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    Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS)


    20. Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARM's)



    Willem Koert


    The pharmaceutical industry is actively searching for successors of anabolic steroids. These new substances are called Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators or SARMís. In this chapter we will explain how SARMís look like and describe the state of the art.


    The full name of anabolic steroids is in fact androgenic anabolic steroids. Scientists usually call them androgens and omit the anabolic part of the name. The reason is that the receptor that mediates the effects of androgenic anabolic steroids, is called the Androgen receptor. In Chapter 8 we have explained how this works. We have used the name anabolic steroids to emphasize the main subject of this Anabolics book.


    There is only one androgen receptor and it is everywhere present in our body; in bones, muscles, liver, skin, prostate and in the central nervous system. This receptor mediates the effects of the two natural steroid hormones testosterone and dihydrotestosterone and of synthetic anabolic steroids. It does this by activating genes or other non genomic cell signaling systems.


    The Leydig cells in the testes produce 90% of the testosterone in a mans body, the adrenal gland and the liver produce the other 10%. Testosterone stimulates libido and sperm production. It circulates in the blood and in muscles it acts as an anabolic steroid. The enzyme 5a-reductase converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone in the prostate, the liver and the skin. Dihydrotestosterone is responsible for the androgenic effects, such as beard growth, body hair, acne, and in elder man for pattern baldness and enlargement of the prostate. The enzyme aromatase converts a small part (0.2%) of the testosterone into estradiol. Estradiol is essential for the growth of bones and it plays a role in libido and cognition. There are two receptors that mediate the effects of estradiol. Testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and estradiol, each in appropriate quantities, are essential for a normal functioning body.


    The pharmaceutical industry has performed extensive research on synthetic anabolic steroids. This has led to medicines for hypogonadism, muscle wasting diseases, anaemia, benign prostate enlargement and prostate cancer. For women medines for mammary cancer, osteoperose and hormone therapy were developed. All this research has been only partial successful. Long lasting application of synthetic steroid hormones often showed serious side effects and liver toxicity. A lack of receptor selectively and just partial separation of anabolic and androgenic activities are the main reasons for side effects.


    Anabolic steroids sometimes also fit in the steroid receptors for estrogens, progestagens, and corticosteroids. We then see the side effects that are mediated by these non-androgenic ligandĖreceptor complexes. This becomes more probable when high concentrations of anabolic steroids are present, as is the case with bodybuilders that use high doses of anabolic steroids. Well known side effects are water retention and gynecomastia.



    Elder men

    Anabolic steroids are not only popular with fitnessers and bodybuilders. Also elder men may benefit from the use of anabolics. The production of testosterone deminishes and the production of Sex Hormone Binding Globuline (SHBG) increases with age. Both factors are unfavourable for the availablity of testosterone for the androgen receptor. This may lead to less energy, decrease of muscle power, deminished sexual performance and sometimes to depression.


    External testosterone suppletion can counteract these phenomena, but there are some drawbacks. Medics are worried about overstimulation of the prostate, and unfavourable effects on haert and blood vessels. Besides, testosterone is not orally available because of fast metabolic transformations. It can be taken parentally or a testosterone containing gel can be put on the skin. Chemists have developed a large variety of synthetic anabolic steroids, also to deal with aging problems. Many of these are described in the former chapters. However, each synthetic steroid has its own drawbacks and side effects.


    Chemists, biochemists and pharmacists have been only partly successful in adapting anabolic steroids, so that they only form complexes with the androgen receptor and not with the other steroid receptors. Besides, the steroid-androgen receptor complexes ideally should only mediate the desired anabolic effects and not the tedious androgenic effects. That also has been only partially successful. Therefore, scientists and especially the pharmaceutical industry are now investigating compounds with completely different, non-steroidal, chemical structures. They try to find compounds with high selectivity for the androgen receptor, with good anabolic and no androgenic activity.


    These compounds are called Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator or SARM's. They should improve muscle strength, give more energy, stimulate a better mood, libido and sexual performance, without detrimental effects on the prostate, liver, heart and blood vessels. In women they should deal with frailty and osteoperose without virilizing effects



    We are all getting older and older and like to enjoy a healthy life as long as possible. Also bodybuilders and fitnessers are of course interested in good SARMís that stimulate muscle growth without riscs and tedious side effects. There is a big demand for such compounds and the pharmaceutical industry is working hard to find them. Regularly good reviews about SARMís appear in the scientific literature. [1] [2]


    It is not really simple to find a good SARM. A good SARM should have the same interaction with the androgen receptor as testosterone and that should be all.


    SARMís should not form complexes with the other steroid recoptors for estrogens, progestagens and corticosteroids, to avoid the side effects that are mediated by these ligand-receptor complexes. SARM's also should not bind to SHBG. In this way the SARM remains available for the androgen receptor and can be applied in a lower dose. Also possible non-genomic effects of SHBG-SARM complexes will not be mediated.


    SARMís should not inhibit the enzyme aromatase. The body needs the small quantity of estradiol that is also produced by men, for bone formation and cognition.


    A good SARM should not or as little as possible, interfere with the natural production of testosterone and sperm. The production of testosterone in the Leydig cells in the testes is under control of the so called Hypothalamus-Pituary-Testes Axis (HPT-axis). This process starts with nerve stimulation of the hypothalamus to secrete the Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH). This is a small peptide hormone (see Chapter 3), which stimulates the pituary to release two glyco-peptide hormones, the Luteinizing Hormone (LH) and the Folikel Stimulating Hormone (FSH) (see Figure 1).










    Figure 1




    LH then stimulates the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone and the concentration of testosterone in the blood increases. This higher concentration of testosterone on its turn will inhibit the further production of GnHR and LH. The testosterone in the blood is metabolised in the liver and removed from the body. This results in a lowering of the concentration of testosterone in the blood. This lower concentration will decrease the inhibition of the hypothalamus and the pituary, and the whole process restarts. This feedback regulation of the testosterone production prevents large fluctuations of its concentration in the blood.


    Synthetic anabolic steroids in high concentrations also inhibit the release of GnRH, LH and FSH and in this way the bodyís own production of testosterone and sperm is stopped. The testes have nothing to do and shrink. When the use or abuse of anabolics is stopped the production of testosterone and sperm recovers but this may take some time.


    A good SARM should not inhibit the secretion of GnRH, LH and FSH completely and that is a problem. In its interactions with receptors the SARM resembles testosterone. In the androgen receptor in the muscles this is a desirable interaction, but the interaction with the receptors in the hypothalamus and the pituari should not lead to inhibition of the release of GnRH, LH and FSH. The opposite is desired for SARM's that are developed for male contraception. These SARM's are ment to suppress or stop the sperm production.


    It will not necessarily lead to problems when the bodyís own production of testosterone will be down to a low level due to the application of a SARM. The SARM itself will take over the anabolic function of testosterone. When there is very little testosterone also the production of dihydrotestosterone will be low. That is an advantage because then also the androgenic effects of dihydrotestosterone will be prevented. The body does need the small quantity of estradiol, but in most cases there will be enough testosterone produced, to take care of that.


    The SARM should be orally available, and preferrably should not be taken more often then once per day. This means that metabolic transformations of the SARM should not be too fast. The SARM itself and its metabolites should not be toxic.


    The perfect SARM has to fulfill all these conditions. But just as with anabolic steroids, one SARM does this in a better and different way then the other. Untill now four groups of SARM's with promising properties have been published. These four groups are mentioned in Tabel 1. All these SARM's are androgen receptor agonists with good bonding to the receptor. The SARM-androgen receptor complexes show good anabolic activities in animal tests. They are not yet on the market but they are in the pipe line. S1, S4, C6 and BMS 564929 are presently under clinical trial.









    Table 1
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    It is clear that the structural formulas of these SARM's do not at all resemble those of anabolic steroids. Nevertheless they give stable complexes with the androgen receptor. Also in these compounds there are functional groups that can form hydrogen bonds and take part in Van der Waals interactions with the side chains of the amino acids that line the inside of the bonding pocket of the androgen receptor. These interactions together lead to bonding of the ligand.


    After bonding of the ligand the ligand-androgen receptor complex changes its shape, which induces tissue specifix processes. These processes are in the skin and the prostate different from those in muscles. One of the reasons is that in each tissue different enzymes and cofactors are present. These are collected by the ligand-androgen receptor complex on the DNA and together they transactivate the target genes for proteine synthesis (see Chapter 8, figure 2). The SARM has to be more selective in these processes then the usual synthetic anabolic steroids. The SARM-androgen receptor complex has to initiate just the anabolic effects in the muscles and, for instance, not the androgenic effects in the prostate. In principle this should be possible.


    From crystal structure determinations of complexes of steroidal ligands with the ligand bonding domain (LBD) of the androgen receptor we know how these complexes look like on a molecular level, and which interactions play important roles (see Chapter 7). Also the crystal structures of a number of SARM-LBD complexes have been determined. From these structures, scientists can see where the SARM-LBD structures differ from those of the natural and synthetic anabolic steroids.[3] [4] Chemists use this information to optimalize the structure of the SARM and to explain the selectivity of its effects.


    The SARM agonists [5] from Table 1 have originated from knowledge about similar types of compounds which are already applied as anti-androgens and as androgen antagonists. Agonists and antagonists [6] for the androgen receptor and anti-androgens [7] have in common that they all bind with the receptor. However, all three types of compounds do this in a slightly different way, so that also the follow up is different. The chemical structure of agonists and antagonists for the same receptor sometimes resemble eachother rather closely.


    We will have a closer look to the SARM's that nowadays are under clinical trial. Some members of the group of aryl propionamides are already on the market as anti-androgens. Based on their structures, the SARM's S1, S4, C6 and later S22 are developed. They show good anabolic activity and have only a partly androgenic effect on the prostate. They do suppress the secretion of LH and FSH. Especially C6. shows this effect, and pharmacists consider application of this compound in male contraception.


    The propionamide SARM's are orally available, but their halflife time is approximately three hours and that is relatively short. The main metabolic reactions are reduction of the nitro group and hydrolysis of the amides (see Scheme 1). In the second generation compound S22, the nitro group and the halogen atoms or amide group are replaced by cyano groups. These are not metabolically reduced and the halflife time of S22 is about six hours.








    Scheme 1
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    Bristol Meyers Squibb has developed a hydantoine type SARM named (7R,7aS) 2-chloro-4 (7-hydroxy-1,3-dioxotetrahydropyrrolo[1,2c]imidazol-2-yl) 3-methyl-benzonitrile, with the codename BMS 564929. [4] The synthesis of BMS 564929 is rather complicated. The right and the left part of the molecule each take five steps. Another three steps are necessary to put the two halves together and to finish the molecule.


    BMS 564929 binds well to the androgen receptor and not to the other steroid receptors. BMS 564929 has no interactions with SHBG and it does not inhibit aromatase. Tests with rats show a better anabolic activity then testosterone propionate at the same dose, and a low androgenic activity. At higher doses BMS 564929 does inhibit the hypothalamus and\or the pituary and in this way lowers the secretion of LH and FSH.


    An X-ray of the complex of BMS 564929 with the LBD of the androgen receptor shows some differences between BMS 564929 and dihydrotestosterone in their interaction with the LBD of the receptor. These differences seem to be large enough to enable mediation of the anabolic effect in the muscles and not the androgenic effect in the prostate. It is not yet completely clear how to explain all the differences.


    BMS 564929 is orally available and metabolic transformations are slower then in the proionamide SARM's. The halflife time varies from eight to fourteen hours, and a low dose is possible.


    Critical reviews and comments in the scientific literature generally are positive about SARM's. [8] [9] It is however also clear that more research is necessary.


    The anabolic steroids have ended up ultimately in the grey and black zone of doping and designer supplements. Maybe that will happen also with SARM's in the future. There are however a few differences between SARM's and anabolic steroids.


    A SARM with high anabolic activity that is attractive for sportsmen and bodybuilders, still has to be found. When this will happen, the makers of designer SARM's and illegal supplements have a problem. It is not that easy to change the structure of a SARM a bit, to enhance its anabolic activity or to circumvent patents. Any minor change in its chemical structure may change an agonist into an antagonist. This last remark should be a warning for chemical sportsmen that are offered designer SARM's. They just as well may have an opposite effect.


    [1] Gao W.; Kim J. and Dalton J.T. Pharmaceutical Research (2006) 23, 1641-1658. .
    [2] Gao W.and Dalton J.W. Drug Discovery Today (2007) 12, 241-248 .
    [3] Bohl C.E.; Miller D.D.; Chen J.; Bell C.E. and Dalton J.T. J. Biol. Chem. (2005) 280, 37747-37754.
    [4] Ostrovski J.; Kuhns J.E.; Lupisella J.A.; Manfredi M.C.; Beehler B.C.; Krystek S.R.; Bi Y.; Sun C.; Seethala R.; Golla B.; Sleph P.G.; Fura A.; An Y.; Kish K.F.; Sack J.S.; Mookhtiar K.A.; Grover G.J. and Hamann L.G. Endocrinology (2007) 148, 4-12.
    [5] An agonist for the androgen receptor is a synthetic compound that binds with the receptor. The complex gives the same natural follow up as the complexes of the natural ligands testosterone and dihydrotestosterone.
    [6] An antagonist for the androgen receptor is a synthetic compound that does bind to the receptor, but the complex does not give any of the natural follow up processes.
    [7] An anti-androgen is a synthetic compound that competes with the natural ligands for binding with the androgen receptor. The complex does not give the natural follow up processes.
    [8] Brown T.R. Endocrinology (2004) 145, 5417-5419.
    [9] Wilson E.M. Endocrinology (2007) 148, 1-3.

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    Is S22 Ostartine?

    Since Ostarine is Mark 2866, is there a chance that it is not suppressive like S22? Any direct analysis of Ostarine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Lang View Post
    Ostarine is not suppressive, there are many logs here on it.
    I will agree on this.. osta is not..
    s4 is mildly..

    I have used both
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Lang View Post
    Ostarine is not suppressive, there are many logs here on it.
    Can you get a sticky going that shows the logs with bloodwork and the studies? Seriously, these Ostarine/SARMs threads are filling up the forum. This one is actually useful, but I bet people are blowing by it because of all the other threads asking about suppression or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Lang View Post
    Ostarine is not suppressive, there are many logs here on it.
    The only studies out there referenced indicate all 4 SARMs studied were suppressive. Where is the conclusive evidence that there is no HPTA suppression with Ostarine? I'm really interested in seeing more conclusive information on Ostarine overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolidusSnake View Post
    I will agree on this.. osta is not..
    s4 is mildly..

    I have used both
    Just wondering, how do you know? Do you have the bloodwork? I'm just really curious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Can you get a sticky going that shows the logs with bloodwork and the studies? Seriously, these Ostarine/SARMs threads are filling up the forum. This one is actually useful, but I bet people are blowing by it because of all the other threads asking about suppression or not.
    The only one I saw that mentioned bloodwork was Schwellington, and that still leaves me wondering. This is a good idea to consolidate them, but probably want someone with no vested interest to avoid misrepresentation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Is S22 Ostartine?

    Since Ostarine is Mark 2866, is there a chance that it is not suppressive like S22? Any direct analysis of Ostarine?
    yes, and as the last quote stated, studies done on all sarms currently being researched, have shown them to be suppressive to hpta function.

    the two people quoted below, dont know what they are talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Lang View Post
    Ostarine is not suppressive, there are many logs here on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by SolidusSnake View Post
    I will agree on this.. osta is not..
    s4 is mildly..

    I have used both
    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    The only studies out there referenced indicate all 4 SARMs studied were suppressive. Where is the conclusive evidence that there is no HPTA suppression with Ostarine? I'm really interested in seeing more conclusive information on Ostarine overall.
    ^--this.

    posters would need to have base line blood work or their homeostasis values, then have intra & post sarm blood work drawn, as is done in the clinical studies, to draw a conclusion that sarms are not suppressive.

    only a person who is would think otherwise without reading the real data based facts.

    is it as supressive as your mildest anabolic steroid? probably not, so this may appeal to some, and also most likely the only pct required from a sarm would be to stop taking it.

    but just cause you can recover with no need for a pct does't mean it isn't supressive. you can recover from 20mg of sd for 4 weeks with no pct, it'll just take a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    yes, and as the last quote stated, studies done on all sarms currently being researched, have shown them to be suppressive to hpta function.

    the two people quoted below, dont know what they are talking about.







    ^--this.

    posters would need to have base line blood work or their homeostasis values, then have intra & post sarm blood work drawn, as is done in the clinical studies, to draw a conclusion that sarms are not suppressive.

    only a person who is would think otherwise without reading the real data based facts.

    is it as supressive as your mildest anabolic steroid? probably not, so this may appeal to some, and also most likely the only pct required from a sarm would be to stop taking it.

    but just cause you can recover with no need for a pct does't mean it isn't supressive. you can recover from 20mg of sd for 4 weeks with no pct, it'll just take a while.
    Glad you posted this, at least some people still read

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Glad you posted this, at least some people still read
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    Thanks for posting. I got a nose bleed from reading that... J/K Tell me what to take, how much, and when. I'm there.
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    You sir do a lot of talking and copy and pasting.. Sometimes I feel as though you speak out of your a-s-s....

    I can go search on google to, copy and paste and act like I know what the F i am talking about.. you dont fool me tool

    Why dont you get blood work to prove your theory. Because I have seen unsuppressed LH values with osta users.. That means HPTA is not being suppressed. I have also seen data showing the the testers not running into any suppression at their low dose run for "TRT"..





    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    yes, and as the last quote stated, studies done on all sarms currently being researched, have shown them to be suppressive to hpta function.

    the two people quoted below, dont know what they are talking about.







    ^--this.

    posters would need to have base line blood work or their homeostasis values, then have intra & post sarm blood work drawn, as is done in the clinical studies, to draw a conclusion that sarms are not suppressive.

    only a person who is would think otherwise without reading the real data based facts.

    is it as supressive as your mildest anabolic steroid? probably not, so this may appeal to some, and also most likely the only pct required from a sarm would be to stop taking it.

    but just cause you can recover with no need for a pct does't mean it isn't supressive. you can recover from 20mg of sd for 4 weeks with no pct, it'll just take a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    yes, and as the last quote stated, studies done on all sarms currently being researched, have shown them to be suppressive to hpta function.

    the two people quoted below, dont know what they are talking about.







    ^--this.

    posters would need to have base line blood work or their homeostasis values, then have intra & post sarm blood work drawn, as is done in the clinical studies, to draw a conclusion that sarms are not suppressive.

    only a person who is would think otherwise without reading the real data based facts.

    is it as supressive as your mildest anabolic steroid? probably not, so this may appeal to some, and also most likely the only pct required from a sarm would be to stop taking it.

    but just cause you can recover with no need for a pct does't mean it isn't supressive. you can recover from 20mg of sd for 4 weeks with no pct, it'll just take a while.
    this study contradicts suppression http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ort/84/10/3459
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    This article is pretty informative, but is also around 11 years old. I am anxious to see what newer studies have to say about it as I plan on using this in my PCT...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    would you be kind enough to point out where in this "article", (not a study) that it states the 5 sarms currently in clinical testing are not supressive?

    I read the whole thing, and am not able to find it, I must have missed it, help me out.
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    sure just a sec
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    copy and pasted from article


    Recently, a novel family of nonsteroidal molecules has been identified with selectivity and specificity for the AR (9, 19). Using molecular screening approaches targeting the transcriptional activation of the human AR, combined with discriminatory cellular assays and medicinal chemistry structure-activity efforts, several series of distinct molecules have been synthesized that possess antagonist, agonist, or partial-agonist activity. The latter represent a unique group of molecules that provide the needed diversity of ligands to fully explore the utility and activities of SARMs.

    The different series of molecules contain individual members that display selective preferences for certain tissues or activities (i.e., trophic in muscle, strong or very weak gonadotropin feedback) and widely diverse ratios of activity in sex accessory tissues (prostate, seminal vesicles) vs. other peripheral (i.e., muscle) or central nervous system responses. Therefore, groups of molecules are identified that provide a range of activities, from full agonist to partial agonist with distinct tissue selectivity and unique therapeutic potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolidusSnake View Post
    You sir do a lot of talking and copy and pasting.. Sometimes I feel as though you speak out of your a-s-s....

    I can go search on google to, copy and paste and act like I know what the F i am talking about.. you dont fool me tool

    Why dont you get blood work to prove your theory. Because I have seen unsuppressed LH values with osta users.. That means HPTA is not being suppressed. I have also seen data showing the the testers not running into any suppression at their low dose run for "TRT"..

    no it doesn't. you should read this chapter on sarms.
    and I actually at this point in my education, do very little copy and pasting. I normally do talk out of my ass (or memory, w/e you want to call it) and only post my sources of information along with the original info if it is called into question, or I dont remember the details of what I read.

    You can feel this way, lmao, but between us guys, it doesn't matter what someone who doesn't know much about androgens & anabolics (you) thinks, as long as I get paid. dont worry, I wont put any of your post on blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    copy and pasted from article


    Recently, a novel family of nonsteroidal molecules has been identified with selectivity and specificity for the AR (9, 19). Using molecular screening approaches targeting the transcriptional activation of the human AR, combined with discriminatory cellular assays and medicinal chemistry structure-activity efforts, several series of distinct molecules have been synthesized that possess antagonist, agonist, or partial-agonist activity. The latter represent a unique group of molecules that provide the needed diversity of ligands to fully explore the utility and activities of SARMs.

    The different series of molecules contain individual members that display selective preferences for certain tissues or activities (i.e., trophic in muscle, strong or very weak gonadotropin feedback) and widely diverse ratios of activity in sex accessory tissues (prostate, seminal vesicles) vs. other peripheral (i.e., muscle) or central nervous system responses. Therefore, groups of molecules are identified that provide a range of activities, from full agonist to partial agonist with distinct tissue selectivity and unique therapeutic potential.

    thanks in advance, but I have to ask for another favor, can you bold where it states sarms aren't supressive to hpta function to any degree?

    Also, for everyone, I know im come off as an ass, but please, dont confuse this with me thinking I know as much about sarms as I do about steroids (which is very little).

    I simply read articles with data, and try to learn & share what i've learned. (I also like to try to help people from being fooled by mis information, even if it's me giving the mis information on accident.)
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    okay- you got me there, i was stating they are non steroidal,- well this is what i meant when I said they are not suppressive, which doesnt really make sense in and of itself, however, i can say this, if, IF they are suppressive it is minimal, which is shown in clincal settings, however taking 50mg for 8 weeks is stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    is it as supressive as your mildest anabolic steroid? probably not, so this may appeal to some, and also most likely the only pct required from a sarm would be to stop taking it.

    but just cause you can recover with no need for a pct does't mean it isn't supressive. you can recover from 20mg of sd for 4 weeks with no pct, it'll just take a while.
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    okay- you got me there, i was stating they are non steroidal,- well this is what i meant when I said they are not suppressive, which doesnt really make sense in and of itself, however, i can say this, if, IF they are suppressive it is minimal, which is shown in clincal settings, however taking 50mg for 8 weeks is stupid

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    I guarantee you those "clinical tests" were administered in small doses. It's common knowledge by now to know that if you want good real world results you're going to have to dose higher than doses in tests. And even if Osta doesn't show suppressive qualities at a low dose, why would you take for granted the fact that it shows suppression in high doses? Either way it's got some form of suppression because it's an ANDROGEN. It's like if you took Beta Alanine and said you didn't feel a tingle at 3g so you take it to 6g to feel it. It's STILL Beta Alanine and tingly despite the difference in dosing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    I guarantee you those "clinical tests" were administered in small doses. It's common knowledge by now to know that if you want good real world results you're going to have to dose higher than doses in tests. And even if Osta doesn't show suppressive qualities at a low dose, why would you take for granted the fact that it shows suppression in high doses? Either way it's got some form of suppression because it's an ANDROGEN. It's like if you took Beta Alanine and said you didn't feel a tingle at 3g so you take it to 6g to feel it. It's STILL Beta Alanine despite the difference in dosing.

    Either way i'm out later dewds
    Funny you said that, I read somewhere when I was studying Dianabol that a low dose of 5-10mg is not suppressive. Don't quote me on the study. It was awhile ago...
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    so how many sarms are there? functions?
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    20. Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARM's)



    Willem Koert


    The pharmaceutical industry is actively searching for successors of anabolic steroids. These new substances are called Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators or SARMís. In this chapter we will explain how SARMís look like and describe the state of the art.


    The full name of anabolic steroids is in fact androgenic anabolic steroids. Scientists usually call them androgens and omit the anabolic part of the name. The reason is that the receptor that mediates the effects of androgenic anabolic steroids, is called the Androgen receptor. In Chapter 8 we have explained how this works. We have used the name anabolic steroids to emphasize the main subject of this Anabolics book.


    There is only one androgen receptor and it is everywhere present in our body; in bones, muscles, liver, skin, prostate and in the central nervous system. This receptor mediates the effects of the two natural steroid hormones testosterone and dihydrotestosterone and of synthetic anabolic steroids. It does this by activating genes or other non genomic cell signaling systems.


    The Leydig cells in the testes produce 90% of the testosterone in a mans body, the adrenal gland and the liver produce the other 10%. Testosterone stimulates libido and sperm production. It circulates in the blood and in muscles it acts as an anabolic steroid. The enzyme 5a-reductase converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone in the prostate, the liver and the skin. Dihydrotestosterone is responsible for the androgenic effects, such as beard growth, body hair, acne, and in elder man for pattern baldness and enlargement of the prostate. The enzyme aromatase converts a small part (0.2%) of the testosterone into estradiol. Estradiol is essential for the growth of bones and it plays a role in libido and cognition. There are two receptors that mediate the effects of estradiol. Testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and estradiol, each in appropriate quantities, are essential for a normal functioning body.


    The pharmaceutical industry has performed extensive research on synthetic anabolic steroids. This has led to medicines for hypogonadism, muscle wasting diseases, anaemia, benign prostate enlargement and prostate cancer. For women medines for mammary cancer, osteoperose and hormone therapy were developed. All this research has been only partial successful. Long lasting application of synthetic steroid hormones often showed serious side effects and liver toxicity. A lack of receptor selectively and just partial separation of anabolic and androgenic activities are the main reasons for side effects.


    Anabolic steroids sometimes also fit in the steroid receptors for estrogens, progestagens, and corticosteroids. We then see the side effects that are mediated by these non-androgenic ligandĖreceptor complexes. This becomes more probable when high concentrations of anabolic steroids are present, as is the case with bodybuilders that use high doses of anabolic steroids. Well known side effects are water retention and gynecomastia.



    Elder men

    Anabolic steroids are not only popular with fitnessers and bodybuilders. Also elder men may benefit from the use of anabolics. The production of testosterone deminishes and the production of Sex Hormone Binding Globuline (SHBG) increases with age. Both factors are unfavourable for the availablity of testosterone for the androgen receptor. This may lead to less energy, decrease of muscle power, deminished sexual performance and sometimes to depression.


    External testosterone suppletion can counteract these phenomena, but there are some drawbacks. Medics are worried about overstimulation of the prostate, and unfavourable effects on haert and blood vessels. Besides, testosterone is not orally available because of fast metabolic transformations. It can be taken parentally or a testosterone containing gel can be put on the skin. Chemists have developed a large variety of synthetic anabolic steroids, also to deal with aging problems. Many of these are described in the former chapters. However, each synthetic steroid has its own drawbacks and side effects.


    Chemists, biochemists and pharmacists have been only partly successful in adapting anabolic steroids, so that they only form complexes with the androgen receptor and not with the other steroid receptors. Besides, the steroid-androgen receptor complexes ideally should only mediate the desired anabolic effects and not the tedious androgenic effects. That also has been only partially successful. Therefore, scientists and especially the pharmaceutical industry are now investigating compounds with completely different, non-steroidal, chemical structures. They try to find compounds with high selectivity for the androgen receptor, with good anabolic and no androgenic activity.


    These compounds are called Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator or SARM's. They should improve muscle strength, give more energy, stimulate a better mood, libido and sexual performance, without detrimental effects on the prostate, liver, heart and blood vessels. In women they should deal with frailty and osteoperose without virilizing effects



    We are all getting older and older and like to enjoy a healthy life as long as possible. Also bodybuilders and fitnessers are of course interested in good SARMís that stimulate muscle growth without riscs and tedious side effects. There is a big demand for such compounds and the pharmaceutical industry is working hard to find them. Regularly good reviews about SARMís appear in the scientific literature. [1] [2]


    It is not really simple to find a good SARM. A good SARM should have the same interaction with the androgen receptor as testosterone and that should be all.


    SARMís should not form complexes with the other steroid recoptors for estrogens, progestagens and corticosteroids, to avoid the side effects that are mediated by these ligand-receptor complexes. SARM's also should not bind to SHBG. In this way the SARM remains available for the androgen receptor and can be applied in a lower dose. Also possible non-genomic effects of SHBG-SARM complexes will not be mediated.


    SARMís should not inhibit the enzyme aromatase. The body needs the small quantity of estradiol that is also produced by men, for bone formation and cognition.


    A good SARM should not or as little as possible, interfere with the natural production of testosterone and sperm. The production of testosterone in the Leydig cells in the testes is under control of the so called Hypothalamus-Pituary-Testes Axis (HPT-axis). This process starts with nerve stimulation of the hypothalamus to secrete the Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH). This is a small peptide hormone (see Chapter 3), which stimulates the pituary to release two glyco-peptide hormones, the Luteinizing Hormone (LH) and the Folikel Stimulating Hormone (FSH) (see Figure 1).










    Figure 1




    LH then stimulates the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone and the concentration of testosterone in the blood increases. This higher concentration of testosterone on its turn will inhibit the further production of GnHR and LH. The testosterone in the blood is metabolised in the liver and removed from the body. This results in a lowering of the concentration of testosterone in the blood. This lower concentration will decrease the inhibition of the hypothalamus and the pituary, and the whole process restarts. This feedback regulation of the testosterone production prevents large fluctuations of its concentration in the blood.


    Synthetic anabolic steroids in high concentrations also inhibit the release of GnRH, LH and FSH and in this way the bodyís own production of testosterone and sperm is stopped. The testes have nothing to do and shrink. When the use or abuse of anabolics is stopped the production of testosterone and sperm recovers but this may take some time.


    A good SARM should not inhibit the secretion of GnRH, LH and FSH completely and that is a problem. In its interactions with receptors the SARM resembles testosterone. In the androgen receptor in the muscles this is a desirable interaction, but the interaction with the receptors in the hypothalamus and the pituari should not lead to inhibition of the release of GnRH, LH and FSH. The opposite is desired for SARM's that are developed for male contraception. These SARM's are ment to suppress or stop the sperm production.


    It will not necessarily lead to problems when the bodyís own production of testosterone will be down to a low level due to the application of a SARM. The SARM itself will take over the anabolic function of testosterone. When there is very little testosterone also the production of dihydrotestosterone will be low. That is an advantage because then also the androgenic effects of dihydrotestosterone will be prevented. The body does need the small quantity of estradiol, but in most cases there will be enough testosterone produced, to take care of that.


    The SARM should be orally available, and preferrably should not be taken more often then once per day. This means that metabolic transformations of the SARM should not be too fast. The SARM itself and its metabolites should not be toxic.


    The perfect SARM has to fulfill all these conditions. But just as with anabolic steroids, one SARM does this in a better and different way then the other. Untill now four groups of SARM's with promising properties have been published. These four groups are mentioned in Tabel 1. All these SARM's are androgen receptor agonists with good bonding to the receptor. The SARM-androgen receptor complexes show good anabolic activities in animal tests. They are not yet on the market but they are in the pipe line. S1, S4, C6 and BMS 564929 are presently under clinical trial.









    Table 1
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    It is clear that the structural formulas of these SARM's do not at all resemble those of anabolic steroids. Nevertheless they give stable complexes with the androgen receptor. Also in these compounds there are functional groups that can form hydrogen bonds and take part in Van der Waals interactions with the side chains of the amino acids that line the inside of the bonding pocket of the androgen receptor. These interactions together lead to bonding of the ligand.


    After bonding of the ligand the ligand-androgen receptor complex changes its shape, which induces tissue specifix processes. These processes are in the skin and the prostate different from those in muscles. One of the reasons is that in each tissue different enzymes and cofactors are present. These are collected by the ligand-androgen receptor complex on the DNA and together they transactivate the target genes for proteine synthesis (see Chapter 8, figure 2). The SARM has to be more selective in these processes then the usual synthetic anabolic steroids. The SARM-androgen receptor complex has to initiate just the anabolic effects in the muscles and, for instance, not the androgenic effects in the prostate. In principle this should be possible.


    From crystal structure determinations of complexes of steroidal ligands with the ligand bonding domain (LBD) of the androgen receptor we know how these complexes look like on a molecular level, and which interactions play important roles (see Chapter 7). Also the crystal structures of a number of SARM-LBD complexes have been determined. From these structures, scientists can see where the SARM-LBD structures differ from those of the natural and synthetic anabolic steroids.[3] [4] Chemists use this information to optimalize the structure of the SARM and to explain the selectivity of its effects.


    The SARM agonists [5] from Table 1 have originated from knowledge about similar types of compounds which are already applied as anti-androgens and as androgen antagonists. Agonists and antagonists [6] for the androgen receptor and anti-androgens [7] have in common that they all bind with the receptor. However, all three types of compounds do this in a slightly different way, so that also the follow up is different. The chemical structure of agonists and antagonists for the same receptor sometimes resemble eachother rather closely.


    We will have a closer look to the SARM's that nowadays are under clinical trial. Some members of the group of aryl propionamides are already on the market as anti-androgens. Based on their structures, the SARM's S1, S4, C6 and later S22 are developed. They show good anabolic activity and have only a partly androgenic effect on the prostate. They do suppress the secretion of LH and FSH. Especially C6. shows this effect, and pharmacists consider application of this compound in male contraception.


    The propionamide SARM's are orally available, but their halflife time is approximately three hours and that is relatively short. The main metabolic reactions are reduction of the nitro group and hydrolysis of the amides (see Scheme 1). In the second generation compound S22, the nitro group and the halogen atoms or amide group are replaced by cyano groups. These are not metabolically reduced and the halflife time of S22 is about six hours.








    Scheme 1
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    Bristol Meyers Squibb has developed a hydantoine type SARM named (7R,7aS) 2-chloro-4 (7-hydroxy-1,3-dioxotetrahydropyrrolo[1,2c]imidazol-2-yl) 3-methyl-benzonitrile, with the codename BMS 564929. [4] The synthesis of BMS 564929 is rather complicated. The right and the left part of the molecule each take five steps. Another three steps are necessary to put the two halves together and to finish the molecule.


    BMS 564929 binds well to the androgen receptor and not to the other steroid receptors. BMS 564929 has no interactions with SHBG and it does not inhibit aromatase. Tests with rats show a better anabolic activity then testosterone propionate at the same dose, and a low androgenic activity. At higher doses BMS 564929 does inhibit the hypothalamus and\or the pituary and in this way lowers the secretion of LH and FSH.


    An X-ray of the complex of BMS 564929 with the LBD of the androgen receptor shows some differences between BMS 564929 and dihydrotestosterone in their interaction with the LBD of the receptor. These differences seem to be large enough to enable mediation of the anabolic effect in the muscles and not the androgenic effect in the prostate. It is not yet completely clear how to explain all the differences.


    BMS 564929 is orally available and metabolic transformations are slower then in the proionamide SARM's. The halflife time varies from eight to fourteen hours, and a low dose is possible.


    Critical reviews and comments in the scientific literature generally are positive about SARM's. [8] [9] It is however also clear that more research is necessary.


    The anabolic steroids have ended up ultimately in the grey and black zone of doping and designer supplements. Maybe that will happen also with SARM's in the future. There are however a few differences between SARM's and anabolic steroids.


    A SARM with high anabolic activity that is attractive for sportsmen and bodybuilders, still has to be found. When this will happen, the makers of designer SARM's and illegal supplements have a problem. It is not that easy to change the structure of a SARM a bit, to enhance its anabolic activity or to circumvent patents. Any minor change in its chemical structure may change an agonist into an antagonist. This last remark should be a warning for chemical sportsmen that are offered designer SARM's. They just as well may have an opposite effect.


    [1] Gao W.; Kim J. and Dalton J.T. Pharmaceutical Research (2006) 23, 1641-1658. .
    [2] Gao W.and Dalton J.W. Drug Discovery Today (2007) 12, 241-248 .
    [3] Bohl C.E.; Miller D.D.; Chen J.; Bell C.E. and Dalton J.T. J. Biol. Chem. (2005) 280, 37747-37754.
    [4] Ostrovski J.; Kuhns J.E.; Lupisella J.A.; Manfredi M.C.; Beehler B.C.; Krystek S.R.; Bi Y.; Sun C.; Seethala R.; Golla B.; Sleph P.G.; Fura A.; An Y.; Kish K.F.; Sack J.S.; Mookhtiar K.A.; Grover G.J. and Hamann L.G. Endocrinology (2007) 148, 4-12.
    [5] An agonist for the androgen receptor is a synthetic compound that binds with the receptor. The complex gives the same natural follow up as the complexes of the natural ligands testosterone and dihydrotestosterone.
    [6] An antagonist for the androgen receptor is a synthetic compound that does bind to the receptor, but the complex does not give any of the natural follow up processes.
    [7] An anti-androgen is a synthetic compound that competes with the natural ligands for binding with the androgen receptor. The complex does not give the natural follow up processes.
    [8] Brown T.R. Endocrinology (2004) 145, 5417-5419.
    [9] Wilson E.M. Endocrinology (2007) 148, 1-3.

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    very good stuff. What are some of the SARMS aside Ostarine & S4??
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    very good stuff. What are some of the SARMS aside Ostarine & S4??
    S1, C6, and S22
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    very good stuff. What are some of the SARMS aside Ostarine & S4??
    the article talks about 5 sarms which are currently in research, with ostarine & s4 being two of the 5.
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    Do you think it would be beneficial to run a low dose serm such as nolvadex for say 1-2 weeks after a 4-6 week cycle of mk2866?

    Is there anything you would suggest to run along side mk2866 to counter any hpta shutdown?
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    the word "shut down" is misleading. hpta function is actually suppressed, but it rarely ever stops.

    the goal is to keep the testes sensitive to the effects of lh. I'd imagine a simple test booster would help this.
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    Is S22 Ostarine for sure (seems a yes based on a question on the 1st page)? Because I was under the impression its half life was just under 24 hrs, not 6. If its not S22, where is Ostarine referenced on the 1st page?
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    Quote Originally Posted by droad87 View Post
    Do you think it would be beneficial to run a low dose serm such as nolvadex for say 1-2 weeks after a 4-6 week cycle of mk2866?

    Is there anything you would suggest to run along side mk2866 to counter any hpta shutdown?
    I always tell people to do a low dose serm run after running osta and such. DAA is a a good addition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hewhoisripped View Post
    I always tell people to do a low dose serm run after running osta and such. DAA is a a good addition.
    How long would it take one to recover without the SERM? (just out of curiousity)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    How long would it take one to recover without the SERM? (just out of curiousity)
    not sure, it would be individual + haven't seen enough bloodwork to really know. I had bloodwork drawn a week or two after an 8 week 30mg osta cycle and test was like 200, jumped on clomid for four weeks, tested 8 weeks after osta stopped and was back to normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hewhoisripped View Post
    not sure, it would be individual + haven't seen enough bloodwork to really know. I had bloodwork drawn a week or two after an 8 week 30mg osta cycle and test was like 200, jumped on clomid for four weeks, tested 8 weeks after osta stopped and was back to normal.
    Interesting. Research grade or brand name supp?
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