M4OHN- Post your results!!
- 06-23-2004, 11:32 PM
- 06-23-2004, 11:46 PM
06-24-2004, 12:23 AM
A few people have tried it and had decent results (cycle info section). It seems you don't get large amounts of wait gain and encounter some leaning out.....from what I've read. It also seems that m4ohn is more of a stacking compound, much like 4oht. As stand alone you will prolly not see gains like you do on m1t and others. You'll get less sides, which most of the times means less gains. When stacked with other ph's I'm sure it's an excellent agent.
For example, from reading the different cycle logs and seeing what kind of gains people reported, I know I will not see the kinds of gains I want. So, I'll add 1-test/4ad dermal to m4ohn to really kick things up. I was even thinking of using m5aa for 2wks to help kick things off....then run 4wks of m4ohn all while running the dermal and not stacking methyls. Just a few ideas for you guys to think about.
06-24-2004, 12:25 AM
Yes I do visit there everyday. There are a total of 5 logs, 2 of which have been updated in the last 3 days. All I'm saying is that there were 45 people viewing DS's section of the board 2 nights ago waiting for M4OHN to go on sale again. 45 people viewing one thread!! I just want to hear more about this compound from people who have used it, not what it might be on paper.
06-24-2004, 09:27 AM
I am ending a 6 week cycle of M4OHN tommorow. I started at 10mg, & increased to 20mg over the 1st week. After 2 weeks, I had no noticed no gains of any type- no muscle hardness, vascularity, nothing. I was taking tri-max so I lost about 8lbs & a good deal of strength. I added 1-test in week 3 & gradually put the strength back on & gained about 10lbs. I definitely lost muscle on the tri-max. So I am up 2 net lbs with BF the same. My strength has gotten back to about normal. I honestly think the gains are coming from the 1-test more than the m4OHN. It is only mildly anabolic, I don't know where all these ideas came from that it's great for strength, etc. If stacked with 1-test, only then will it meet the type of expectations everyone seem to have. It's a great combo.
I keep seeing posts that guys are gonna run M4OHN alone at 12mg for a month. I would be shocked if that yielded any gains at all. My feeling is that you need to either dose it high 20mg or more or stack it & you need 6 weeks on it, as it doesnt kick in for 2 weeks. It's good for mild gains (2-3lbs) & I would buy more, but only in powder. The tabs are only 4-5mg & expensive so you'd probably need 3 bottles of tabs to run a decent cycle. Not worth the money that way.
06-24-2004, 10:04 AM
LD, do you think it would be mild enough to run with 1T/4AD trans as a first or second cycle? If so, would you start it a couple weeks earlier than the trans?
06-24-2004, 10:10 AM
Yeah it's mild enough, but that may be overkill- especially for a 2nd cycle, I'd use either 1-test OR 4ad with the M4OHN depending on goals for the cycle.Originally Posted by -2z-
I would start both at the same time. The M4OHN takes 10 days or so to kick in, but 1t/4ad take about 2 weeks.
06-24-2004, 10:20 AM
LD, is the M4ohn enough to overcome the lethergy and associated with 1-test or does one still need to add 4ad?
I was thinking of making my next stack 1-test and M4ohn, but am slightly hesitant since I have never ran 1-test without something to help me combat the sides.
After you finish the trimax, how did your body react to combining the two compounds?
06-24-2004, 11:51 AM
Yeah, M4OHN offset the lethargy very well. I've had very little lethargy & really no other sides. This is a great stack, & I will run it again. It's perfect for summer, no bloating at all. Surprisingly easy on the libido too. This has been the least sides I've ever had on a cycle. Those looking to gain 10bs or more will be dissapointed, but for it's purpose its a great stack.Originally Posted by stindevil
06-24-2004, 11:58 AM
06-24-2004, 12:01 PM
longdog what do u recomend stackin it with?? i've been on it about 2 weeks now at 20 mg a day and havent noticed much yet maybe some hardness if anything....i want to run it for 4 more weeks,,,what do u think would be good for some Lean body mass?
06-24-2004, 12:39 PM
How much below maintenance levels did you cut your calories to (if you did)? Maybe the dieting and Trimax were too much for the mild anabolic effects of M4OHN. M4OHN may be overhyped, but maybe it would work okay for cutting without the trimax.
06-24-2004, 12:55 PM
this is exactly how i feel. i ran M4OHN for 5 weeks at 10mg/day and really didn't see anything until 2-3 weeks down the line. i might have gained 2-3 pounds off it by weeks 3-4, but i stacked it with 4-ad, M5aa for the last 3 weeks and M1T for the last 5 days to get a 3-4pound overall gain with no loss in BF. Although M4OHN made me feel like a million bucks, it was very mild at 10mg. my next cycle i will start off at 20mg and stack it with ?Originally Posted by Longdog
06-24-2004, 01:11 PM
06-24-2004, 01:12 PM
bulking on mohn
Many people don't want to bulk with this stuff but that's what i'm doing. You need to take in higher doses in my opinion. I started off at 10 mg ED for 1 week, went to 20 for the 2nd, and 30 for 3 weeks now. Going 7 weeks overall.
I started at 200-205 and am now 217+. Most of this weight gain didn't start till after 2 weeks. I increased my carbs, 1.5 cups of oatmeal every 3 hours instead of 1 cup. that's all. I did gain a little fat and in my opinion that was because I upped the carbs too soon before the stuff kicked in. But overall i'd say definitely most was muscle.
I still train each body part, except calves, every 2 weeks. I tried more frequently but I couldn't recover. I think way too many people overtrain or not heavy enough and that's why they don't gain weight.
I will post pics after my cycle and give more info on my background. natural test levels are dropping now... loss of libido after first 3.5 weeks. Acne, which i'm prone to, is barely anything. hairloss has not changed either.
Obtaining powder was key for this stuff if you want to run good doses at a reasonable cost.
Last edited by swany; 06-24-2004 at 05:44 PM.
06-24-2004, 01:13 PM
06-24-2004, 01:24 PM
I'm planning on throwing some in with my Test cycle.
Just paranoid about hair, but at 12mg/day it cant be too bad. Im taking finasteride so it should be ok.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche
06-24-2004, 02:11 PM
06-24-2004, 02:15 PM
I stayed at maintenance & lost about 8bs in 2 weeks. I upped cals gradually to about 400 over maint., starting in week 3. The M4OHN was not enough counter muscle loss from trimax. I think M4OHN would be great for normal cutting though.Originally Posted by jas123
06-24-2004, 02:29 PM
Ya, it shouldnt be at all. Because of the nandrolones alteration it doesnt react with finasteride like normal nandrolone would. We all know Deca and finasteride is a major No No.Originally Posted by Pec
Even if it does cause some slight shedding in people it cant be worse than the 500mg/wk Test im already on or the 25mg/day Dbol I used to kickstart it.
Im just nervous about using a new compound that hasnt been "battle tested" all that well. Anyway, i thought it might stack nicely with Test. Im not paying for anavar and I can't run normal Deca because of the finasteride.
Im debating on stocking up on some m4ohn. I just dont know if its worth it yet. Wish there was more time to evaluate it.
What about m4oht? This is basically the same thing as m4ohn except with Test? How does it compare? I havent been following it much lately....
That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche
06-24-2004, 02:39 PM
about to do the same thing and 4ad also and it will be on a bulk....starting when i get back from vacationOriginally Posted by Manu20
06-24-2004, 03:51 PM
I used it at 15 mgs after a cutting cycle and gained about 3 lbs back rather quickly. This is not suprising as I was flat from cutting too hard. My strength gains came very slowly at this dosage and the pumps were pretty mild. I got some mild body composition changes and some volumization out of a 4 week cycle with it. Practically no sides to speak of which is rare for me. My acne always inflames on androgens and it barely did so with M4ohn.
Next time I will stack it and run it at a higher dosage. I don't think we really know what dosage to push this stuff to yet.
06-24-2004, 04:21 PM
I'm on day 4, upped dosage from 12 to 16 on day 2. I'm cutting drastically with a PSMF (protein sparing modified fast), so cals are between 1000 - 1500, almost all protein. So far, I've liked it - strength has been good and I like the CNS boost. Also have had some decent hardness, but I'm guessing that will go away as I get more depleted.
06-24-2004, 04:31 PM
Give me about 1 1/2 weeks and I will start my log for my 1-Test Cyp(600-800mg weekly)/M4OHN(30mg/day) 6 week cycle(the 1-Test Cyp. will only be for 5 weeks).
06-24-2004, 04:42 PM
06-24-2004, 06:17 PM
Because I have a vacation coming up and I'm not taking this stuff with me. My last day of M4OHN is the day I leave for 2 weeks, for fun and sun. I don't mind taking some Clo with me but I'm not lugging a bunch of needles to the beach. My original plan was for a 10 week cycle but the vacation is in the way.
06-24-2004, 07:51 PM
06-24-2004, 11:08 PM
I plan on swimming, tanning, sexing, you name it. Transdermal just isn't an option. Plus, I don't plan on lifting for the 2 weeks.
06-24-2004, 11:43 PM
I am 4.5 weeks in my cycle of M4OHN. I started off at 20mg/day and then after 2 weeks increased it to 30mg/day. I am on a cutting cycle and I have been eating under maintenance cals. I started at 188 and I now am at 183, however, I have not lost any strength and I have noticed increased pumps and vascularity. So for cutting I give it a thumbs up. Also my balls still seem to be the same size, so I have a feeling that I will not be too shutdown when I stop my cycle in a few days.
06-25-2004, 09:46 AM
That's the only problem I see with M4OHN. You need to run it at 20-30mg/day for it to be effective. You would need several bottles of tabs for a 6-week cycle at 30mg & it would cost around $200. The only economical way to run it is buying powder.Originally Posted by Ttokkyo Jack
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