M5aa or m4ohn?

[Tbird006]

Also which is better
1. Strength
2. Hardness
3. Pumps
4. Weight Loss
5. Body Comp
6. Sides

 

[SJA]

Both :~)

 

[propho]

i only voted m5aa because i haven't tried m4ohn.. i use m5aa as a workout booster..40mgs.. heard lots of good things about m4ohn tho.. i do want to give that a try soon

 

[willieman]

M5aa could be very addictive for me..I gained strength, some size, and a lot of hardness and vascularity at 30mgs a day.Being a heavier androgen (mainly DHT), is a little scary though...I did not have any sides at all though.It kept me really agresive at the gym.Probably my favorite of all the Methyls, PHs.

I like Mohn too, but I am not sure I would compare the 2

 

[jjjd]

btw, i said the jury was still out, and now it is in (with me) on both.

they are both excellent. i especially like m40hn for its elegance, it's lean gains/ability to spare muscle during dieting, and it REALLY promotes hunger with me (not the greatest thing while dieting, but...)

m5aa definitely puts you in the zone for workout and (for me) increases aggressiveness during workouts.

kind of different compounds.

i am going to try some 5aa cyp soon. interesting to compare to m5aa

 

[oswizzle]

is plain 5aa even comparable to m5aa ,,,becuz i read they converted into 2 different compounds?

 

[jjjd]

well, ANY methyl has different properties than the non-methylated compound.

compare d-bol to its non-methylated counterpart. or methyltest to test, etc.

however, based on anecdotal reports, 5-aa cyp has some of the same effects as m-5aa did with me, and they are both DHT related drugs

 

[TheUsual]

compare d-bol to its non-methylated counterpart. or methyltest to test, etc.

What IS dbol's non-methylated counterpart? It isn't manufactured/used is it?

 

[jjjd]

it's called equipoise

 

[Benderzzz]

equipose is not dbol
two different compunds
look it up

 

[cobra1414]

no, but dbol is methylated eq

 

[jjjd]

yeah, look it up yourself Benderzzz. i said dbol is METHYLATED equipoise.

read the thread. edumacate yourself.

 

[Benderzzz]

methylate yourself
and report the results

 

[Benderzzz]

and then maybe you will convert into a human being
keep us posted

 

[jjjd]

hey don't slag me for your lack of reading comprehension.

whinny once for yes, twice for no. equipoise must be working

 

[propho]

i could be wrong but dbol is methandrostenolone while equipose is boldenone undecylenate .. so how is dbol a methylated equipose?

 

[sly]

Why not take both.
M4ohn /ed and M5AA hour before workouts?

This is something I've been considering for my next cycle.

Cutting cycle (6 weeks)

16mgs of M4ohn /ed
30mgs of M5aa pre workouts
1 week in add TriMax (Pyramid)

That's exactly what I'm gonna run, with the exception of the Trimax.

 

[supersoldier]

i could be wrong but dbol is methandrostenolone while equipose is boldenone undecylenate .. so how is dbol a methylated equipose?

Dbol is methyl-boldenone without the undecyclenate ester.

 

[good_guye28]

what about using ephedrine with the m5aa and m4ohn? would that be dangerous because i know the methyl causes a raise in BP

 

[fatty]

i've use ephedrine while on a methyl. I wasn't so much worried about my BP, but more so my prostate. I've used M-1t up to 50mg per day with not much of a problem in BP. I've been using M-1t again with ephedrine and I am showing all the signs of enlarged prostate. I will be discontinuing use of ephedrine as that has always given me problems

 

[jrkarp]

Why not take both.
M4ohn /ed and M5AA hour before workouts?

This is something I've been considering for my next cycle.

Cutting cycle (6 weeks)

16mgs of M4ohn /ed
30mgs of M5aa pre workouts
1 week in add TriMax (Pyramid)

I'm considering the same thing, with a 2 on/ 2 off/ 2 on of Clen (and no Trimax).

/karp

 

[silverSurfer]

From 1Fast (http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=1200): "M4OHN is an active hormone, it does not require a conversion to a target hormone such as 4AD Cyp. It is a Nandrolone derivative however the 4-OH group added inhibits a conversion to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) or DHN (dihydronandrolone) making this a mildly androgenic and highly anabolic compound."

Does anyone know if the inhibition of converting to DHT applies only to M4OHN or would it affect other compounds in your system at the time? If so then it would seem counterproductive to use M5AA with M4OHN.

 

[jrkarp]

From 1Fast (http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=1200): "M4OHN is an active hormone, it does not require a conversion to a target hormone such as 4AD Cyp. It is a Nandrolone derivative however the 4-OH group added inhibits a conversion to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) or DHN (dihydronandrolone) making this a mildly androgenic and highly anabolic compound."

Does anyone know if the inhibition of converting to DHT applies only to M4OHN or would it affect other compounds in your system at the time? If so then it would seem counterproductive to use M5AA with M4OHN.

The 4-OH group inhibits the conversion of the molecule that has it. Thus, it inhibits the conversion of M4OHN, not other compounds.

/karp

 

[Sldge]

correct.

 

[bionicBC]

i am going to try some 5aa cyp soon. interesting to compare to m5aa[/QUOTE]
Are you going to pin it?
BC

 

[bionicBC]

i've use ephedrine while on a methyl. I wasn't so much worried about my BP, but more so my prostate. I've used M-1t up to 50mg per day with not much of a problem in BP. I've been using M-1t again with ephedrine and I am showing all the signs of enlarged prostate. I will be discontinuing use of ephedrine as that has always given me problems

What were your liver values at 50mg a day?!?!?

 

[lancelot]

I've been using M-1t again with ephedrine and I am showing all the signs of enlarged prostate. I will be discontinuing use of ephedrine as that has always given me problems

i'm having the same problem, but it started when i added the M1T as i always use ephedrine pre w/o. maybe the synergy makes it worse, but i know it's mainly M1T causing my enlarged prostate and it's associated problems.

 

[THEBRAKES]

just so everyone doesnt go running M1T with ephedrine and/or synephrine - i had BP-related reaction to the simultaneous use of those compounds, and i still havent gotten my BP back to where it was. and i was only running 10mg/day.

supersoldier is right of course, about dbol and equipoise. where do you think the "bol" in dbol comes from?

 

[BOHICA]

I will be running these togehter sometime within the next couple of months, get back to you then!! :wave:

 

[GymRat06]

Just a question but how do you know if you are having prostate problems?

Thanks

 

[raylewis]

just so everyone doesnt go running M1T with ephedrine and/or synephrine - i had BP-related reaction to the simultaneous use of those compounds, and i still havent gotten my BP back to where it was. and i was only running 10mg/day.

supersoldier is right of course, about dbol and equipoise. where do you think the "bol" in dbol comes from?

I ran the same combo and prior my bp was at 120 back in Sept. Took an M1T/Ephedra (during w/o days 3X's week) and today my bp was 140.

Anyway, I have some M5AA I picked up preban for cheap from 1fast. What other things are people stacking this product with or are most running as a cutter w/ Tri-Max?

 

[Redeemer]

Forgive me if I should have started a new post, I am new here. I'm not sure if this belongs in a new post, but it is related to M5AA. I was wondering what the final word is on MDHT. If M5AA converts to MDHT, why are so many people reporting no pre-workout boost from the Methyl rage and methyl jacked. Does M5AA possibly have any intrinsic action all it's own?

 

[GymRat06]

Well MDHT and M5AA are usualy used as a hardenin agent, pre workout boost, and they say fat loss. MDHT is what M5AA converts to. Im on MDHT by itself right now and just get a bit irritable and agressive and my muscles are starting to get a bit "denser" feeling. Im takin almost the max dose a 75 mgs. I take 25 when i wake up and 50 Pre Workout. Im also takin ephedrine HCL..Mind you i get a better boost from the ephedrine/ ventilean combo then the Methyl-Rage im taking. It has dried me out though as i look more "dry" id say.

I was askin in another post if this was enough and does MDHT really help fat loss or if its just the water retention it gets rid of or somethin.

Hope this helps a bit and anyone wantin to chime in on my question is welcome and appreciated.

Thanks

 

[chrisrico]

I had great results on 20 mg day of M5AA. Lost fat, gained strength while on maintenance calories...got hard as hell....libido shut down around 3 weeks but came back in 3 weeks PCT. Also did a cut cycle of MOHN and didn't like it as a cutting aid as much...seemed to hold onto the fat more so than when on the M5. But, MOHN made me feel GREAT! Sleep was awesome, got a little more size while dieting too, but not the same rapid fat loss. Sides on M5 were poor quality sleep and little tenseness....but it was worth it. Can't wait to try it on a bulk cycle.

 

[Vader]

I hate to hijack a thread but I didn't want to waste space starting a new one. I was just curious if the people who mentioned possibly taking the M4OHN/M5AA stack have tried it yet?

I'm thinking of trying it myself soon. I was thinking of using M5AA at 20mgs preworkout and M4OHN at 16mgs daily divided in 4 doses. I'm hesitant to stack 2 methyls without hearing any feedback and/or opinions. The general assumption from feedback seems to be M4OHN is one of the "safer" or less harsh methyls. I haven't actually seen any blood work done on M5AA yet.

Here's what I'm considering. I workout first thing in the morning. I was thinking 20mgs of M5AA at 6:15-6:30 A.M.(30-45 minutes before my workout) and taking 4mgs of M4OHN at 10:30 A.M., 2:30 P.M., 6:30 P.M., and 10:30 P.M. This way I would never be taking both methyls at the same time just to play it "safe".

 

[pu12en12g]

methylate yourself
and report the results

:icon_lol:

 

[Mr.50]

Ive done a stack of MDHT (100mgs per), M4OHN (32mgs per) and M5aa at (60mg per). I think this is the stack if I remember correctly. Maybe it was only 60mgs also of MDHT. Search should bring it up pretty easily. Anyway I had great results for only a short two week cycle and I had no probs with liver values (from that cycle). I used Milk Thistle a thigh dosage throughout.

Mr.50

I hate to hijack a thread but I didn't want to waste space starting a new one. I was just curious if the people who mentioned possibly taking the M4OHN/M5AA stack have tried it yet?

I'm thinking of trying it myself soon. I was thinking of using M5AA at 20mgs preworkout and M4OHN at 16mgs daily divided in 4 doses. I'm hesitant to stack 2 methyls without hearing any feedback and/or opinions. The general assumption from feedback seems to be M4OHN is one of the "safer" or less harsh methyls. I haven't actually seen any blood work done on M5AA yet.

Here's what I'm considering. I workout first thing in the morning. I was thinking 20mgs of M5AA at 6:15-6:30 A.M.(30-45 minutes before my workout) and taking 4mgs of M4OHN at 10:30 A.M., 2:30 P.M., 6:30 P.M., and 10:30 P.M. This way I would never be taking both methyls at the same time just to play it "safe".

 

[scipio]

I would run them together, many people have done it and had great results. This is one of the times I heard its kinda ok to run two methyls.

And why vote if you have never used the other product?