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What's up AM.... I got a question hopefully some people could shed some light upon whether from personal experience or knowledge. I'm planning on running my 4th cycle. This will be my first cut cycle and the first time I'm stacking and not running a solo PH.
- 5 week cut cycle-
CEL H-Drol 75/75/75/75/75
CEL Furuza-A 300/300/350/350/350
PP Dermacrine 5mL 2X ED
Okay now that's that out of the way I was wondering if I could throw in a fat burner in the mix for example OEP? Has anyone ever done this? Just wondering if it would be to much on my BP. I have plenty of support supps while on cycle and through PCT. Also I'm not running a preworkout only during PCT. Anyone have any comments questions or concerns on running a fat burner while on cycle? Thanks everyone
 
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What's up AM.... I got a question hopefully some people could shed some light upon whether from personal experience or knowledge. I'm planning on running my 4th cycle. This will be my first cut cycle and the first time I'm stacking and not running a solo PH.
- 5 week cut cycle-
CEL H-Drol 75/75/75/75/75
CEL Furuza-A 300/300/350/350/350
PP Dermacrine 5mL 2X ED
Okay now that's that out of the way I was wondering if I could throw in a fat burner in the mix for example OEP? Has anyone ever done this? Just wondering if it would be to much on my BP. I have plenty of support supps while on cycle and through PCT. Also I'm not running a preworkout only during PCT. Anyone have any comments questions or concerns on running a fat burner while on cycle? Thanks everyone
There's some people that will tell you to be cautious because of Bp issues, but IMO if it dosen't bother you than go for it. I often run a fatburner with my
ps/ph steroids and never haves issues with my blood pressure
 
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What's up AM.... I got a question hopefully some people could shed some light upon whether from personal experience or knowledge. I'm planning on running my 4th cycle. This will be my first cut cycle and the first time I'm stacking and not running a solo PH.
- 5 week cut cycle-
CEL H-Drol 75/75/75/75/75
CEL Furuza-A 300/300/350/350/350
PP Dermacrine 5mL 2X ED
Okay now that's that out of the way I was wondering if I could throw in a fat burner in the mix for example OEP? Has anyone ever done this? Just wondering if it would be to much on my BP. I have plenty of support supps while on cycle and through PCT. Also I'm not running a preworkout only during PCT. Anyone have any comments questions or concerns on running a fat burner while on cycle? Thanks everyone
You're doing a cut cycle and using hormonals that will provide more than adequate fat loss - there is no need to add a fat burner into the mix.

Not only that, but it's not recommended to use fat burners during hormonal cycles, because it has the potential to cause serious problems with blood pressure - especially if the fat burner contains stimulants.

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idk that its so bad to throw a non-stimulant fat burner in the mix but don't forget the 3 more important issues -- diet, diet, diet -- what is your diet plan on this cycle?
 
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idk that its so bad to throw a non-stimulant fat burner in the mix but don't forget the 3 more important issues -- diet, diet, diet -- what is your diet plan on this cycle?
I agree not only will it help accelerate fatloss it will give you a nice burst of Energy, which I love.
 
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idk that its so bad to throw a non-stimulant fat burner in the mix but don't forget the 3 more important issues -- diet, diet, diet -- what is your diet plan on this cycle?
Well diet has never been my strong suit. I eat clean but I can do better. It's hard cause ~80% of my work traveling. So that's always makes it hard to find the right options in a hotel. With that been said I'm usually around 2700-3200 cals. I keeps carbs low and mostly always complex from pre and post workout. With sundays my carb load day. I'm going to try to cut bread out of my diet and stay around 2:1 protein/bodyweight ratio. Mostly healthy fats around 80grams. Probably going to be going 500cals under maintenance maybe more with a s*** ton of cardio. Kinda unsure about what I should take my calories down to with this cut/cycle.
Any help with diet would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I dont think adding in a stimulant based fat burner is a good idea on cycle, but a nutrient partitioner would help along with a good diet, cardio, and training. The cycle you have outlined is similiar to the cut cycle I'll be running in the summer along with need2slin.:)
 

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You're doing a cut cycle and using hormonals that will provide more than adequate fat loss - there is no need to add a fat burner into the mix.

Not only that, but it's not recommended to use fat burners during hormonal cycles, because it has the potential to cause serious problems with blood pressure - especially if the fat burner contains stimulants.

~Rosie~
people for the most part don't give a flying F about blood pressure or arterial stress.

its just your heart afterall......
 
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people for the most part don't give a flying F about blood pressure or arterial stress.

its just your heart afterall......
Some people don't get bp problems no matter what they're on, like me for example.
 
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Some people don't get bp problems no matter what they're on, like me for example.
thats great, but BP isn't the only issue. HDL/LDL levels can be f*cked without high BP
 
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Lulz...nothing like a little extra bp for "support" on cycle eh? When trib/dhea/cialis doesn't cut it, just eat a bottle of yohimbine!
 
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thats great, but BP isn't the only issue. HDL/LDL levels can be f*cked without high BP
So then RickRock don't take fatburners on cycle. I'm telling him about my personal experience and they don't affect my bp or HDL/LDL anymore than taking the oral steroids alone. And i do get bloodwork done.
 

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well, for the non bionic men, and people not using prescription BP lowering meds thats usually not the case. also, what is your definition of a ''BP problem''? headaches or hypertension? just because you can't feel the BP, it doesnt mean its not causing arterial stress and possibly causing damage.


its whatever , though.
 

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Rickrock- never heard of need2slin is that something that would work good with this stack? I'm assuming it contains no stimulants
 
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So then RickRock don't take fatburners on cycle. I'm telling him about my personal experience and they don't affect my bp or HDL/LDL anymore than taking the oral steroids alone. And i do get bloodwork done.
I agree man. I wasn't disagreeing, just making the point that just because your BP is fine, doesn't mean that something isn't going on behind the scenes. And yep bloodwork is what anyone should be doing running cycles.
 
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well, for the non bionic men, and people not using prescription BP lowering meds thats usually not the case. also, what is your definition of a ''BP problem''? headaches or hypertension? just because you can't feel the BP, it doesnt mean its not causing arterial stress and possibly causing damage.


its whatever , though.
DO you seriously think that i'm the only one that takes fatburners on cycle?? CrazyChemist just posted that he dosen't find it to be too Crazy and i'll bet there are plenty of others. You make it seem like i'm saying it's ok to smoke crack on cycle. Superdrol alone is really hard on the body but people are willing to take it with precautions.I mean it's all risk to benefit and for me the bionic man i guess it's worth it
 
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I agree man. I wasn't disagreeing, just making the point that just because your BP is fine, doesn't mean that something isn't going on behind the scenes. And yep bloodwork is what anyone should be doing running cycles.
oh ok my bad.:shysmile:
 
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Well diet has never been my strong suit. I eat clean but I can do better. It's hard cause ~80% of my work traveling. So that's always makes it hard to find the right options in a hotel. With that been said I'm usually around 2700-3200 cals. I keeps carbs low and mostly always complex from pre and post workout. With sundays my carb load day. I'm going to try to cut bread out of my diet and stay around 2:1 protein/bodyweight ratio. Mostly healthy fats around 80grams. Probably going to be going 500cals under maintenance maybe more with a s*** ton of cardio. Kinda unsure about what I should take my calories down to with this cut/cycle.
Any help with diet would be greatly appreciated.
If your diet is your strong point I don't feel you need a fat burner. But if you do choose something stay away from stims.
 
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You're doing a cut cycle and using hormonals that will provide more than adequate fat loss - there is no need to add a fat burner into the mix.

Not only that, but it's not recommended to use fat burners during hormonal cycles, because it has the potential to cause serious problems with blood pressure - especially if the fat burner contains stimulants.

~Rosie~
idk that its so bad to throw a non-stimulant fat burner in the mix but don't forget the 3 more important issues -- diet, diet, diet -- what is your diet plan on this cycle?
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If you want to add some safe things look at:

Green Tea ECGC
Carnitine
CLA
small amount of caffine

No real need for something like OEP. i mean you could take something like Alpha T2 but the stuff above would be better on your body.

If you are some what solid on your diet & cardio you will lean out. hopefully it will encourage eating better and some HIT sessions which will lead to abs.
 
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Rosie what about alpha t2?
 
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Alot of people throw in t3 and clen in a cut cycle. Just saying....
 
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Well diet has never been my strong suit. I eat clean but I can do better. It's hard cause ~80% of my work traveling. So that's always makes it hard to find the right options in a hotel. With that been said I'm usually around 2700-3200 cals. I keeps carbs low and mostly always complex from pre and post workout. With sundays my carb load day. I'm going to try to cut bread out of my diet and stay around 2:1 protein/bodyweight ratio. Mostly healthy fats around 80grams. Probably going to be going 500cals under maintenance maybe more with a s*** ton of cardio. Kinda unsure about what I should take my calories down to with this cut/cycle.
Any help with diet would be greatly appreciated.
Here in lies the problem. Diet trumps supplements everytime. I know guys in my gym running everything under the sun, legal and illegal, and they still don't see the results some other guys are seeing naturally. Its tempting to call up room service or hit a local restaurant when ur away but you are traveling for work, not vacation. YOU ARE NOT ON VACATION - see where I'm going with this? You need to invest in a good set of tupperware and pack meals when ur away. No excuses, right? Find hotels with refridgerators or go to grocery stores. You don't need a full kitchen - steak and chicken are good cold over a salad and can be purchased precooked. Diners also are willing to grill up chicken cutlets for you if you asked (even when its not on the menu) - trust me, I do it all the time.

Anyone know of a good non stim fat burner you all would recommend?
As far as non-stim fat burners, DNP and thyroid supps top the list. Be careful with these and do your research. Feel free to PM me if you like.

DO you seriously think that i'm the only one that takes fatburners on cycle?? CrazyChemist just posted that he dosen't find it to be too Crazy and i'll bet there are plenty of others. You make it seem like i'm saying it's ok to smoke crack on cycle. Superdrol alone is really hard on the body but people are willing to take it with precautions.I mean it's all risk to benefit and for me the bionic man i guess it's worth it
Note that I said non-stimulant fat burners, although even clenbuterol isn't uncommon to pair with a PH. O and smoking a little crack is okay too if its a special occasion.

Alot of people throw in t3 and clen in a cut cycle. Just saying....
True and, even tho it has a bad rap, DNP is paired with AAS and PH as well. (I'm sure we'll get a few ppl chiming in, who have never run DNP, with how outrageous it is to even suggest going near DNP)
 

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Here in lies the problem. Diet trumps supplements everytime. I know guys in my gym running everything under the sun, legal and illegal, and they still don't see the results some other guys are seeing naturally. Its tempting to call up room service or hit a local restaurant when ur away but you are traveling for work, not vacation. YOU ARE NOT ON VACATION - see where I'm going with this? You need to invest in a good set of tupperware and pack meals when ur away. No excuses, right? Find hotels with refridgerators or go to grocery stores. You don't need a full kitchen - steak and chicken are good cold over a salad and can be purchased precooked. Diners also are willing to grill up chicken cutlets for you if you asked (even when its not on the menu) - trust me, I do it all the time.



As far as non-stim fat burners, DNP and thyroid supps top the list. Be careful with these and do your research. Feel free to PM me if you like.



Note that I said non-stimulant fat burners, although even clenbuterol isn't uncommon to pair with a PH. O and smoking a little crack is okay too if its a special occasion.


True and, even tho it has a bad rap, DNP is paired with AAS and PH as well. (I'm sure we'll get a few ppl chiming in, who have never run DNP, with how outrageous it is to even suggest going near DNP)
Hmmmm I did a quick search on DNP and from what people are sayin it kinda scares me a little. Anyone have any experience first hand with it. Looks very effective through... So tempting :)
 
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Hmmmm I did a quick search on DNP and from what people are sayin it kinda scares me a little. Anyone have any experience first hand with it. Looks very effective through... So tempting :)
That one will harm you alot quicker than some fatburners on cycle.
 

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That one will harm you alot quicker than some fatburners on cycle.
I agree... Not looking to make this cycle do any harm. Don't think I'm experienced enough to run it. I've been looking at running lean Xtreme for my non stim fat burner if I decide to run one at all.
 
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I agree... Not looking to make this cycle do any harm. Don't think I'm experienced enough to run it. I've been looking at running lean Xtreme for my non stim fat burner if I decide to run one at all.
Sounds good.
 
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Lean Xtreme would be good to throw in there like you said, but Need2slin would also be good. Its a nutrient partitioner and safe to take on cycle. They have it here at nutraplanet by NTBM. :)
 
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Hmmmm I did a quick search on DNP and from what people are sayin it kinda scares me a little. Anyone have any experience first hand with it. Looks very effective through... So tempting :)
Yes, I have first hand experience and have run it on cycle.

It has a bad rap for no real reason, as it is not more dangerous than many other things people use on this forum. The reason why people are scared of it is that there is no negative feedback loop for it. What I mean is, its common for people to run a low dose of a new compound and keep upping it until the sides become unbearable. With DNP, there are side effects (insomnia, sweating, heat intolerance) but you can up the dose and go from minor sides to dead.

That being said, 200-400mg is a safe dose and will not cause permanent damage in any larger risk that a PH if the user stays hydrated. Some ppl run 800-1200mg and this is where it gets dangerous. At doses beyond 1200mg the risk of cooking yourself to death is very real.

The cmpd is used in certain processing plants and a number of workers did inhale enough to cook themselves to death. Their reported body temperatures were over 102 degrees F, 48 hours post-mortem (at least that is how the cautionary tale is told).

That one will harm you alot quicker than some fatburners on cycle.
i dont necessarily agree. i mean it IS dangerous. But if youre smart then it can be run safely.

Lean Xtreme would be good to throw in there like you said, but Need2slin would also be good. Its a nutrient partitioner and safe to take on cycle. They have it here at nutraplanet by NTBM. :)
Agreed on both lean xtreme and Need2Slin.
 
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CrazyChemist, Both taken with precautions on cycle, fatburners with stimulants or DNP. You are much more likely to get harmful effects from the DNP. Do you disagree with this??
 
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CrazyChemist, Both taken with precautions on cycle, fatburners with stimulants or DNP. You are much more likely to get harmful effects from the DNP. Do you disagree with this??
Yes, strongly disagree. Taken with caution, what harmful effects do you anticipate from DNP, vida?
 
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If you use precautions with stims you might get jittery and maybee a little insomnia. But i'll take that any day over the dnp damage.
 
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um death, cataracts, brain damage from the overheating
:dunno: Cataracts have only been reported in females and after long-duration of usage. Death and brain damage from overheating would both be the result of an overdose and thus would not be a result of use with caution as we agreed to stipulate. Comparatively, a stimulant and a PH - both taken as directed - can both cause cardiovascular distress, and the combination can result in death or reduced lifespan.:dunno:

So... given the logical argument above - vidapreta, Both taken with precautions on cycle, fatburners with stimulants or DNP. You are much more likely to get harmful effects from the stimulants. Do you disagree with this??
 
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:dunno: Cataracts have only been reported in females and after long-duration of usage. Death and brain damage from overheating would both be the result of an overdose and thus would not be a result of use with caution as we agreed to stipulate. Comparatively, a stimulant and a PH - both taken as directed - can both cause cardiovascular distress, and the combination can result in death or reduced lifespan.:dunno:

So... given the logical argument above - vidapreta, Both taken with precautions on cycle, fatburners with stimulants or DNP. You are much more likely to get harmful effects from the stimulants. Do you disagree with this??
Not really seeing as DNP is not produced legitimately and is made illegaly in peoples basements/bathrooms or kitchen labs whatever, you never really know the exact dosage your taking. so those 2- 200 mg doses your taking could be alot more than you bargained for. You really are a CRAZY chemist to think dnp is safer.
 
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If you use precautions with stims you might get jittery and maybee a little insomnia. But i'll take that any day over the dnp damage.
I don't want to get into an argument here because we've both been trying to make a civil argument but it seems to me like 1) you have never run DNP and are believing the seriously overstated warnings that have been posted online and then regurgitated by other people that have never run dnp over-and-over again and 2) you are seriously underestimating the stress you put on your vessel walls and heart when u take a PH and when u take a stimulant.

In my minds, if the user sticks to the recommended dosage the risk of overdosing on a stimulant/PH or DNP/PH is equally unlikely, since both are safe when taken within the limits advised. Long-term effects of the stimulant are an arterial blowout or heart attack whereas DNP is cataracts in a very small fraction of women. No contest, DNP FTW.
 
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Comparatively, a stimulant and a PH - both taken as directed - can both cause cardiovascular distress, and the combination can result in death or reduced lifespan.:dunno:
That's a very weak argument your talking reduced lifespan over a long period of time. Death at 60 rather than 70 years old. I'm talking immediate death, no comparison.
 
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Not really seeing as DNP is not produced legitimately and is made illegaly in peoples basements/bathrooms or kitchen labs whatever, you never really know the exact dosage your taking. so those 2- 200 mg doses your taking could be alot more than you bargained for. You really are a CRAZY chemist to think dnp is safer.
So your argument has gone from, when both are taken in low, safe doses DNP is more dangerous TO DNP is more dangerous because you can overdose and die or have braindamage TO DNP is more dangerous because its on the black market and you don't know what you're really getting.

You're reaching here. You think that source is going to OVER pack their supplements? WRONG - you are far more likely to end up with 100mg in a 200mg-marked pill than having more. That would mean LESS money for the seller.

And on a side note, I run a chemistry lab for a living and order my DNP through LEGAL source like Pfizer, and analyze EVERYTHING i put in my body with a gas chromatography mass spectrometer (GC/MS) so I know exactly what it is and how much. And for those who dont have access to those tools - the odds a pill is over potent is incredibly slim (I've never gotten anything that was MORE potent than advertised)
 
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That's a very weak argument your talking reduced lifespan over a long period of time. Death at 60 rather than 70 years old. I'm talking immediate death, no comparison.
No one has died from taking DNP since the 20s, when the risks weren't know. People drop dead from taking too many stimulants every year. No comparison is right, but your arguing for the wrong side.
 
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So your argument has gone from, when both are taken in low, safe doses DNP is more dangerous TO DNP is more dangerous because you can overdose and die or have braindamage TO DNP is more dangerous because its on the black market and you don't know what you're really getting.

You're reaching here. You think that source is going to OVER pack their supplements? WRONG - you are far more likely to end up with 100mg in a 200mg-marked pill than having more. That would mean LESS money for the seller.

And on a side note, I run a chemistry lab for a living and order my DNP through LEGAL source like Pfizer, and analyze EVERYTHING i put in my body with a gas chromatography mass spectrometer (GC/MS) so I know exactly what it is and how much. And for those who dont have access to those tools - the odds a pill is over potent is incredibly slim (I've never gotten anything that was MORE potent than advertised)
ok bro you think the risks are the same.:toofunny: I've been reading both arguments here and i think your reaching.
 
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DNP is not produced legitimately and is made illegaly in peoples basements/bathrooms or kitchen labs
Also, the DNP synthesis is far too complex to be made in a home lab. The black market supply might come from China or Mexico but it is still made in a real chemistry lab.
 
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ok bro you think the risks are the same.:toofunny: I've been reading both arguments here and i think your reaching.
We've established that vida hasnt run DNP, have you? Just because you read something online you think you're an expert, huh? :toofunny: Well, I guess I'm wrong then... I mean, yes I'm 6 months from a PhD in biophysics, yes i have a masters in physical chemistry and a bachelors in chemistry, yes ive had courses on physiology and pharmacology - but, i mean, you read the internet so you must know.

You're both entitled to your opinion. At low doses, DNP is a safe and effective drug. It does not have any compound negative effects with an AAS or PH, whereas stimulants do. But its your body - hell, why not do a few lines of blow to keep the appetite down? Stay away from DNP, because you might have a surgically-curable cataracts if youre the unlucky 0.05% but dont think twice about stacking up stims because you dont really need a heart or blood vessels.
 

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