Advice Needed on Hdrol cycle...gyno???? Crazy I know....
08-02-2010 05:17 AM
Just wondering if you had this happen to you and you didn't have Nolva on hand but had Clomid would this help?
08-02-2010 01:47 PM
DBSHAVER: Thanks man! I thought it increased IGF my bad...Good advice. I also read your entire thread about your similar issue and I began to a higher dose of Nolva last night, I did 40mg. I will do 40mg tonight as well, then drop down progressively from there. I am going to keep the dosage at 75mg for a few more days and see where it all goes from there. If I see not decrease in size/sensitivity in 2 days I will decrease my Hdrol to 50mg and continue from there. I started the cycle at 75mg because I was under the misguided impression that I could take it at this MG? I have been taking cycle assist and Liv52 continuously for the past 2 years, so need to preload or what have you, and due to my success off of my last cycle which I ran HDROL @50/50/75/75/75/75 I figured I could start at 75MG off of the bat. I am thinking of getting some of that test conversion cream made by PP, perhaps it will help to balance everything out? Tight for cash so I have to wait, a day before ordering.
Bashman: I hadn't considered that but it does seem absolutely plausible. I can't believe that I hadn't thought about that possibility. That would make sense, tren is known for causing dormant gyno/rebound gyno, or so I've read. Thanks!
mikeyb123: I have no idea bro. Perhaps someone with more knowledge then I could answer this. I do have clomid on hand should someone give me good evidence that using it could help. I am going to stick give the Nolva a try and see what happens.
I'll keep everyone updated on my progress! No change as of late, but its only been a day!
08-02-2010 01:57 PM
Remember you don't have full on gyno, just symptoms, so use the nolva, don't pinch your nips and you should be fine.
The other important thing, is to find out the cause, reason why I brought up the tren, so you can gather a better understanding of what to use and stay away from - meaning more safe cycles in the long run.
Look out for any leaky nips as this could be gyno due to high prolactin issues. In that case, grab some caber dose at .5mg I believe E3D (has a long half-life) or some claim P5P to work, which again I think is dosed at 400mg a day. Probably need more experienced members to comment.
08-02-2010 07:01 PM
That is very plausable. BUT from what i remember Progestin or whatever you call it is the more likely gyno you get from tren....His gyno doesnt sound like he is getting any leakage etc Also i have never heard of delayed onset gyno from tren, it usually happens during cycle or in PCT?
Originally Posted by bashman
08-02-2010 07:06 PM
Clomid would help definitley but i dont think it is more reccommended on cycle than nolva. Clomid has some harsher side effects than Nolva and i am not 100% sure how it would affect your cycle. Clomid can help your HPTA and help with Gyno.
Nolva is great because it attaches or binds to your breast tissue and regulates the estrogen there instead of absolutley destroying it like Letro etc You need estrogen while on cycle!
Oh Xerxes, do 40mg for 2 days then drop it down to 30 or 20 for the next couple of days, you should see some improvement in that time space. Dont expect it to work in 2 days Be patient and dont stress
08-02-2010 07:29 PM
I kind of dissagree with the above post. Not about the clomid or the nolva, but the dosage of the nolva.
Start with 20 unless you are already up sh*t creek so to speak. If it's gyno you should almost immediately know a difference within a day or two. It might not be fixed yet, but you'll know whether it's working or not.
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08-02-2010 08:22 PM
Very true too. See my gyno went away in 2 or 3 days but the lump was still there until about 5-6 days. Everyone is different though. I agree, i did see some improvement, i just want him to be patient because i wasnt thats all, then you can really fall behind on your cycle, which i did a bit. I stressed out, panicked for atleast 3 or 4 days and i reckon at the gym i didnt go as hard, so as i said be patient
Mine was very, very noticible, sore and my nipple looked deformed though hence why i flooded my system with Nolva the first day or so, Then dropped it down to 20mg I have read somewhere that Nolva takes a few days to really get into your blood plasma levels?! I could be wrong.
08-03-2010 02:33 PM
Nolva's half life is something like 14 days, so this could be true, but I really don't know myself.
Originally Posted by dsbhaver
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08-03-2010 08:56 PM
Damn, I posted a response/update earlier, but it didn't go up I guess?
I ran 40mg of Nolva day 1, 20mg Day 2. And I still kept the Hdrol dosage @ 75mg.
Day 1: Sensitivity in nipple area decreased, by the end of the night my bump/pebble in the center of my nipple decreased in size as well. Can barely feel it.
Day 2: Woke up and center pebble was gone, the area is still slightly sensitive but only around the right upper quadrant. There is still a gyno like "disc" near the upper right quadrant on my nipple where all the sensitivity is, but it seems to be going down further. Still feels kinda inflamed....Sorry for saying nipple so much! Its hard not say nipple when talking about gyno haha.
I'll keep you all updated....
Anyone know how greatly the Nolva will effect my gains? I know it wont be exact, but I will settle for any approximations, etc.
08-04-2010 03:29 AM
Damn, I see alot of gyno threads now relating w/ h-drol. what's up with this. hopefully it won't happen in mine.
08-04-2010 03:39 AM
Thats all good to hear. I'd say keep dosing the Nolva at 10mg for the next 4 days or possibly until the "disc" in your pec has subsided. It should not interfere your gains. Keep us posted throughout the cycle. If you still have puffy nips by the end of the H-Drol, I would maybe suggest bumping the 1st couple of days of PCT to 40 Nolva, so 40 for 3-4 days then 20 thereafter and taper down throughout week.
Its kinda of strange how recently 2 people have got Gyno from H-Drol run. Dodgy batch going around??? But then given the location of yourself and dsbhaver, that kind of rules possibility out.
08-04-2010 03:42 AM
Yea you and me both bro, just got all my poison yesterday, waiting on the dam Nolva.
Originally Posted by r6lift
08-04-2010 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by bashman
Thanks for the PCT advice, pretty much what I was shooting to do anyway. Its weird @ Day 3 (today) I have no tenderness at all, but disc is still there, but slightly smaller and less inflamed? I keep getting a mixed bag about Nolva's effect on my gains, some say it will severely hinder them and others say it will be negligible. I guess time will tell
These Hdrol gyno threads have been popping up for the past few years, albeit sporadically, especially when compared to the other PH compounds that can produce gyno. I actually purchased my Hdrol from overseas, family is from UK and I got a super discount because I know the fella peddling the stuff. I am sure there no correlation though, just out of curiosity whats your batch number DSBHAVER? Mine are 53039 and 53392. I believe I've read a few threads where people have ran 53039 and had no issues...not sure about 53392. I am not knocking CEL, they make a great line of products, I use there Cycle Assist even when I am not on cycle and there Hdrol is the only one that I would touch.
08-04-2010 01:33 PM
I've been thinking about adding some Primordial Performance Dermacrine to the cycle. I've heard from several sources, as well as someone from DSBHAVER's similar gyno thread I believe, that it could help to balance out the hormonal imbalance that is perhaps causing my gyno onset, what do you guys think about this? Plus Primordial Performance stuff is on blowout sale @ NP, so I better snatch some up quick!
Anyone have experience? Or any hearsay/speculation about this?
08-04-2010 05:34 PM
I duno about the Dermacrine, sounds a bit off to try and cure a problem by adding another substance to the mix. Suppose its debatable, bit like people who run epistane to try and cure existing gyno.
I would just keep dosing the Nolva at 10mg ED for the next few days till your sides disappear. I suppose then if you really wanted to you could add the Dermacrine, sounds like you know more than me on this subject.
08-04-2010 06:10 PM
No worries about the Nolva. I am going to keep on dosing that, that's a given my friend. Since I posted earlier in the afternoon my disc is already feeling smaller and less noticeable, this is great. I am going to have to do some more research on the Dermacrine and see what I come up with.
I was going through some of my previous notes (I keep personal logs of work out routines, diet macros, supplements, etc. ) and I realized that at the beginning of the year I ran some old formula bottles of Gaspari's Novodex XT and 2 weeks after I finished both bottles of Novodex I wrote down the following: "noticed slight nipple itch, burning sensation on right nipple", but I never really put much thought in to it. I wonder if this could have any effect on my current situation? I've read about ATD compounds, especially Novodex causing a gyno-rebound effect, anyone have reputable information on this concept?
Sorry bout all the questions, its driving me nuts trying to figure out what triggered the gyno onset. I need to figure out what supplements to avoid...
08-04-2010 06:26 PM
What would you say about adding Clomid to break down my new-found-tit instead of nolva? I have clomid, don't have nolva, but am looking for a reputable source if anyone has one. I am on a SD/tren cycle currently, btw.
08-04-2010 07:02 PM
As i said before dude, be patient, but i am extremley glad it is showing some improvement. At the end of the day it will hinder your gains somewhat...how much is really up to your body dude. Considering your only on your 3rd day your progress is excellent!
Originally Posted by Xerxes
How do i find my batch number? I highly doubt that is a bad batch of hormones that just cause people gyno. Everyone is different, and just because hdrol doesnt convert to estrogen OR has no one complaining about gyno doesnt mean it wont happen to you. Some people have lots of estrogen build up, or lack of, lack of test, too much test, so much imbalance before you take something sythentic in your boyd ofcourse your body may react negatively.
08-04-2010 07:06 PM
I agree with bashman. Dermacrine is another hormonal thing your going to add to your body? I dont really agree with battling a side effect from a DS with another DS or PH or whatever it is....each to their own though, i have seen alot of people love espitane for reducing their gyno
08-04-2010 07:09 PM
Clomid during cycle is a area i am not sure about. Clomid is definitley a reccommended PCT for Tren due to its different ant-estrogen properties that Nolva so you have picked the right one there!
Originally Posted by Enantato
Did it just flare up OR have you had this issue previously?
If it was there previously, i would have no idea on why you chose to do Tren?!
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