How does this look for 1st cycle?

[dMann009]

I'm new here and wanted to see how my ph cycle is looking BTW this is my 2nd cycle (not sure why I said 1st...), let me know if I need to add more support or whatnot. Thanks! .. I'll also be on a multi the whole time.
Age - 21
Weight - 170

Week 1 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 2 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 3 - Mdrol 20/20/20/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 4 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 5 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 6 - Mdrol 30/30/30/40/40/40/40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 7 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 8 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 9 - PCT Nolvadex 20 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 10 - PCT Nolvadex 20mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine

Any feedback?

 

[Boagrius]

I'm new here and wanted to see how my ph cycle is looking BTW this is my 2nd cycle (not sure why I said 1st...), let me know if I need to add more support or whatnot. Thanks! .. I'll also be on a multi the whole time.
Age - 21
Weight - 170

Week 1 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 2 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 3 - Mdrol 20/20/20/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 4 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 5 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 6 - Mdrol 30/30/30/40/40/40/40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 7 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 8 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 9 - PCT Nolvadex 20 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 10 - PCT Nolvadex 20mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine

Any feedback?

Honestly, im not a fan of Mdrol so i cant really help you there. However, i would choose a different PCT. Nolvadex is pretty weak compared to others. I really like a mixture of Inhibit-E and Formadrol Extreme. Also, start the creatine during the cycle so its already in your system by the time you do your PCT.

 

[dMann009]

Honestly, im not a fan of Mdrol so i cant really help you there. However, i would choose a different PCT. Nolvadex is pretty weak compared to others. I really like a mixture of Inhibit-E and Formadrol Extreme. Also, start the creatine during the cycle so its already in your system by the time you do your PCT.

I already paid for the Nolvadex so I guess ill just stick with that. But if I started the creatine at week 5 would that be better? And why aren't you a fan of Mdrol?

 

[DBdude]

Honestly, im not a fan of Mdrol so i cant really help you there. However, i would choose a different PCT. Nolvadex is pretty weak compared to others. I really like a mixture of Inhibit-E and Formadrol Extreme. Also, start the creatine during the cycle so its already in your system by the time you do your PCT.

I think your mixing this up with novadex by Gaspari.

M-drol is the most potent legal designer steroid, run a few more cycles if this is only your 2nd time. Your dosing it high for the max time. But if you go for it you could check out a nolva/clomid pct for both rebound gyno protection and best HPTA function restoration.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Whoa I'm hoping that guy got the words Nolvadex and Novadex mixed up.

Never rely on a OTC supp to replace your PCT especially with something as harsh as superdrol. Your pct looks great IMO. I would also maybe recommend running an AI like Formestane or Inhibit E on cycle to keep the estrogen low and prevent gyno.

And also look into a natural testosterone supp for when your Nolva supply dries up. Just to help solidify those strength gains.

 

[DBdude]

I would also maybe recommend running an AI like Formestane or Inhibit E on cycle to keep the estrogen low and prevent gyno.

superdrol is a dry compound

But for pct i would add a cortisol controle supp like lean xtreme

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

superdrol is a dry compound

But for pct i would add a cortisol controle supp like lean xtreme

Always been a staple for me, regardless of what cycle I'm on.

Yes on the cort control.

Forgot to mention taurine as well.

When I ran lean xtreme the first time post cycle I lost some weight which sucked. I gotta force myself to eat a lot post cycle

 

[dMann009]

I think your mixing this up with novadex by Gaspari.

M-drol is the most potent legal designer steroid, run a few more cycles if this is only your 2nd time. Your dosing it high for the max time. But if you go for it you could check out a nolva/clomid pct for both rebound gyno protection and best HPTA function restoration.

I got nolvadex tamoxifen.... not novadexfrom gaspari. My first ph was spawn about 5 months ago. What would you recommend for a 2nd cycle then? And would nolvadex with Inhibit E AND lean xtreme be better than my current pct?

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

No add the Inhibit E and lean xtreme with your pct, inhibit e being completely up to you though...

 

[DBdude]

I got nolvadex tamoxifen.... not novadexfrom gaspari. My first ph was spawn about 5 months ago. What would you recommend for a 2nd cycle then? And would nolvadex with Inhibit E AND lean xtreme be better than my current pct?

well spawn is
Estra-4,9-diene-3,17dione 30mg ---> This is Tren

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallocholanol 8mg---> This is Epistane

I haven't had any experience with spawn, but I used Epistane before. I would recommend Superdrol's little bro Dymethazine. Its 2 Superdrol molecules bonded together but isn't as strong. Dose it at 15/30/30/30 for 4 weeks.

As for the pct, use nolva with the lean extreme. Inhibit-E would be fine, But kiss your libido goodbye

And agreed, get taurine, 5-10g/day should suffice

 

[gymrat827]

I'm new here and wanted to see how my ph cycle is looking BTW this is my 2nd cycle (not sure why I said 1st...), let me know if I need to add more support or whatnot. Thanks! .. I'll also be on a multi the whole time.
Age - 21
Weight - 170

Week 1 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 2 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 3 - Mdrol 20/20/20/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 4 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 5 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 6 - Mdrol 30/30/30/40/40/40/40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 7 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 8 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 9 - PCT Nolvadex 20 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 10 - PCT Nolvadex 20mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine

Any feedback?

Dude are you kidding?? Your 21 and going to run a sh!t ton of SD as your 1st cycle??

And at 40mg?? and your never going to be the same afterwards with your PCT lineup.

Feedback, DONT DO IT. Run the creatine and read on this site for 6 months.

 

[gymrat827]

Look into H drol or Epistane instead. You need some cycle assist, and a real PCT lineup.

Natural T booster
Anti Estrogen
Creatine
SERM
Cortisol control

 

[2die4]

Look into H drol or Epistane instead. You need some cycle assist, and a real PCT lineup.

Natural T booster
Anti Estrogen
Creatine
SERM
Cortisol control

The best advise

 

[waynaferd]

I would stay at 20...I did 2 cycles at that dose and made good gains....and I outweigh you by almost 90 pounds, LOL.....

My 3rd time around on mdrol I did bump up to 30 on the last 2 weeks.

 

[SpmnE9zero]

I honestly think you should do some more research before cycling. I am not going to tell you not to cycle at all as that is what most will tell you, but at least know what you are doing before you do it.

First - Your Cycle Assist you are showing in your PCT is what you would use to get your Milk Thistle and Hawthorn Berry extract from as that is what it is meant to do. So you dont want to take that as a PCT but a pre cycle (if you will) to load with. This will give you your liver / kidney / BP support and continue usage thruout the cycle of mdrol.

Second - 40mg Mdrol for your first cycle is a ri**** amount of ****, I know vets who wont use this amount of Mdrol. Mdrol is pretty toxic!

Third - Instead of your Cycle Assist as part of your post cycle therapy, use CEL's PCT along side the Nolva as that is its intended use.


I hate to tell you this, but if you follow this cycle your hormones are going to be a wreck!

Trust me, do some research first as you are way off base.

 

[Boagrius]

Whoa I'm hoping that guy got the words Nolvadex and Novadex mixed up.

Never rely on a OTC supp to replace your PCT especially with something as harsh as superdrol. Your pct looks great IMO. I would also maybe recommend running an AI like Formestane or Inhibit E on cycle to keep the estrogen low and prevent gyno.

And also look into a natural testosterone supp for when your Nolva supply dries up. Just to help solidify those strength gains.

Damn, yea i totally mixed that one up. Definitely stick with the Nolvadex, the OTC i said don't even compare. I never experimented with M-drol cause I really liked stacking PH's and I don't want it to be too harsh on my body. I just don't get a kick from one anymore.

 

[SpmnE9zero]

I have a friend who started out at 20mg's a day and developed a lump in his chest in two weeks!

I rec starting at 10mg's for first two weeks and bumping to 20mg's for 2nd two weeks for your first or second cycle.

You will still get great gains from this.

Also if you choose not to take the Cycle Assist as a "pre-cycle" I can assure you, you will develop joint pain in a week on Mdrol!

 

[drofwarc]

As for the pct, use nolva with the lean extreme. Inhibit-E would be fine, But kiss your libido goodbye

here what does DBdide refer tonas kiss your libido goodbye? Does he mean with the current pct or ? I'm a lil confused that is all

 

[dMann009]

Look into H drol or Epistane instead. You need some cycle assist, and a real PCT lineup.

Natural T booster
Anti Estrogen
Creatine
SERM
Cortisol control

Ok thanks for all the feedback.. So week 1 through 6 run milk thistle 2000mg AND cycle assist, also mdrol at 10/20/20/20 30 last week if I can handle it. Also for pct it'll be running nolva 40/40/20/20 , creatine starting week 4, a natty t booster, lean xtreme, and pct assist. I'll also have some taurine on hand just incase... Is this looking better? If not what else
Edit.. Milk thistle throughout whole cycle and pct

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Look into H drol or Epistane instead. You need some cycle assist, and a real PCT lineup.

Natural T booster
Anti Estrogen
Creatine
SERM
Cortisol control

Perfect. The Testosterone Replacement Stack is perfect for anti-estrogen, cortisol control and for boosting Natty T levels. SERM is definitely a must.

Creatine can be found from Primordial as well :afro:

Ok thanks for all the feedback.. So week 1 through 6 run milk thistle 2000mg AND cycle assist, also mdrol at 10/20/20/20 30 last week if I can handle it. Also for pct it'll be running nolva 40/40/20/20 , creatine starting week 4, a natty t booster, lean xtreme, and pct assist. I'll also have some taurine on hand just incase... Is this looking better? If not what else
Edit.. Milk thistle throughout whole cycle and pct

Don't forget the SERM bro.

 

[DBdude]

here what does DBdide refer tonas kiss your libido goodbye? Does he mean with the current pct or ? I'm a lil confused that is all

Inhibit-E destroys libido, it did for me and my friend. but maybe it will treat him better

 

[dMann009]

Don't flame me for this.. You say I need a SERM.. isn't nolvadex tamoxifen a SERM..?

 

[DBdude]

Nolva is a serm, He probably missed it while reading.

 

[Super]

your length of cycle and dosing are kind of crazy for a first timer.

If it were me I'd keep the cycle going no longer than 4 weeks and the dosing no higher than 20mg


at the rate you got going there in your cycle layout, you will feel like complete **** by week 4, trust me

 

[dMann009]

So would my pct of nolva 40/40/20/20, natty t booster, lean xtreme, creatine starting week 4, pct assist, milk thistle, fishoil and taurine be better?

On cycle is mdrol 10/20/20/20..30 if sides are low, cycle assist, fishoil, taurine, multi, milk thistle

Missing anything now?

 

[Super]

your length of cycle and dosing are kind of crazy for a first timer.

If it were me I'd keep the cycle going no longer than 4 weeks and the dosing no higher than 20mg


at the rate you got going there in your cycle layout, you will feel like complete **** by week 4, trust me

 

[Super]

So would my pct of nolva 40/40/20/20, natty t booster, lean xtreme, creatine starting week 4, pct assist, milk thistle, fishoil and taurine be better?

On cycle is mdrol 10/20/20/20..30 if sides are low, cycle assist, fishoil, taurine, multi, milk thistle

Missing anything now?

that looks much better, but your dosing of Nolva in PCT is rather high. 40mg of Nolva isn't going to do more than 20mg of Nolva would

 

[dMann009]

your length of cycle and dosing are kind of crazy for a first timer.

If it were me I'd keep the cycle going no longer than 4 weeks and the dosing no higher than 20mg


at the rate you got going there in your cycle layout, you will feel like complete **** by week 4, trust me

This is actually my 2nd ph cycle. I messed up in the title. I did Spawn months ago.

 

[AndrewNico]

unless your lifts are huge, Id hold off on mdrol for a year or so.

 

[dMann009]

unless your lifts are huge, Id hold off on mdrol for a year or so.

My lifts are fair for my weight... I fluctuate between 165-170lbs
Bench - 265
Squat - 315
Dead - 405

 

[AndrewNico]

yeah Id hold off. Im a little higher than you in lifts and around 170 myself. Planned out an mdrol 11oxo bridge and decided to put it on hold while I was still gaining strength and weight naturally.

When I thought about it, if Im still getting stronger and bigger on my own, why do I need that stuff? Couldnt find an answer so here I am lol.

 

[dMann009]

yeah Id hold off. Im a little higher than you in lifts and around 170 myself. Planned out an mdrol 11oxo bridge and decided to put it on hold while I was still gaining strength and weight naturally.

When I thought about it, if Im still getting stronger and bigger on my own, why do I need that stuff? Couldnt find an answer so here I am lol.

What are your lifts like?

 

[AndrewNico]

bench 275
squat 355
dead 465

all going up

 

[dMann009]

Another question, If I get Inhibit E how would I dose it?

 

[R1balla]

I'm new here and wanted to see how my ph cycle is looking BTW this is my 2nd cycle (not sure why I said 1st...), let me know if I need to add more support or whatnot. Thanks! .. I'll also be on a multi the whole time.
Age - 21
Weight - 170

Week 1 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 2 - Preload Milk Thistle 2000 mg
Week 3 - Mdrol 20/20/20/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 4 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 5 - Mdrol 30/30/30/30/30/30/30 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 6 - Mdrol 30/30/30/40/40/40/40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps
Week 7 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 8 - PCT Nolvadex 40 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 9 - PCT Nolvadex 20 mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine
Week 10 - PCT Nolvadex 20mg, Cycle Assist 4 caps, Fish oil 2 caps, Creatine

Any feedback?

I would NOT run mdrol as my second cycle. i wouldnt even run a cycle at your age. but if you choose to do so, it looks pretty good except for a few things that, if it was me, i would add in.

PCT looks decent. i would add a natty test booster. maybe something like Free Test. also, after PCT, taking Prime by USP labs can be beneficial.

For your second cycle, it looks very well put together. I would just like to have Prime as my after PCT product and take a natty test booster with PCT (Nolva or Clomid). I would def go 3 caps spread out throughout the day with the third being before bed. :afro:

 

[dMann009]

I would NOT run mdrol as my second cycle. i wouldnt even run a cycle at your age. but if you choose to do so, it looks pretty good except for a few things that, if it was me, i would add in.

PCT looks decent. i would add a natty test booster. maybe something like Free Test. also, after PCT, taking Prime by USP labs can be beneficial.

For your second cycle, it looks very well put together. I would just like to have Prime as my after PCT product and take a natty test booster with PCT (Nolva or Clomid). I would def go 3 caps spread out throughout the day with the third being before bed. :afro:

I decided im going to do Mdrol as my 2nd cycle. But would NOW Tribulus 1000 be a good natty test booster? Its a lot cheaper than Free Test. And would I start taking it the 1st day of PCT? And a natty test booster will be fine with my nolva right?

 

[AndrewNico]

PCT looks decent. i would add a natty test booster. maybe something like Free Test. also, after PCT, taking Prime by USP labs can be beneficial.

For your second cycle, it looks very well put together. I would just like to have Prime as my after PCT product and take a natty test booster with PCT (Nolva or Clomid). I would def go 3 caps spread out throughout the day with the third being before bed. :afro:

Prime is non-hormonal and is a water chesnut. Would not waste my time or money on it (yes I have tried it)

I decided im going to do Mdrol as my 2nd cycle. But would NOW Tribulus 1000 be a good natty test booster? Its a lot cheaper than Free Test. And would I start taking it the 1st day of PCT? And a natty test booster will be fine with my nolva right?

Tribulus does not affect your testosterone levels.

Good test boosters for use in pct would be: activate xtreme(start week 3 of pct), bioforge(start day 1), tforce(start week 3). There are others of course but these are my favorites.

If you have inhibite you can use it in your pct although its better to use post-pct.

 

[gymrat827]

Your are too young and do not have enough PH/AAS experience to warrant a cycle of SD. You dont need something that powerfull. Please please please run this cycle i am writing up for you. You will gain weight, lose BF, and all lifts will go up.

H Drol (helladrol)
50/75/75/100/100/50 Taper up & down. If you dont need 100 dont do it.

2wks pre cycle, 5caps of cycle assist at bedtime, 3caps fish oil, 2caps CLA, ON opti mens multi vit. On cycle: 7g fish oil (break into 3 doses) 3g CLA, 1.5-2g Cissus,8 caps cycle assist pre bedtime, multi vit, 40/40/20 macro's. At least 325g pro a day, 350 carb,70-100g fat.

PCT:
Titanium, 4000 IU vit D, DHEA 50mg, ERASE,SERM, Creatine. Start the DHEA day 12 for cort control, also run the ERASE at 2 caps per day til the bottle runs out. 2 caps is enough for Anti-E and to help DHEA control cortisol. Start all pct day 1,except dhea.

Run m drol after this cycle. Goodluck

 

[DBdude]

H Drol (helladrol)
50/75/75/100/100/50 Taper up & down. If you dont need 100 dont do it.

Why taper down in the last week?

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Why taper down in the last week?

Wondering the same...I wouldn't taper down. Taper up to assess your sides/gains ratio, tapering down isn't gonna do anything with h-drol.

 

[dMann009]

Your are too young and do not have enough PH/AAS experience to warrant a cycle of SD. You dont need something that powerfull. Please please please run this cycle i am writing up for you. You will gain weight, lose BF, and all lifts will go up.

H Drol (helladrol)
50/75/75/100/100/50 Taper up & down. If you dont need 100 dont do it.

2wks pre cycle, 5caps of cycle assist at bedtime, 3caps fish oil, 2caps CLA, ON opti mens multi vit. On cycle: 7g fish oil (break into 3 doses) 3g CLA, 1.5-2g Cissus,8 caps cycle assist pre bedtime, multi vit, 40/40/20 macro's. At least 325g pro a day, 350 carb,70-100g fat.

PCT:
Titanium, 4000 IU vit D, DHEA 50mg, ERASE,SERM, Creatine. Start the DHEA day 12 for cort control, also run the ERASE at 2 caps per day til the bottle runs out. 2 caps is enough for Anti-E and to help DHEA control cortisol. Start all pct day 1,except dhea.

Run m drol after this cycle. Goodluck

I appreciate the write up bro. But why Hdrol > Mdrol? I know Mdrol is more toxic, but are there any other reasons?

 

[DYEGYE]

Wondering the same...I wouldn't taper down. Taper up to assess your sides/gains ratio, tapering down isn't gonna do anything with h-drol.

Except maybe keep you from having gains in the first week of PCT :28:


And for the OP- The reason that most people suggest H-drol is that it is an easy cycle to run, with minimal sides. On top of that, you still get quality gains. 15 lbs is not unheard of. PCT is easy, just run Tamox or Torem at conservative doses (nolva 20/20/10/10). Also, at your body weight, you need to consider dosing on all of these things very carefully. At 165 you absolutely do not need to be going over 75 mg of H-drol unless you are a weak responder, which you wouldn't know until about week 3 or 4.

 

[rulk22]

For methylated compounds, id take better care of my liver and use Liver Juice and NAC. Perhaps even pulse Sustain Alpha 2 on 3 off, or something similar to that.

 

[dMann009]

Does an Hdrol cycle have to be 6 weeks? Or can you run it at 4?

 

[AndrewNico]

6 weeks / 2 bottles(60 caps each) of whichever halodrol clone you want.

It can be run at 4 weeks, but its not going to be too helpful

 

[DYEGYE]

6 weeks is the way to go for Halodrol.

 

[gymrat827]

I like to taper down to help maintain gains. You could do exactly what i said and run just 100mg the last wk instead of 50mg....

I just dont see the need to run something like SD when you could run something half as toxic, harmful, supressive, etc.

Most people run halo for 6wks because it takes about 15-18 days to start seeing gains. It normally stops working after 6wks/45 days so thats why people dont run it longer than that.