Win vs Anavar as a stand alone

[Superpippo]

Hi guys!!!

I would like to start an oral cycle with just one aas...

my target is mainly fat loss,and add little lbm if possible...which one would you choose? win or var(dosed both at about 50 mg/day)? do not consider the price,assume they cost the same

thank you for your opinions!

 

[BuzzLightyear]

It's called "Win" for a reason. 50mg for 6-8 weeks.

 

[BuzzLightyear]

Oh, and best for fat loss? That would be a good heavy dose of a clean diet.

 

[Bigchourico]

I prefer anavar myself

 

[sluggy]

Winny is a pre-contest compound, and should not be used solo.
It will make you nice and vascular as ****, but you'll already need to be sub 6-8%.

Anavar is a much better overall compound. Even if you are running it solo for some reason.
There is a reason why Anavar costs more..

 

[jaydollars]

I have never tried it, but from personal users of anavar at 80-100mg/day the results were pretty amazing, saw a guy at my gym maybe add 5lbs + muscle while losing a ton of belly fat, I am thinking too, that in medical studies, anavar has been shown to have an effect on adipose tissue, only steroid to directly cause fat loss, don't ask me to find the studies, to hard on my iPhone, but there out there

But no idea about 50mg, sounds low but everyone will react differently

 

[schwellington]

I have never tried it, but from personal users of anavar at 80-100mg/day the results were pretty amazing, saw a guy at my gym maybe add 5lbs + muscle while losing a ton of belly fat, I am thinking too, that in medical studies, anavar has been shown to have an effect on adipose tissue, only steroid to directly cause fat loss, don't ask me to find the studies, to hard on my iPhone, but there out there

But no idea about 50mg, sounds low but everyone will react differently

false- trenbolone diorectly affects adipose- so does EVERY other steroid- there are Androgen Receptors in fat tissue- steroids bind to them, causing fat loss, the stronger a compound binds to the AR the more fat loss example : trenbolone binds VERY strongly to the AR inducing fat loss


anavar is your best bet here for several reasons

its more anabolic the winnie
it produces collagen synthesis which is good for the joints etc
it has a strong affinity for the AR
its less harsh on the body than winnnie



50mgs is to low though run it at 75-100

im running 100mgs for 12 weeks

 

[jaydollars]

Ok well Schwell has some good points...but in medical studies, later I will try in find them, anavar has really nice effects on adipose if I am not mistake

Schwell, can you point me towards the studies on steroids effecting the AR receptors in fat tissue, causing fat loss, I would like to read them.

 

[Superpippo]

I have never tried it, but from personal users of anavar at 80-100mg/day the results were pretty amazing, saw a guy at my gym maybe add 5lbs + muscle while losing a ton of belly fat, I am thinking too, that in medical studies, anavar has been shown to have an effect on adipose tissue, only steroid to directly cause fat loss, don't ask me to find the studies, to hard on my iPhone, but there out there

But no idea about 50mg, sounds low but everyone will react differently

thanks bra.

 

[Superpippo]

false- trenbolone diorectly affects adipose- so does EVERY other steroid- there are Androgen Receptors in fat tissue- steroids bind to them, causing fat loss, the stronger a compound binds to the AR the more fat loss example : trenbolone binds VERY strongly to the AR inducing fat loss


anavar is your best bet here for several reasons

its more anabolic the winnie
it produces collagen synthesis which is good for the joints etc
it has a strong affinity for the AR
its less harsh on the body than winnnie



50mgs is to low though run it at 75-100

im running 100mgs for 12 weeks

of course,I'll like the effects on the joints very very much!!!
are you running a log about your experience? I'm really interested!

 

[schwellington]

yes my log is in my signature at the bottom of my post- go look for it in cycle info SCHWELLINGTON IS TURNED TO THE DARKSIDE

im starting my anavar in 3 weeks- but have researched THE HELL out of it

will be using trenbolone too

i will dig up the studies and post them here later tonight so watch for em

 

[jaydollars]

yes my log is in my signature at the bottom of my post- go look for it in cycle info SCHWELLINGTON IS TURNED TO THE DARKSIDE

im starting my anavar in 3 weeks- but have researched THE HELL out of it

will be using trenbolone too

i will dig up the studies and post them here later tonight so watch for em

Thanks boss

 

[schwellington]

http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/4/1567

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T8X-47PR4C3-10B&_user=10&_coverDate=11/30/1990&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1639432802&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=b46d1bf5690c9ed9424f2cf173e0ec38&searchtype=a

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2004.00152.x/full

all done on rats- one study does include that AR"s are found in human adipose


good luck finding a study done on human though- it would be "unethical"

 

[Superpippo]

well,it seems var is the best choice

and what about running something along with it?

I had these 3 ideas,what's your opinion about them?

- Clen
- Proviron (Mesterolone)
- an AI

 

[warren916]

Make sure you get your blood work done if you plan on running any of those two..

 

[gymrat827]

I'd go var. Stack it with some clen/t3

 

[Superpippo]

I'm scared of using t3,'cause of thyroid shutdown...I think I'd go with clen...

 

[schwellington]

dont use t3- you will have a low thyroid when you come off of it- not worth it


with
test
anavar
clen

and a good clean diet with cardio.weights you will like your results

 

[swagnasty]

I wanna try a winny only 6 week cycle after i'm done with my test.. let me know what you decide

 

[Bigchourico]

false- trenbolone diorectly affects adipose- so does EVERY other steroid- there are Androgen Receptors in fat tissue- steroids bind to them, causing fat loss, the stronger a compound binds to the AR the more fat loss example : trenbolone binds VERY strongly to the AR inducing fat loss


anavar is your best bet here for several reasons

its more anabolic the winnie
it produces collagen synthesis which is good for the joints etc
it has a strong affinity for the AR
its less harsh on the body than winnnie



50mgs is to low though run it at 75-100

im running 100mgs for 12 weeks

Good Post. Anavar is superior to Winstrol for all these reasons.:werd:

 

[Jasen]

Why noy do, both together? If u have access to both take them each

 

[Superpippo]

isn't supposed to be too harsh to take them together?

 

[onlyone]

well,it seems var is the best choice

and what about running something along with it?

I had these 3 ideas,what's your opinion about them?

- Clen
- Proviron (Mesterolone)
- an AI

Anyone done var+AI, is that a good combo?

 

[bigbumpkin]

I like winny but solo? not unless stacking would I use that low a dose.Even stacking I usually go higher! What about a good old ECA? it'll rev up ur metabolism AND motivate u at the gym

 

[MAxximal]

http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/4/1567

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T8X-47PR4C3-10B&_user=10&_coverDate=11/30/1990&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1639432802&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=b46d1bf5690c9ed9424f2cf173e0ec38&searchtype=a

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2004.00152.x/full

all done on rats- one study does include that AR"s are found in human adipose


good luck finding a study done on human though- it would be "unethical"

Interesting

 

[schwellington]

var+ai there is no need anavar is dry you would wreck your joints


you could take var+winnie

but i would do var+tuirnabol

 

[Superpippo]

what's the point in adding winnie to var?is it useful?

 

[Superpippo]

another question...would you prefer to do:

6 weeks @ 50
or
8 weeks @ 40

using the same quantity of var...which one is the best?

 

[Jasen]

Aas long term lower dose is better

Yeah u can stack both ana us verymild

 

[schwellington]

Jasen is right anavar is mild,
var+winnie cool
var+turinabol cool

 

[Superpippo]

and what doses if I choose to stack var + win?

 

[Jasen]

and what doses if I choose to stack var + win?

Ull have good results

Var at 80-100
Winni at 60- 80

Var is very mild mildest steroid

 

[schwellington]

once again i agree with jason

 

[kanakafarian]

Ull have good results

Var at 80-100
Winni at 60- 80

Var is very mild mildest steroid

Var/tbol sounds good but that would be pretty darn expensive to run var at 80-100!!

 

[Jasen]

once again i agree with jason

Thanks I seen you post many interesting things aswell

A yeh its $$$$

 

[schwellington]

Thanks I seen you post many interesting things aswell

A yeh its $$$$

no doubt, var is pricey


i get the raw powder though so for 5 grams i only pay 150 bucks which is dirt cheap

hypothetically of course :/

 

[MAxximal]

how is dosed var? i mean i see various post of different doses

 

[kanakafarian]

no doubt, var is pricey


i get the raw powder though so for 5 grams i only pay 150 bucks which is dirt cheap

hypothetically of course :/

Hmm...I never thought about going raw powder?! Do you hypothetically cap them yourself? Or do you mix it in oil? I'm very interested for research purposes only of course.

 

[schwellington]

Hmm...I never thought about going raw powder?! Do you hypothetically cap them yourself? Or do you mix it in oil? I'm very interested for research purposes only of course.

heh, i dont do either, i just weigh it, lick it off the scale


hypothetically of course


i do not like prepairing my own concoctions


hypothetically

 

[kanakafarian]

heh, i dont do either, i just weigh it, lick it off the scale


hypothetically of course


i do not like prepairing my own concoctions


hypothetically

Now I've got something to think about. If only I had 400x 10mg GP Dbols on the way, I'd hypothetically add var raw powder into the equation. Hmm...

 

[Superpippo]

another question bras

what about dieting on my var cycle?my priority is to cut,I want to destroy some old fat...how much should I lower the calories in your opinion?

 

[Jasen]

another question bras

what about dieting on my var cycle?my priority is to cut,I want to destroy some old fat...how much should I lower the calories in your opinion?

Lower it by 400-600 till u hit a plateo than lower it again , keep doing that.

 

[timmmah]

Oh, and best for fat loss? That would be a good heavy dose of a clean diet.

Exactly

 

[timmmah]

another question bras

what about dieting on my var cycle?my priority is to cut,I want to destroy some old fat...how much should I lower the calories in your opinion?

paleo or keto is the fastest way to cut but it takes discipline

 

[Jasen]

paleo or keto is the fastest way to cut but it takes discipline

Paleo is cool it leta u eat fruits right??

 

[timmmah]

Check this out

 

[MAxximal]

Check this out

Great info here

 

[Superpippo]

I think I am going to keep my lbm even with a great calories deficit,is it right?
would it be pointless to add some proviron during the cycle?

What do you think about clen bros?where should I put it? I mean...my idea is to cut for about 8 weeks and then start the cycle (oxa,6 to 8 weeks)...I can't use clen for 16 weeks,I'd like to use it for 6 weeks (2+2+2)...do you think it would be more useful pre-cycle or during the cycle?

 

[schwellington]

CLEAN DIET first and foremost then supplement with var

example im eating 3300 calories CLEAN

cardio 5-6x a week
weights 5x a week


im loosing bf


but i also gained 4 lbs


but then again im using trenbolone too

 

[Jasen]

CLEAN DIET first and foremost then supplement with var

example im eating 3300 calories CLEAN

cardio 5-6x a week
weights 5x a week


im loosing bf


but i also gained 4 lbs


but then again im using trenbolone too

I lold so hard!!!!!!

first u emphasize on importantce of diet, then u state... Then again I'm on tren.... Hahahah