Why is Dymethazine (and its clones) so hit and miss?
- 09-13-2010, 11:00 AM
- 09-13-2010, 01:20 PM
11-18-2010, 11:40 AM
Dunno about the "hit or miss" thing. All I know is I have taken a few cycles of both Dymeth and Dzine and in each case I have seen excellent gains. "SD gains without sides" would be an accurate description. Dzine + PPlex is a hell of a good stack.
11-18-2010, 04:38 PM
As to Dymethazine, my experience was pretty awesome. I did a 4 weeks dimeth+halodrol stack (dimeth dosed at 15/30/30/45, halo at 25/50/50/75) and gained about 25 lbs. Diet was a little dirty so it was probably about 15 lbs LBM. Also, +25 lbs in 4 weeks is HUGE for me, I was at about 150 before cycle. So, with the help of dymethazine, I gained about 17% of my starting weight.
11-19-2010, 12:29 AM
11-19-2010, 04:08 AM
12-27-2010, 12:27 AM
12-27-2010, 04:19 AM
12-27-2010, 08:48 AM
Dymethazine is nearly identical to Superdrol, except itís two (as opposed to one) superdrol molecules attached to each other, now based on this you may be thinking that Dzine is twice as powerful as Superdrol, this is not the case. Your bodies stomach acid separates these two molecules prior to absorption, so it becomes a single molecule just with two potential pathways, despite this difference Superdrol remains the more powerful compound.
The one advantage that Dymethazine has over Superdrol is the less likelihood of side effects or in the event of side effects being present theyíre typically more manageable with dZine/dymethazine. Donít take this as it being side-effect free, Dymethazine is an incredibly potent compound and carries the same risks as any other powerful anabolic steroid or pro-hormone.
12-27-2010, 01:25 PM
So in theory, half SD and half hydrazone. is it that simple? perhaps someone with some chemistry knowledge could chip in here.
but assuming it is that simple, in theory, even if the hydrazone is bunk, you'll still be getting the gains/toxicity/shutdown of some SD. the hydrazone would account for the less toxicity/shutdown. but then I dont see why people just run a lower dose of SD as virtually, not completely, nobody hasnt responded to SD whereas a lot do to DMZ.
IMO, either go for epi or SD, because this dmz is supposedly in the middle yet so hit and miss.
12-27-2010, 02:54 PM
theres a better write up on this some where.I'm rusty of the hydra thing as its been quite a awhile since I looked at dymeth. if I remember right it pretty much depends on how the users body funnels this stuff.VT I think would be able to break this down further though I believe.So its not like this is a bad compound it just comes down to how your body reacts and uses it.
12-27-2010, 03:49 PM
12-27-2010, 05:38 PM
I have a bottle of D-zine I plan to run in march. I ended up choosing it over Epi because the gains would be better, and I didn't want to go all the way to SD. Seeing this thread and all the loggers who disappear isn't encouraging though, I don't want to end up not responding well to D-zine. Makes me still consider an epi/m1,4 stack.
12-27-2010, 09:21 PM
mark and mitch are both incorrect. im not going to repost the same crap about dimethazine again.
but it's different than sd completely, it's weaker, more androgenic, and more hepatotoxic than sd.
12-27-2010, 09:23 PM
12-28-2010, 12:47 AM
12-28-2010, 01:00 AM
here are a few vt quotes.food for thought.
Dymethazine is 2 sd molecules bound by an azine bond. Upon ingestion, this bond is broken releasing 1 methylmasteron molecule, and one methylmasteron-hydrazone molecule. The methylmasteron-hydrazone reactions extremely differently than just methylmasteron as can be seen by MANY logs.
intrinsic activity in order to explain what happens in Dymethazine users? As far as I know, The methyl-masteron hydrazone molecule has its own intrinsic activity which is weaker, yet more manageable on the body than plain methylmasteron. The a;a ratio is also less impressive than SD on its own.
12-28-2010, 05:44 AM
VT: ''Dymethazine is 2 sd molecules bound by an azine bond. Upon ingestion, this bond is broken releasing 1 methylmasteron molecule, and one methylmasteron-hydrazone molecule.''
im not sure how im incorrect here. just posting and inferring directly from the iforce reps. how is it different completely when 1 of the 2 molecules = superdrol.
12-28-2010, 06:58 PM
because no one knows what steroid is formed when it hits the stomach acid and hydrolizes.
but doesn't become one sd molecule and one unknown steroid, both molecules will become hydrolized and become something else. this is why is is completely different. the nitrogen (azine) bond isn't attached to just one molecule, but both.
otherwise, you'd have sd like gains. but you dont. even injected, it is weaker than sd.
the write ups from i-force comes from people who are mis informed. I've talked about this compound with pa & henry in the past, and you can find their post with the info on the compounds.
the vida data is from injected dimethazine, so it doesn't help much. aside from anecdotal data, thats pretty much all we have to go off of.
but all experts i've talked to agree, what it becomes in the stomach, no one knows. but it doesn't leave any in tact methyldrostanolone (sd)
12-28-2010, 07:15 PM
12-28-2010, 07:33 PM
I need to add, there are a few studies done on dimethazine with rats an such. but I'm pretty sure, all these studies were done via injection as well.
and the blood's ph is neutral, so that is what screws up the data.
but the compound no matter what will still be a di methyl.
12-29-2010, 01:15 AM
jby you never fail to deliver man.I forgot about those studies.I actually had a box of i force dymeth sitting around for awhile but sold it.
12-29-2010, 01:52 AM
I haven't really heard of many "bad" reviews of DMZ. I've actually used it myself at 30-45 mgs for 6 weeks and was very happy with it(virtually no sides i should mention) and i plan on starting it again as soon as i get over this flu/respiratory infection. I think the "disappointing" views some users may have of DMZ may be dut to the marketing hype used when it was originally put out
12-29-2010, 01:56 AM
12-29-2010, 02:22 AM
12-29-2010, 12:09 PM
12-30-2010, 01:53 AM
j bry .. i have a question for u bud.. in ur opinion .. would u say that m-lmg is the best compound to stack with d-zine... i was really debating what to stack with d-zine as ive never used it before.. but used just about everything else under the sun... i was thinking of either stacking with m-lmg or pplex... but havent heard too much about stacking it with phera.. i just have a ****load of pplex left im tryna use up.... id be running whichever stack i choose with a test base, as i never run anything without test...
was thinking of running around 90mg m-lmg w/30-45mg of dzine.. although im hearing mixed opinions on running dzine at 45mg.... i feel like m-lmg would need to be run with a compound with a high androgenic rating.. which not to sure dzine has.. assuming its around 20, like superdrol is....
i am still debating saving the lmg to run with winstrol as i feel they would be extremely synergistic together.. its just that i have a combo (phantom labs force) as well as an additional bottle of d-zine and m-lmg
12-30-2010, 11:40 PM
dimethazine's androgenic rating is 65, and it's anabolic rating is 210. (sd is 20/400)
this is based of injected studies, It's my opinion the rating would be higher when taken orally, due to the compound it forms in the stomach.
I would def say to go in the upper dosage with the max lmg, and 30-45mg would be fine. start out at 30 to asses tolerance (of dimeth).
but stacking it with phera, this would be another good option (in my mind) though I cant personally comment on it d/t never stacking phera & dimeth.
but I have stacked dimeth with max lmg and found it very enjoyable. add in some test, and you will love it.
07-01-2012, 02:24 AM
I've run SD twice with good results but sides were prevalent, I tried dymethazine and it was every bit as potent as SD gains wise but with zero sides, I loved it. Now I just have to track down that same brand :/
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