Finasteride with Epistane counterproductive?
- 03-04-2011, 02:15 PM
- 03-04-2011, 02:17 PM
- 03-04-2011, 02:24 PM
Why is that? Its an anti-estrogen that has great proclaimed results for minimizing or reducing gyno.
03-04-2011, 02:29 PM
03-04-2011, 02:37 PM
03-04-2011, 04:03 PM
epi works fine for gyno reduction but the rebound will kick your ass , and give you some beautiful big tits. If you are going to run it for just have an ai on hand and i would recommend a steady mg amount and slowly taper off into pct , such as an overlap. tapering is key for successful gyno reduction
03-05-2011, 04:57 PM
I should reiterate that I have mild gyno R>L and work out avidly. I have never taken a prohormone but believe I got the gyno from a 5AR inhibitor for my hairloss. I would like to continue to take finasteride but would also like to the reep the benefits of Epistane and maybe get some reduction in my gyno as well. How should I dose Epistane? When do I start Nolva and how should I dose this? When does the test booster come into play? Sorry I know I have a lot of questions. Thanks in advance!
03-05-2011, 05:10 PM
03-05-2011, 05:26 PM
FU*CK FINASTRIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Run what ever u like, epi, nolva, aromasin...won't make a diff
as LONG AS YOUR ON FINASTRIDE you will remain on the cusp of becoming a woman.
Run Finastride = cosmetically you will look like sh*t. Blocking DHT is only going to delay hairloss if prone.
BLOCK DHT = body like a Bit*h!!!!! fat face, puffy breasted, emotional man-bit*h!
03-05-2011, 07:24 PM
Awful things about Fin? Please enlighten me? As far as DHT, it has very little anabolic activity and is not found in muscle to any significant degree. DHT is more androgenic than anabolic so it should not affect muscle...
03-05-2011, 07:50 PM
03-05-2011, 07:52 PM
03-06-2011, 09:07 AM
03-06-2011, 09:47 AM
03-06-2011, 01:33 PM
i have never taken finastride/propecia etc.
however i have exp. the effects 1st hand from a close friend. pls i do not want to talk about it
Did u say "doesn't impede any gains" ?????? now that is funny!!!! do u even know what i'm talking about? i never said anything about gains! i could care less.
what i am talking about is that it IMPEDES recovery of the 5ar enzyme which is responsible for DHT levels. NOT TALKING ABOUT GAINS! I'M TALIKING ABOUT SUSTAINING YOUR LIFE AS A MAN WHO LIKES TO FU*K WOMEN!
LET ME BE CLEAR PROPECIA/FINASTRIDE/DUASTRIDE/PROSCAR etc. will fuc*k u up in a simular way tren does. long term inhibition of 5ar will cause much of the same symtoms, bloating, estrogen and prolactin sides, low libido, E.D., severe depression.
max LMG and propecia = good luck with pct.
I know a guy on finastride and he always says "dude what are u talking about?" all the while when i look at his face he looks like a bloated soft piece of sh*t carrying about like a chewed up piece of bubble gum. maybe i could recomend he go on a d-zine run? hey at least he might look better right?
If You don't have any sides from finastride use then u are above the norm and
a FREEK OF NATURE
if you don't have any sides concluding your finastride/d-zine/lmg run then you are Fu*king superman and we all need to drink your blood.
BTW The "offical" Dr. report or 'caution' is that Finastride/Propecia etc. only causes sexualy sides in 2% of users. Hope that makes you feel better. Love how doctors pimp drugs espicialy female endos prescribing sh*t that fu*ks up a dudes Di*k when they have no idea what it is to be a man.
Or u can think i'm full of Sh*t i don't care, if i can just warn one person then i will have accomplished an act of good.
BTW d-zine should mitigate sides from LMG as well as the beloved FINASTRIDE. isn't that awesome!!! one could go on taking dht based ph/steroids to combat finastride sides all the while saving male pattern baldness. oh and not to mention the GAINS on D-zine are awesome!
03-06-2011, 01:48 PM
FINASTRIDE BLOCKS DHT BY INHIBITING THE 5ar enzyme.
how do people not know this??????????????????????????
are we still talking about gains??
i'm done going all out/crusading against this drug.
i'm very sorry if i offended anyone.
pls carry on.
03-06-2011, 08:07 PM
lol i've been on finasteride for over a 2 years now, and quite happy with it. sex drive is fine, no gyno, no puffy face etc. i did put on a little bit of weight, but that was managed easily.
also, i have run max lmg 3 times before in combination with other cycles and never experienced anythign negative, and pct was fine (actually just finishing up pct with a boladrol/mlmg run) and feeling good. libido is high. ejaculation is great. like a god. lol.
finasteride has a lot of bad commentary, probably for good reason, but its not as evil as people make it out to be.
anyway, if you're worried about your gains from epi on finasteride - don't. you'll be sweet, dude.
03-06-2011, 08:12 PM
I don't mean to be inflammatory but the vast majority of people who take finasteride don't have any negative sides. The alarmism on this thread is nonsense.
03-06-2011, 08:25 PM
I think what happens in a lot of cases is that people will read a study or they'll here a story of someone who was impacted greatly by a drug and it gets blown out of proportion. No two people are the same and they'll react differently to different compounds. Not everyone will end up with a "body like a Bit*h!!!!! fat face, puffy breasted, emotional man-bit*h!" as was stated above.
Fina has been good to me for the past two months. No puffy face, I'm still lean even on 5000 cals per day, and my libido is not affected whatsoever.
03-06-2011, 09:02 PM
03-06-2011, 09:05 PM
03-06-2011, 09:58 PM
03-06-2011, 11:27 PM
lol can someone please tell the OP that taking a steroid is not a good way to reduce gyno.
You're going to put your hormones in a mess with a steroid. You're going to shut down your natural testosterone and estrogen production (thus the estrogen reduction) and need as SERM after. Epistane is not an AI. An unmethylated version of Epistane with minor changes to the structure was used as an AI in some Japanese studies so people get this crazy idea that Epistane has AI properties. It doesn't. And it will mess with your hormones WAY more than a real AI which you should be looking into.
Get a real AI and don't f*ck around.
03-07-2011, 01:08 AM
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