1-Test Cyp Better Than M1T
- 07-17-2004, 02:31 AM
I'm 5 and a half weeks into SS's Body Recompostition Cycle .
Bumped up the Sldge Test to 1785mg/week from 1339mg, kept the 1-test cyp at 1050mg/week.
Did two weeks of Clen, Tri-Max, and M5AA/M-Dien, cut a lot of fat and lost minimal, if any muscle and strength. Was doing cardio 4 days a week and running below maintenance calories.
Dropped the Clen, Tri-Max, M5AA/M-Dien and ran M1T for 3 weeks. Oh my god ! This was sort of a "lean bulk" phase, upped the calories, dropped the cardio, and often trained twice a day. Let me state as fact that there is no way to get better gains legally than with this combo, if you can handle the sides (lethargy, Ridiculous-Sick-Crazy-Insane-Cartoon Character pumps). This is not for the faint of heart.
Right now I'm gonna give the liver a break from the methyls and go into a 2 week "Tightening up" phase with Clen and only the Sldge Test and 1-Test Cyp.
After that I'm not too sure if I wanna add M4OHN or not. I'm gonna run this about 5 more weeks total, then do a very long PCT (finally )
I'll post some pics soon. Point of all this, if you don't have access to "real" gear, you're best bet if you wanna run a hardcore cycle is to use 1-2 injectables for 10 weeks or so, and rotate methyls in and out.
Sldge has a limited amount of 4AD-cyp and 1-test cyp steriles back in stock. www.designersupps.com
- 07-17-2004, 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by supersoldier
Supersoldier, you feel 4ad cyp blows a 4ad transdermal out of the water?
Would you compare the 1test cyp to tren? Any experience with tren?
07-17-2004, 03:39 PM
I noticed that if I put 4ad and 1-test in the same syringe, it doesn't hurt at all in the following days but if I shoot 1-test solo the injection spot hurts like hell for 3-4 days. The 4ad seems to nullify the irritating properties of 1-test. this is something other people should try if having site pain. BTW that 25g is much less painful than the 23 or 22.Originally Posted by supersoldier
07-17-2004, 04:15 PM
I bet that combo works better than most 'illegal' stacks as well !! (but anadrol / 1-test cyp ain't bad for crazy pumps either)Originally Posted by supersoldier
07-17-2004, 07:17 PM
07-17-2004, 07:45 PM
07-18-2004, 12:59 AM
Never used tren, but I'd say that 4AD cyp is to trans 4AD as trans is to oral (non-methylated). Not even in the same league.Originally Posted by NO MERCY
07-18-2004, 01:09 AM
I wouldn't say that, trans is just like tren because it's something you do every day. Unlike a shoot you might take 2 or 3 times a week. In fact, trans gives even more stable blood levels than oral or IM. Maybe you've been using an inferior carrier or applying it wrong.Originally Posted by supersoldier
07-18-2004, 01:13 AM
I just think that with 4AD since you need to use a lot, somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 grams a week to get testosterone like results, that using trans is limited. There's only so much you can get to dissolve in carrier, and only so many application sites.Originally Posted by DR.D
07-18-2004, 01:23 AM
That's a good point, I too use it just to supplement other things and not as a primary, except 1-T, and T. They are strong enough to get the entire source trans. But the IM's are so convenient w/out any transfer risk to those around you. SS, if you don't mind, based on liver values only, put in order from least toxic to most or whatever, the steroids/PH's you've used and checked numbers on.Originally Posted by supersoldier
07-18-2004, 01:34 AM
I'm actually very glad you've asked me that. Here goes:Originally Posted by DR.D
M1T is without a doubt the most horrible legal **** you can put in your body. Where most methyls are potent anabolics with side effects such as liver toxicity, ect; M1T should be thought of as an uber-potent poison, with anabolic side effects. IMO it's that bad.
None of the other (legal) methyls even come close to approaching the realm of horrible for you that is M1T.
Next would be M-Dien, but it's not too bad, even at 20mg-ish.
M1,4 shouldn't be too bad, but you have to take into consideration that a lot of people are dosing it between 100mg and 200mg, I believe nsruffryder34 did 250mg. I think it would be really hard on the liver dosed that high.
I don't think M5AA is really bad at all, even high doses like 100mg/day.
I'll let you know about M4OHN in a few weeks.
07-18-2004, 01:43 AM
Thanks for the info SS, I read clinicals on M4OHT and no liver distress was observed at all up to 40mg/d so I suspect that this has a short t1/2 and is very non-toxic too. Give me a heads up when you can. That's too bad about the m1t, cause I really like it. I'll now have to form a system that opposses all of it's neg. effects in order to use it at minimal risk.Originally Posted by supersoldier
07-18-2004, 02:14 AM
I cant find the 1test cyp or sledgetest at designersupps.com, the only one i could find was 4ad cyp, so i went ahead and ordered a bottle. Is he going to be carrying the 1test cyp or sledgetest soon or is it already sold out? Is the sledgetest just 4ad cyp, or is it like the pro sust which is a blend of different esters such as the prop and cyp?
07-18-2004, 02:17 AM
07-18-2004, 04:21 PM
I agree with your assesment 100% SS. M1T should be thought of as just plain toxic. It's the heavy duty ammo and I feel it should probably only be cycled 1-2 times per year tops with lots of liver protectants, really lengthy PCT with an extended liver cleansing/recoupe period. I'm thinking it makes HCG damn near mandatory. I also think people are dosing it way too high most of the time. Sub-200 pound guys are taking 30-40-and 50 mg which is reckless IMO.
I'd love to see the results of your M4OHn trials and bloodwork. Anecdotally its the only PH I've used that gave great results with no sides to speak of. It stacked really well with a 4AD trans so it should be superb with 4ad cyp at 30-40mg. If it's as non toxic as suggested then its a new base for most of my future stacks. My only fear is that I'll get desensitized to it, lol.
I'd really like to see the effective/safe dosage of M1,4 ADD pinned down. We've got numerous threads that all kinda dance around what dosage is safe and most effective but nothing concrete.
MD is still kinda mysterious as well and the only one I haven't played with yet.
Originally Posted by supersoldier
07-18-2004, 09:55 PM
07-20-2004, 05:37 PM
07-20-2004, 06:15 PM
You can never post something like this, because if in fact u are including sides ect, ur sticking the whole world inside a box.
For me, M1T is 50 times better. I get 10x better gains, with no sides. I guess im just lucky? But there are plenty more like me
07-20-2004, 06:51 PM
07-20-2004, 07:21 PM
07-20-2004, 10:06 PM
2 things wrong with the original post, it doesnt HAVE to be stacked, I didnt and Im fine a few weeks into PCT. Many other ppl have faired off as well.
Next, Ur sticking everyone in a box, I personally did great off m1t alone, 15 lbs 2 weeks, bench up 30, only side was lowered appetite. Hvnt lost anything during pct, only getting stronger. Besides that everything else is good to go.
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