Designer steroids vs real steroids
- 09-15-2010, 06:47 PM
- 09-15-2010, 07:33 PM
you can compare the anabolic/androgenic ratios alot of places have these posted, SD is pretty strong for an oral i would put it up there above anavar and tbol as far as mass/strength goes, prob just weaker than d-bol as it doesnt blow you up quite as much, but comparing designers to injectables (especially the long esters you listed) is apples/oranges
- 09-15-2010, 07:37 PM
09-15-2010, 08:33 PM
they're all real steroids, they're all pretty different, and they all affect different people to different extents
in general though there's a big difference between orals like SD and dbol and injectables like test and EQ. Obviously there's going to be a huge difference when you are comparing something with a 6 hour half life to something with a 14 day half life. And the anabolics/androgenic ratios shouldn't be taken too seriously.
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09-15-2010, 08:48 PM
designer steroids are name brand, like gucci, calvin klein, ect. real steroids are real steroids. duh. I dont see why this is even a question.
09-15-2010, 10:12 PM
I like this question. I have never pinned, but have read there is no comparison with Test regards to appearance and body composition compared to SD for example. Test being much better. Not sure what that means since I have never pinned Test but I sure am tempted and would like to know.
09-15-2010, 11:09 PM
I'm on test and dbol right now. I've messed around with designers. I didn't respond to SD from PP, I got nothing out of it. However, I'm 2 week into my cycle and the dbol is making me a mad man in the gym, plus i've packed on some size. Cannot wait to have the test kick in.
I think comparing designers steroids to "actual" steroids is like apples to oranges.
I will never look back, I may throw in some x-tren, but I will never have a designer steroid cycle solely again.
09-16-2010, 02:40 AM
09-16-2010, 05:05 AM
09-16-2010, 03:10 PM
09-16-2010, 03:54 PM
From what I have learned reading both Seth Roberts and Llewlelyns books, is that the current and already banned stock of prohormones/prosteroids are all real steroids. They were all created back in the 1950's-60's and put aside or forgotten in favor of more efficient AAS. They refer to these preferred AAS as the "stand-bys"(deca, Dbol, Boldenone, etc)
As the supplement industry took off in the late 1990's, these forgotten steroids were resurrected and sold as "prohormones/prosteroids" in OTC supplements because they werent on any schedule III list at that time. But, alas, the FN Government has started to catch up......
09-16-2010, 04:27 PM
From what I understand as well, a lto of those designer steroids are actually precursors of our injectable AAS friends, arent they?
Any ideas what the conv ersions rates would be?
09-16-2010, 06:04 PM
09-17-2010, 07:07 PM
Designer steroids ARE real steroids. There is no difference.
The question you are technically asking is "What makes a steroid different from another steroid?"
And for this there are many differences. Compound, structure, injectable vs oral, half life, bulker vs cutter, amount of water retention, glycogen etc etc.
Each steroid is different, and many people will tell you any steroid can be used for any purpose (this implies theres no difference). While this is true, steroids ARE different from each other by many factors just like the factors above^^. And because of this, some are better at cutting like winstrol, and some are better at bulking like dbol.
Now, although both can be used for let's say cutting.... I guarantee you if you take 2 people, give one dbol and one winstrol and keep their diet and training constant, the one who took winstrol will look more "cut."
Then there are differences in strength gains between compounds.
And last but not least, sides.
Each steroid has a difference in strength gains, size gains, and sides. These are the three general departments that one takes into account when choosing their steroid and these are the three departments that generally make steroids different from each other. Strength, Size, and Sides. SSS biotch!!!!
09-20-2010, 12:20 PM
When it comes to injectables it is recommended that Test is the base. I have 2 questions.
1)Test users claim raging libidos even at larger doses of say 4-500 mgs per week, while designers seem to kill libido in most cases...why is this?
2) Test is Test....but do these other orals convert to some type of Test or are there many different types of steroids? Do these oral steroids convert to some type of hormone other than Test?
09-20-2010, 01:09 PM
09-20-2010, 01:14 PM
All orals by nature weather they're illegal or legal designers will put on weight faster than injectables will, however injectables can be ran long and are easier to hang on to muscle mass in pct.
09-21-2010, 06:40 AM
09-21-2010, 08:00 AM
09-21-2010, 11:37 AM
So while on test shots your test will be say maybe 5x normal levels, this will cause your body to stop making test all together just like an oral would. However sice your shots are actually test it's okay. Now when adding a oral steroid in it can't take away thr libido because of your synthetic test your injecting.
So the key to figureing it all out would be to rememeber that you don't need your natural test for libido, because synthetic test will do the same stuff on cycle.
09-21-2010, 12:00 PM
09-21-2010, 12:02 PM
09-21-2010, 02:56 PM
I guess what I am asking is.,..why do orals shut down libido while Testosterone injections boost libido?
09-21-2010, 03:02 PM
09-21-2010, 03:20 PM
Designers don't convert into test, and most shut down estrogen production too. Thus no libido.
Man... but the first few weeks on designers... my libido goes crazy through the roof... then down.
09-21-2010, 03:41 PM
09-21-2010, 03:43 PM
09-21-2010, 04:54 PM
dianabol isn't more powerful a steroid than superdrol.
39-50mg of dbol.
10-30mg of superdrol.
dianabol anabolic/androgenic ratio: androgenic: 40-60 Anabolic: 90-210
superdrols : androgenic: 20 anabolic: 400
different steroids, different effects on the body. but sd is stronger.
best results, stack the two. 20mg of sd, 30mg of dbol sounds nice.
09-21-2010, 05:14 PM
09-22-2010, 12:16 PM
What is it about orals that shuts down Test production since the do not convert to Test. If estrogen goes down, why doesn't the body compensate and produce more Test to compesate like it does with other AI's?
Sorry for the biology questions but been wondering bout this for some time and I think it is keeping in line with thread topic. Not everyone here understands what goes on when they take the two.
09-22-2010, 12:26 PM
09-23-2010, 11:29 AM
09-23-2010, 11:33 AM
09-23-2010, 02:02 PM
By adding a steroid to the body the body tries to compensate and regulate. The body knows the androgen receptor is still being stimulated so it slows the natural production of test to compensate. And if the outside steroid is taken long enough the body will eventually shutdown its natural production due to the outside steroid's chronic administration. Hence why PCT is needed after a cycle... to help restore your natural production and balance back out this delicate system.
Yes there are TONS of other factors at play here but this is to answer your question in a basic way.
Also your body isn't producing more test with an AI. Test gets converted to estrogen by aromatase and enzyme in the body. The enzyme is blocked by the AI... hence the name aromatase inhibitor. By blocking this enzyme you decrease the amount of estrogen because test can no longer convert to it. But Test can still get converted to DHT by 5reductase unless you are blocking that pathway. You also have to know that most test in the body is not free and is bound to SHBG.... blah blah blah... see its very complicated.
09-23-2010, 06:00 PM
09-23-2010, 11:21 PM
I think we should also remember that everyone's body often times has different preferences on which steroids it likes most. For instance, it's just not in the cards for me to have gyno. Of all the DS I've had, no symptoms of gyno whatsoever. Furthermore, where others put on 2-5lbs of LBM using Tren-Xtreme, I put on 14lbs and held 12lbs after PCT. Still carrying that weight AND some to this day. SD on the other hand (although I'm guessing that Superdrone from PP didn't work out correctly with potency) was relatively mild for my body compared to the 19-Nor. Most other people have the opposite effects. So where one guy says, "This steroid is awesome and stout", others may say "I didn't experience any gains from that same compound." However, the DS industry is far more flaky and fickle when it comes to authenticity of product and consistency of results than the black market for injections and orals. For some reason, companies would rather just lie and make a quick buck for 6 months on a few thousand customers than to actually offer a product with results. Our country has gone to crap when it comes to integrity. End Rant.
09-25-2010, 03:37 PM
09-25-2010, 05:25 PM
09-26-2010, 02:32 AM
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09-26-2010, 03:05 AM
Designer steroids are steroids that have been created by a chemical modification of an existing steroid.
Masteron to Superdrol
Epitiostanol to Epistane
Gestrinone/Trenbolone to THG
Pro hormones are precursors to other hormones
4ad to test
19-norandrostenedione to nortestosterone/nandrolone
1,4-androstadienedione - boldenone
The fact that it has a cool name like superdrol,epistane,Anavar, Dianabol,Anadrol,etc doesnt have any relevance whether it is a designer steroid or not.
For me, the action IS the juice.
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