone correct me if im wrong).
03-31-2011, 12:22 PM
If only IBE/PHF would get this Trenavar out already...
03-31-2011, 12:39 PM
And hopefully this clears up what I had said a little bit; if it's wrong - please let me know, because this is how I understand it.
Trendione is pro-trenbolone.
Dienolone is trenbolone without the c11 double-bond.
X-tren, etc (estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione) are pro-dienolone.
03-31-2011, 12:59 PM
03-31-2011, 03:53 PM
Whats up fellas, my first post here but im active on many other boards. Please don't take what Im about to say the wrong way, I honestly am just curious as to why some of you choose designer steroids as oppsosed to traditional AAS.
I understand that DS are the big thing here on AM, but I just can't comprehend why anyone would take such a gamble with their health for far inferior results. Traditional AAS have been studied for years upon years and with the exception of a few (tren, EQ) are approved for the use in humans. It just kills me to see these guys running these elobarate stacks of DS with no real medical documentation or clinical studies documenting ANYTHING about the drug, let alone its safety profile.
Im sure those of you who have studied extensively know that this isn't the first time a lot of these DS have been looked into. Many of them have been looked into and first discovered by big pharma back in the 60's 70's but were dropped from further research because of A) their safety profile or B) Simply were not effective as the AAS already available.
Now don't get me wrong, there have been some designer steroids that have been developed that rival traditional oral AAS in terms of effectivness. Superdrol and M1T come to mind. There safety profile however is another story.
So I guess my overall point is why take the gamble with your health when there are clinically studied traditional AAS that big pharma has extensively researched and spent litteraly billions of dollars on to determine not only the effectivness of these AAS but also there safety profiles.
Edit: I appologize to the OP for going off topic, I'm actually going to craete a new thread with this topic as I'm curious to the opinions I get from members.
03-31-2011, 04:24 PM
03-31-2011, 07:11 PM
03-31-2011, 08:31 PM
Ok I pretty much have it narrowed down to tren, furuza-a or p-stanz. What one is the best for recomp/lean dry gains? Either way, one of these three will be stacked with Epi or Mdrol.
03-31-2011, 10:17 PM
Trenazone.Guess im the 1000th person to say that,but yea,better absorption and what not,good stuff.
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04-02-2011, 09:14 PM
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