Forma-Stanzol how is it in comparison to other drugs Aromasin, Nolva, or Clomid
- 08-31-2010, 02:26 AM
Forma-Stanzol how is it in comparison to other drugs Aromasin, Nolva, or Clomid
well formastan its self has nothing in common at all with nolva or clomid but forma-stanzol does. Nolva and clomid are serms and they block estrogen at the ER thus stopping it from having any effects on the ER. Well they do not block estrogen, but rather they take up the spot in the ER that estrogen would normally take up so that estrogen cant get in and do its job.
However when on nolvadex or clomid the level of estrogen in your body does not go down but rather it goes up!!!!. You see, Nolvadex only blocks estrogen that's already in your body but it does not in anyway effect test from converting to estrogen. In fact by stopping the estrogen from entering the ER it causes your body to create both more testosterone AND ESTROGEN :biggrin::biggrin: let no one ever forget this. Your bodies level of estrogen goes up well taking nolvadex or clomid not down and anyone who has read a study or two and has been around a wile knows this. This is why it is very very very common for nolvadex and or clomid to cause what is known as "rebound gyno" if you use these product for pct with out a Ai or even better a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" (which is what forma-stanzol is)
Now as you can see formastane its self and nolvadex/clomid are worlds apart. From here on throughout my explanation I will be speaking only about forma-stanzol as I feel it is the far superior compound because it has both formastane (suicide aromatase inhibition as well as progesterone reducing effects) and phytoserms (Phytoserm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) effects. On top of this it also has many other necessary effects for any prospective steroids user.
One Forma-stanzol's many characteristics is whats know as a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" of aromatase. This means that Forma-stanzol binds to the aromatase enzyme in a permanent and irreversible manner, rendering it inactive. The result of this is an eventual diminishment of aromatase enzyme in the body and a concurrent reduction in estrogen levels. A corresponding increase in testosterone production is usually experienced as well
It is important to note here that this deactivation of aromatase enzymes by forma-stanzol does not mean that your body becomes permanently deficient in the ability to synthesize estrogen. Your body will react to the deficiency of enzyme by producing more enzyme to replace that which has been deactivated. Therefore, when you stop taking Forma-stanzol your aromatase enzyme level will quickly catch up to normal and full estrogen production will resume.
Now Another important attribute to forma-stanzol is of course its phytoserm effects. Serm/phytoserm effects are important for pct because of there binding to the estrogen receptors, thus inhibiting estrogenic activity only at the ER. This causes a increase to LH & FSH levels, which in turn stimulates testosterone production. The important thing to remember here is although both nolvadex and clomid will do this they do it at a price! not only does the level of estrogen keep going up well taking them (unlike with forma-stanzol) but they can also be harmful in many other ways ( read post 6 in this thread to learn more about this. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/an...-a-642856.html). This is why phytoserm's "medically and clinically" excepted natural serms are better. Combined with other compounds like the ones in forma-stanzol they are a much more effect form of pct or on cycle estrogen and progesterone control.
Furthermore forma-stanzols 7,8 Benzoflavone a neuro-active flavone has the ability to pass the blood brain barrier and block the suppression of GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex.7,8 Benzoflavone also has a positive effects on libido due to its aphrodisiac and anxiolytic (anxiety-relieving) effect having natural anti-anxiety properties, 7,8-benzoflavone my help improve general self-confidence and well being. But Forma-stansols posative effects on libido dosn't end there. As any well versed steroid user knows lowering progesterone can also have a very positive and profound effects on sex drive.
Forma-stanzol unlike any other Ai or serm also has anabolic effects and coverts to a anabolic at a "dose dependent rate". In other words when used at the higher end of dosing ( 10 pumps twice a day) after a week it starts to covert somewhat to a anabolic compound and adds gains to your cycle. Still when used at the lower end or pct stile dosing protocol ( 5 pumps twice a day) there is no worries about suppression because its anabolic conversion is again " dose dependent" and only happens at higher doses taken for longer periods of time. How Amazing is that? I dont know any Ai's out there that can clam this nor do I know one single Ai that also lowers progesterone too!
Because of the formatane and now added compounds in forma-stanzol Its anabolic/androgen effects are similar to that of the steroid primobolan Depot ( but only when used at higher doses for longer periods of time).even at the lower dosing It increases IGF-1 levels by an amazing 26%,and increases HPTA activity and testicular activity similar to a combination of hcg and Clomid!
All of this is backed up by " human" studies. Yes Real human studies don by well known Universities and agencies. Because for the longest time Lentaron I.M. DepotŪ was a proscription drug . This was not a drug that got scrapped because it did not work or because other drugs worked better. No this drug lost favor because many years ago the only way to use the drug was through injections. But because of the advancements in Trans dermal delivery Lentaron I.M. DepotŪ is back. With the help of **** and ************ its more powerful then ever.
forma-stanzol is a synergistic blend of supporting components making forma-stanzol a Highbred on cycle estrogen/progesterone control and pct drug.
- 09-15-2010, 09:47 PM
Big thumbs up to **** for another great product. I am going to run it as my pct this time around!
- 09-16-2010, 03:43 PM
09-16-2010, 07:21 PM
this is in my future for sure. my favorite otc supp of all time based on how i felt and gains was formex by ibe. so i will look forward to this after my test/deca in a few months.
09-16-2010, 09:04 PM
09-17-2010, 12:44 AM
^^^ YUP, I find it to be ideal during a cycle since it can lead to a boost in IGF levels.
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09-17-2010, 09:10 AM
09-17-2010, 03:45 PM
formestane has been a favorite of mine for several years now-i look forward to trying your product with the extra goodies thrown in-not to mention the dmso added to the carrier. formestane is a great compound on it's own, the other stuff looks like a real nice gravy topping.
09-17-2010, 04:10 PM
09-17-2010, 04:11 PM
i ordered 3 today and begged for a free one in the give away. ill need it. im gonna run it at 250mg/day along with 600mg/week test. oh yeah baby
09-17-2010, 04:23 PM
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09-17-2010, 08:10 PM
I have my Deiselbolan, Formastanzol, and Nolva on hand. I also plan on running HCGenerate. Should I be running the Forma during my cycle or save it for post cycle?
Sorry for posting my question here. Just looking for a clear answer since I haven't found one searching everywhere.
09-17-2010, 08:11 PM
Can't wait to run this. Think it would be perfect for my pct.
09-17-2010, 09:09 PM
09-18-2010, 12:25 AM
09-18-2010, 12:27 AM
09-18-2010, 12:44 AM
09-18-2010, 01:19 AM
Some people like to take HCGenerate during the last week of their cycle to jumpstart pct.
doing my own thang!
09-18-2010, 04:18 PM
MAN I cannot believe this thread slipped by me. There has been some big discussions about forma in the anabolics section and using it in PCT.
Needto... since testosterone goes up with estrogen in PCT, would it be ok to use a SERM for let's say two weeks, let estrogen come up and in turn testosterone come up with it, and THEN add the forma 2 weeks in to start chopping down high estrogen levels after you've reaped the benefit they provide in regards to the bump in testosterone?
Or use it off the bat in PCT?
What do you think?
09-18-2010, 04:25 PM
09-18-2010, 04:27 PM
09-18-2010, 04:43 PM
09-18-2010, 05:07 PM
09-18-2010, 05:14 PM
I think inhibiting estrogen from coming up right when you enter PCT will hinder homeostasis recovery of testosterone.
I'll put it to the test anyways. Not many people can actually comment on this from experience but in theory, 2 weeks into PCT and you add forma will do straight up wonderzzzz.
09-18-2010, 05:20 PM
09-18-2010, 05:34 PM
Bigt, it's really hard to find studies on these things as I'm sure you know. Sometimes it's the knowledge that has been passed down that is more valuable over reading some studies about hormone reactions and trying to connect the dots between these studies and steroid use and PCT and everything. So I'm glad you're like me in that we are both real world result believers.
There are many knowledgeable and reputable guys that say the rise in estrogen will help yield a rise in testosterone in the first few weeks of PCT.
So you're exactly right on the protocol. SERM for 2-3 weeks, followed by forma to chop down those high levels and give you a boost in PCT.
I will definitely let you know how it goes for me. I'm 100% decided to do this in my next PCT.
09-18-2010, 05:39 PM
WOW!!! I missed this one too. Prolly gonna have to get this my my PCT now too!!
09-18-2010, 05:42 PM
09-18-2010, 06:22 PM
The method you've suggested would essentially allow estrogen to run amuck without the testosterone needed to level out your body to its normal ratio.... Results? Dramatic decrease in strength and mass gains made on cycle, delayed estrogen reduction possibly making sides appear, emotional roller coaster from to much estrogen in a testosterone driven body..... Essentially I would totally ditch that idea and start your pct right away or even a week before you finish to have the chemicals flowing already and test boosting via estrogen suppression working for you right away.
09-18-2010, 06:27 PM
I agree estrogen can cause an increase in testosterone, there is proof to this effect, but im not really sure why you would choose that option during pct? As the sharpe rise in estrogen can bring problems of its own, also your suggestion is not a new idea, adding an a.i after a couple of weeks is an old practice that had been discarded in favour of safer options, but if you want to see the results for yourself then that is your perogative.
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09-18-2010, 06:39 PM
2 weeks with a SERM isn't gonna hurt anything bro. Let that estrogen run a muck.. the SERM will cover me for 2 weeks and let my body just respond naturally in PCT (since the SERM won't directly affect my hormones). After all, your body does whatever it can to reach homeostasis so I say let it do it's own thing for a couple weeks. Just use a SERM to block estro sides and once you're ready--chop down those high estrogen levels.
PS... when you say the body recognizes a drop in estrogen and responds by making more test, not always the case bro. It sometimes just makes more aromatizing enzyme in which case you're screwed and get nothing from the drop in estrogen.
There are many ways the body has to do one job. There is nothing set in stone really for hormone ratios relationships.
09-18-2010, 06:42 PM
09-18-2010, 06:44 PM
I will be using forma the last half of my cycle for tren sides, taking 2 weeks off while front loading clomid, and adding in forma, tcf 1 and a pre workout
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09-18-2010, 06:46 PM
09-18-2010, 06:48 PM
i knew this was going to cause debate!
09-18-2010, 06:55 PM
What's up russian! Long time no see my man....been on hiatus for a bit but back and ready to make a comeback.
09-18-2010, 08:04 PM
I'd like to see a resolution to this debate as I'm considing an anadrol/test e/tren 12-14wk cycle for the winter with forma-stan as my on-cycle estrogen control and not sure how to bridge it into a pct of clomid/nolva, testforce and activate extreme