going for it

[pillsRgood]

after debating forever, I have decided to take the plundge and get back in the ph/designor game. little background:
30 years old, been lifting hard for 10 years, have plunged the needle in the past and like a lot of tards in their early 20's did it all wrong... no pct/****ty pct...basically did all wrong... I cant get my hands on real gear, and dont wanna head down that road again so am going the OTC road...
I have lurked on this wonderfull website for freaking ever and now am almost ready to rock this ****, but first I need some questions/input/opinions... So, here we go...(oh, and my diet is on point, 500-700 cals above maint. is what Ill be shooting for)
2 weeks prior:
cycle support 2x a day
BCAA's
multi's
joint support supps

During:
Havoc-20/30/30/40/40
DHEA or other test-suggestions? (advice on when to start, how much to dose to help counter libido issues)
cycle support 2x a day
BCAA's
multi's
joint support

PCT:
Toremifene Citrate 120/80/40/20 (this sound right?)
formedrol (need input on when to start/dosage)
BCAA's
Joint supps
multi
creatine/NO pre workout supp

any suggestions are welcome!

 

[pillsRgood]

no thoughts/opinions?

 

[funkd0c]

give us some time to respond, on the weekends most ppl are a little slow around here.. First off, What are your goals from this cycle? Bulk? Cut? Recomp? Also, why Havoc/Epithio? Some ppl run Epithio at 60mg their last few weeks, but you don't have to.
Second, PCT sounds right, but since this is a fairly light cycle you probly can dose the Toremifene at 90/60/30/20 If you wanna save some of your SERM that is. And I would start the Formadrol first day of week 3 in PCT. And are you not really worried about cortisol during PCT?

 

[pillsRgood]

sorry for the impatience!
havoc cause I have it on hand and have read/heard good reviews for the most part. my goal is a clean bulk, so I'll keep cals at 500-700 above maint... As far as cortisol blocker, I didn't think that one through, thank god for you! What/when would be good to take for this...Thanks for all your help!

 

[funkd0c]

I like adding a cort controller in week 2 of PCT or earlier, but that's because I tend to overtrain. Most say to add it in week 3

 

[schwellington]

up ur does from 20 first week to 30

20 is too low

personally i would do0 this

30/40/50/50/50/50

 

[pillsRgood]

I was gonna use only 20 for the first part cause I only had enough to do it that way. I do have an old half bottle of epidrol that I got from a friend. Am I correct in my belief that epidrol and havoc are the same compound? Thanks for the input on the cortisol help and all the cycle input

 

[Pumper]

PES just release Erase not long ago. It looks like a good addition to pct. It contains a cortisol blocker. They have some good info on it over in the pes section of the forum and I believe it's still really cheap at nutraplanet.

 

[schwellington]

I was gonna use only 20 for the first part cause I only had enough to do it that way. I do have an old half bottle of epidrol that I got from a friend. Am I correct in my belief that epidrol and havoc are the same compound? Thanks for the input on the cortisol help and all the cycle input

it sounds the same- but post the ingriedeints in it and i will tell u if it is the epithio compound found in havoc

 

[pillsRgood]

sorry for the delayed response, football season ya know! The epidrol that I have has the following in it:
2a, 3a-epithio-17a-Methyl-5a-Androstan-17b-OI 10mgs....