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    any suggestions, for not so hot bloodwork?


    Blood work 1 month after PCT after taking hdrol for 5 weeks at 75mg, pct was nolva 20/20/10/10


    LH 5.2 1.7-8.6
    Testosterone Serum 275 280-800
    Estradiol 30.5 7.6-42.6
    FSH 1.4 1.5-12.4


    Obviously disapointed... what should I do?

    Have Clomid on hand and all sorts of shieet.

    Patrick Arnold has theorized that this could be a case of my body taking longer to respond to my LH. Meaning everythings gravy but my test levels will just take some time to peak back up.

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    Did you run a tbooster in pct?
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    Possibly true - it generally takes something like 4 weeks for the testes to start producing a lot of test even after they have regained their original size, if you look at studies where subjects recover naturally. I also no longer believe that 20/20/10/10 nolva is enough for recovery, maybe if stacked with an OTC PCT, but I have lost a lot of faith in those as well.

    HDrol also was quite suppressive for me. I'll be getting blood work after my PCT from the natadrol I'm currently on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    Blood work 1 month after PCT after taking hdrol for 5 weeks at 75mg, pct was nolva 20/20/10/10


    LH 5.2 1.7-8.6
    Testosterone Serum 275 280-800
    Estradiol 30.5 7.6-42.6
    FSH 1.4 1.5-12.4


    Obviously disapointed... what should I do?

    Have Clomid on hand and all sorts of shieet.

    Patrick Arnold has theorized that this could be a case of my body taking longer to respond to my LH. Meaning everythings gravy but my test levels will just take some time to peak back up.
    May wanna jump on a t-booster for the meantime, see if it speeds up the process.
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    it is good that you get to see that a low-dosed nolva pct is not very effective... CLOMID next time man. I bet if you do a few weeks of clomid right now it'll fix your numbers right up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    it is good that you get to see that a low-dosed nolva pct is not very effective... CLOMID next time man. I bet if you do a few weeks of clomid right now it'll fix your numbers right up.
    Yup, difference is night and day with the 2 SERMs..
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    i would go otc
    t booster
    also
    6-bromo or resveratrol 4 to 6 weeks
    do you have eny sides loss libido sensative puffy nipps
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    What about using them both? You guys have me worried cuz PCT is coming up in two weeks and now I'm thinking the Nolva won't cut it... Better place an order lol

    Dead Aim did you try using something like DAA? I would run clomid for four weeks and on the 4th week start the 12 day DAA dosing. Couldn't hurt right?
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    Yeah Im jumping on the clomid 50/50/25/25 cuz its lying around. Excited for huge loads....

    Was wondering why I was getting acne and felt lethargic...
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    acne could be a sign of testosterone coming back from even lower levels. For me acne/oily face happens when test is elevated, but I also seem to get acne when my test is in flux, so you theorized you might already be moving back up... The lethargy though yes def. low test symptom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    acne could be a sign of testosterone coming back from even lower levels. For me acne/oily face happens when test is elevated, but I also seem to get acne when my test is in flux, so you theorized you might already be moving back up... The lethargy though yes def. low test symptom.
    About the only thing I got from t boosters was Acne, so I went off of that to theorize that they did work somewhat.. But I agree with Unreal Machine about the oily face.. I got my test levels checked back the last time I got a physical... And I had acne like a mf and my test levels were sky high
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    High estrogen can cause acne as well, or proportionally high estrogen, womens acne gets better when they regulate their estrogen with birth control ya know.

    This blows ****hole, I love reasons to dog on otc pct for hdrol, but I didnt want to use my own bloodwork as an example...

    DAA shouldnt be necessary, my LH is fine, going to use clomid to raise my fsh and test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    High estrogen can cause acne as well, or proportionally high estrogen, womens acne gets better when they regulate their estrogen with birth control ya know.

    This blows ****hole, I love reasons to dog on otc pct for hdrol, but I didnt want to use my own bloodwork as an example...

    DAA shouldnt be necessary, my LH is fine, going to use clomid to raise my fsh and test.
    You know what dead aim you always got some good stuff to say, but in general when you can back something with your own PERSONAL experience it makes people listen even more. Im sure you will be fine in a few weeks, but everything we do with our bodies is a learning experience imo. A lot more than we can learn from reading what has been written
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    i wouldnt be shocked if the antibiotics you've on for the past month have negatively effected your test levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernCharm View Post
    You know what dead aim you occasionally got some good stuff to say
    fixed it for you buddy lol
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    LOL Im gunna turn into hump and imply that everyones comment in my thread is them wanting to blow me .

    anyone run clomid in here that can offer some insight? Im curious if I will be able to feel a difference a few weeks into it, or if I will have to wait 2 months for bloodwork to know if anything is going on.
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    Nolva isn't really PCT. You can take it whenever you want.
    You pretty much did absolutely nothing to get your natural test going again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    Nolva isn't really PCT. You can take it whenever you want.
    You pretty much did absolutely nothing to get your natural test going again.
    Yeah I feel like im right around where I should be with no PCT.


    Id say the nolva was bunk, but I did get side effects from it...

    Glad my clomid is prescription.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    Nolva isn't really PCT. You can take it whenever you want.
    You pretty much did absolutely nothing to get your natural test going again.
    this is just simply incorrect.

    Nolva has been proven to increase test levels nearly 150% of baseline in just 10days and secondly increase pituitary sensitivity to GnRH
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    Yeah I feel like im right around where I should be with no PCT.


    Id say the nolva was bunk, but I did get side effects from it...

    Glad my clomid is prescription.
    what "sides" did u get?

    nolva def sounds like it was garbage
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    Dizzyness, and a few other ones. Although could have just been symptoms of low T
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    Dizzyness, and a few other ones. Although could have just been symptoms of low T
    id bet 99.999% of the "sides" were from bunk nolva....meaing a lack of a proper PCT.

    there shouldnt be any sides directly relating to nolva
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    Yeah I feel like im right around where I should be with no PCT.


    Id say the nolva was bunk, but I did get side effects from it...

    Glad my clomid is prescription.
    Im on the same boat with you man. i get my other test results back next week from LabCorp. Seems like the Nolva did jack sh!t for me, but i know it was legit (reputable site and cleared gyno up).
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    Nolvadex has plenty of side effects associated with it... its not gummi bears.

    wish me luck on the clomid mother ****ers
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    Nolvadex has plenty of side effects associated with it
    like what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    like what?
    nausea, vomiting, hot flashes, numbness, and blurred vision can occur...though i think these are extremely rare and its much mor elikely the sides were from either a) bunk nolva therefore low T or b) a negative interaction between prescription meds
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    Dizzyness, and a few other ones. Although could have just been symptoms of low T
    Speaking of sides, have you or anyone else here experienced localized hives while taking nolva? Just curious, because there I may be having a reaction on my shins.
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    Echoing what others have said: nolva was either crap or badly underdosed. I assume it was research.

    Do you have baseline test #s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HumpTheCook View Post
    nausea, vomiting, hot flashes, numbness, and blurred vision can occur...though i think these are extremely rare and its much mor elikely the sides were from either a) bunk nolva therefore low T or b) a negative interaction between prescription meds
    well duh, i could have googled it for the actual sides of the drug. but ive never heard of anyone actually having sides while running nolva other than libido and acne which is also associated with low test.
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    I do not, but i wasnt experiencing any lower testosterone symptoms prior to my cycle.

    My LH looks fine, glad my balls are ok . It was research grade bunk... lol
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    let us know bud how the clomid works- but its human grade so u should be g2g


    Im on human grade atm sooooo GOOD LUCK!
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    how is the clomid working for you shwell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    how is the clomid working for you shwell?
    he quit after two days haha
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    Ehh Good actually on my last pct i did an otc since it was a short epi cycle- I had the lethargy you described BAD last pct for about a week


    This time around No lethargy at all- mood is good and I am slowly becoming interested in the opposite sex kept all gains as well


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    Quote Originally Posted by HumpTheCook View Post
    he quit after two days haha
    huh? whered u get that info sir?


    Im still on it lol

    I quit mdrol after like 4 thats all i know off......


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    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    huh? whered u get that info sir?


    Im still on it lol

    I quit mdrol after like 4 thats all i know off......


    ?????? HUMP STOP SLANDERING ME!!!!
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    I've never noticed anything from nolva, no sides, no signs of high testosterone. In my nolva-only PCTs i recovered but never really felt any different.

    When i started clomid PCTs i always noticed high testosterone... IMO nolva is best utilized to control estrogen and prevent rebound gyno and clomid is best utilized to get natural testosterone going. A stack of the two is pretty ideal.
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    I enjoyed sucking your long fat shlong last night Humpy !

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    Without a doubt using the stack on my m14add/pmag pct cycle- will at least have nolva on hand to deal with any possible gyno
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    Really??!!^^^^
    LOL

    Yeah your man whore i seeing other man whores!!!!!


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