Why is Dymethazine (and its clones) so hit and miss?

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  1. might have been. I've talked with him about max lmg before. but not in any great detail.

    talking to that guy makes me feel stupid. the more I learn, the more I realize I dont know.


  2. LOL, I know what you mean. I've had a couple of private conversations with him.

    I don't think the thread that I referenced was about Max LMG, per se. I think it was just basically about classifying androstanes, norandrostanes, and the actual lack of progestins on the market.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Presa View Post
    Finally someone else has recognized why dimethazine died on the vine. It has been around since the 60's but was "forgotten" for good reason. Superdrol is not hit or miss but it appears that in humans, dimethazine is and was. I tried it twice and had two misses with two different companies.
    I believe superdrol is hit or miss, like testosterone is hit or miss..
    All depends on the individual response to the hormone bro.

  4. hmm, interesting stuff.

    I've been reading MrKleen's log and it looks great. However, some people respond to eg cynostane and others not. Not read many logs/opinions of people not responding to SD. Would be a fun test to try DMZ on the SD non-responders and vice versa

  5. IMO, most times when people don't "respond" to an anabolic , it's due to diet, unrealistic expectations (for the product or the dose they're taking)...and occasionally, a bunk product.

    GAMER - YOUR PM BOX IS FULL, FOOL!
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    IMO, most times when people don't "respond" to an anabolic , it's due to diet, unrealistic expectations (for the product or the dose they're taking)...and occasionally, a bunk product.

    GAMER - YOUR PM BOX IS FULL, FOOL!
    I think I am eating enough brah ...
    I guess I expected too much from SD.. Was expecting 15+lbs hehe..
    PM box empt

  7. Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    so dieselbolan v2 is worthless?!
    i gained 22lbs on a 6 week run so it can't be too bad

  8. Dunno about the "hit or miss" thing. All I know is I have taken a few cycles of both Dymeth and Dzine and in each case I have seen excellent gains. "SD gains without sides" would be an accurate description. Dzine + PPlex is a hell of a good stack.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    IMO, most times when people don't "respond" to an anabolic , it's due to diet, unrealistic expectations (for the product or the dose they're taking)...and occasionally, a bunk product.
    I disagree with this statement. I've read logs from people who seem to have everything in check (training, diet, lots of AAS/PH prior experience) who simply don't get good results sometimes on a new product. I think that a persons individual biochemsitry and hormonal genetic make-up has more to do with which compounds they do or don't respond to. I think Unreal Machine being a non-responder to Test is the perfect example.

    As to Dymethazine, my experience was pretty awesome. I did a 4 weeks dimeth+halodrol stack (dimeth dosed at 15/30/30/45, halo at 25/50/50/75) and gained about 25 lbs. Diet was a little dirty so it was probably about 15 lbs LBM. Also, +25 lbs in 4 weeks is HUGE for me, I was at about 150 before cycle. So, with the help of dymethazine, I gained about 17% of my starting weight.

  10. super dymethazine from iron mag seems to be a pretty good clone.

  11. i just used Dimeth at 30mg and its pretty weak, while SD was just insane to be honest. it was great

  12. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    IMO, most times when people don't "respond" to an anabolic , it's due to diet, unrealistic expectations (for the product or the dose they're taking)...and occasionally, a bunk product.

    GAMER - YOUR PM BOX IS FULL, FOOL!

    agreed.. i believe there is no such thing as a "non-responder" unless the product is old or fake.... dzine (carbed up) i gained plenty of mass, but wasnt as i EXPECTED lol

  13. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    agreed.. i believe there is no such thing as a "non-responder" unless the product is old or fake.... dzine (carbed up) i gained plenty of mass, but wasnt as i EXPECTED lol
    QFT.

    Brb immune to steroids.

  14. Dymethazine is nearly identical to Superdrol, except itís two (as opposed to one) superdrol molecules attached to each other, now based on this you may be thinking that Dzine is twice as powerful as Superdrol, this is not the case. Your bodies stomach acid separates these two molecules prior to absorption, so it becomes a single molecule just with two potential pathways, despite this difference Superdrol remains the more powerful compound.

    The one advantage that Dymethazine has over Superdrol is the less likelihood of side effects or in the event of side effects being present theyíre typically more manageable with dZine/dymethazine. Donít take this as it being side-effect free, Dymethazine is an incredibly potent compound and carries the same risks as any other powerful anabolic steroid or pro-hormone.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    Dymethazine is nearly identical to Superdrol, except it’s two (as opposed to one) superdrol molecules attached to each other, now based on this you may be thinking that Dzine is twice as powerful as Superdrol, this is not the case. Your bodies stomach acid separates these two molecules prior to absorption, so it becomes a single molecule just with two potential pathways, despite this difference Superdrol remains the more powerful compound.

    The one advantage that Dymethazine has over Superdrol is the less likelihood of side effects or in the event of side effects being present they’re typically more manageable with dZine/dymethazine. Don’t take this as it being side-effect free, Dymethazine is an incredibly potent compound and carries the same risks as any other powerful anabolic steroid or pro-hormone.
    iForce ''Dymethazine consists of 2 molecules joined together by an azine bond. Once metabolized, the molecules split, leaving one in its original form, and one with an azine bond which creates a hydrazone. ''

    So in theory, half SD and half hydrazone. is it that simple? perhaps someone with some chemistry knowledge could chip in here.

    but assuming it is that simple, in theory, even if the hydrazone is bunk, you'll still be getting the gains/toxicity/shutdown of some SD. the hydrazone would account for the less toxicity/shutdown. but then I dont see why people just run a lower dose of SD as virtually, not completely, nobody hasnt responded to SD whereas a lot do to DMZ.

    IMO, either go for epi or SD, because this dmz is supposedly in the middle yet so hit and miss.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mark118 View Post
    iForce ''Dymethazine consists of 2 molecules joined together by an azine bond. Once metabolized, the molecules split, leaving one in its original form, and one with an azine bond which creates a hydrazone. ''

    So in theory, half SD and half hydrazone. is it that simple? perhaps someone with some chemistry knowledge could chip in here.

    but assuming it is that simple, in theory, even if the hydrazone is bunk, you'll still be getting the gains/toxicity/shutdown of some SD. the hydrazone would account for the less toxicity/shutdown. but then I dont see why people just run a lower dose of SD as virtually, not completely, nobody hasnt responded to SD whereas a lot do to DMZ.

    IMO, either go for epi or SD, because this dmz is supposedly in the middle yet so hit and miss.


    theres a better write up on this some where.I'm rusty of the hydra thing as its been quite a awhile since I looked at dymeth. if I remember right it pretty much depends on how the users body funnels this stuff.VT I think would be able to break this down further though I believe.So its not like this is a bad compound it just comes down to how your body reacts and uses it.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    theres a better write up on this some where.I'm rusty of the hydra thing as its been quite a awhile since I looked at dymeth. if I remember right it pretty much depends on how the users body funnels this stuff.VT I think would be able to break this down further though I believe.So its not like this is a bad compound it just comes down to how your body reacts and uses it.
    if true, then its reasonable to assume why this is hit or miss as a compound.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    yea, me too. I want to up the max lmg to 100mg, but dont want to take 40mg of dimethazine.

    guys, keep this in mind, I ran the iforce dymethazine product, which contained DIMETHAZINE.

    I ran it at 30mg, it was okay, but really felt it needed to be used with an aromatizable compound, like testosterone.

    After I started reading up on max lmg & what it converts into, and realized this is not a progestin, but an actual steroid, I became more interested in it.

    I think the combonation of max lmg & dimethazine were a great idea.

    I'd also like to give epistane & max lmg a try later down the road.
    Since you suggest using it with something that aromatizes, what is your opinion on D-zine + M1,4ADD? Does this sound like a good stack? Yes both methylated, but m1,4 isn't very harsh on the liver, and it would be run with reasonable doses (30/90-120)

    I have a bottle of D-zine I plan to run in march. I ended up choosing it over Epi because the gains would be better, and I didn't want to go all the way to SD. Seeing this thread and all the loggers who disappear isn't encouraging though, I don't want to end up not responding well to D-zine. Makes me still consider an epi/m1,4 stack.

  19. mark and mitch are both incorrect. im not going to repost the same crap about dimethazine again.

    but it's different than sd completely, it's weaker, more androgenic, and more hepatotoxic than sd.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by TML499 View Post
    Since you suggest using it with something that aromatizes, what is your opinion on D-zine + M1,4ADD? Does this sound like a good stack? Yes both methylated, but m1,4 isn't very harsh on the liver, and it would be run with reasonable doses (30/90-120)

    I have a bottle of D-zine I plan to run in march. I ended up choosing it over Epi because the gains would be better, and I didn't want to go all the way to SD. Seeing this thread and all the loggers who disappear isn't encouraging though, I don't want to end up not responding well to D-zine. Makes me still consider an epi/m1,4 stack.
    i'd say go with either sd/m14add, or epi/m14add.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    mark and mitch are both incorrect. im not going to repost the same crap about dimethazine again.

    but it's different than sd completely, it's weaker, more androgenic, and more hepatotoxic than sd.
    I think this is a fair statement

  22. here are a few vt quotes.food for thought.

    Dymethazine is 2 sd molecules bound by an azine bond. Upon ingestion, this bond is broken releasing 1 methylmasteron molecule, and one methylmasteron-hydrazone molecule. The methylmasteron-hydrazone reactions extremely differently than just methylmasteron as can be seen by MANY logs.

    intrinsic activity in order to explain what happens in Dymethazine users? As far as I know, The methyl-masteron hydrazone molecule has its own intrinsic activity which is weaker, yet more manageable on the body than plain methylmasteron. The a;a ratio is also less impressive than SD on its own.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    mark and mitch are both incorrect. im not going to repost the same crap about dimethazine again.

    but it's different than sd completely, it's weaker, more androgenic, and more hepatotoxic than sd.
    my description of how the dymethazine compound splits was directly from a iforce dymethazine promo/reps

    VT: ''Dymethazine is 2 sd molecules bound by an azine bond. Upon ingestion, this bond is broken releasing 1 methylmasteron molecule, and one methylmasteron-hydrazone molecule.''


    im not sure how im incorrect here. just posting and inferring directly from the iforce reps. how is it different completely when 1 of the 2 molecules = superdrol.

  24. because no one knows what steroid is formed when it hits the stomach acid and hydrolizes.

    but doesn't become one sd molecule and one unknown steroid, both molecules will become hydrolized and become something else. this is why is is completely different. the nitrogen (azine) bond isn't attached to just one molecule, but both.

    otherwise, you'd have sd like gains. but you dont. even injected, it is weaker than sd.

    the write ups from i-force comes from people who are mis informed. I've talked about this compound with pa & henry in the past, and you can find their post with the info on the compounds.

    the vida data is from injected dimethazine, so it doesn't help much. aside from anecdotal data, thats pretty much all we have to go off of.

    but all experts i've talked to agree, what it becomes in the stomach, no one knows. but it doesn't leave any in tact methyldrostanolone (sd)

  25. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    because no one knows what steroid is formed when it hits the stomach acid and hydrolizes.

    but doesn't become one sd molecule and one unknown steroid, both molecules will become hydrolized and become something else. this is why is is completely different. the nitrogen (azine) bond isn't attached to just one molecule, but both.

    otherwise, you'd have sd like gains. but you dont. even injected, it is weaker than sd.

    the write ups from i-force comes from people who are mis informed. I've talked about this compound with pa & henry in the past, and you can find their post with the info on the compounds.

    the vida data is from injected dimethazine, so it doesn't help much. aside from anecdotal data, thats pretty much all we have to go off of.

    but all experts i've talked to agree, what it becomes in the stomach, no one knows. but it doesn't leave any in tact methyldrostanolone (sd)
    thanks for the info

    i assumed their write up would be correct, especially given how many educated people there are but hey, its their reputation. it still sells despite this
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