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    Quote Originally Posted by GnastyMcNasty View Post
    any of you guys ever get the tren "cough"? A few guys who have run the tren I am getting have said it gave it to them... I'm a little nervous about that..sounds pretty gnarly
    never had any problems like that. my only sides:
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnastyMcNasty View Post
    any of you guys ever get the tren "cough"? A few guys who have run the tren I am getting have said it gave it to them... I'm a little nervous about that..sounds pretty gnarly
    from my experience, u can get the "cough" from any injectable. i believe it happens when u pass through a vein and the oil/ba/bb gets into ur bloodstream. but ive noticed its more severe with tren....almost like u cant stop coughing and want to vomit and fall the floor...not so fun
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    I'm on my first cutting cycle. As never having to loose weight before I screwed up in the beginning, I lost half inch in my arm, and about that in my chest, however I dropped almost 2.5" in my waist so far. I'm using h-drol, EC stack and eating way less, it's working for me!

    Lost about 15-17 pounds so far, and I can tell most is fat, even with the muscle loss i'm told I still look "big"

    I think some was also water weight from the last cycle of SD, I looked like a balloon!

    Good write-up man.

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    Realized this was just "recomp" not cutting. My bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    So true man so true. I tried to make it clear that a recomp is the HARDEST thing you can do... You need excess cals to build muscle, but calorie deficiency to lose fat, here you are trying to accomplish both of those, so the diet has no room for error.



    I don't get into specifics because I think everybody has their own thing they do for cardio. By now, people should know what type of cardio works for them.

    For me, when i'm not lifting i do cardio/abs days. I spend about 15-20 minutes doing ab excercises (some weighted ab exercises, crunches, obliques, leg raises etc.). My cardio is always 30 minutes, I guess most time is spent in the 140-160 HR region but I always spend a good chunk of time in the 160-170 region.

    BTW for recomping and pure fat burning, i have read that you should have a little less intensity i.e. 120-130 HR because greater intensity is more catabolic and less likely to burn fat... If you do this low HR, I would certainly do the cardio for a lot longer like 45 minutes at least.

    I just do what works for me, i like to go up and down with the intensity, I like to sweat a lot.


    Honestly I hate cardio though it's so boring. Get an MP3 player that can play videos, torrent a TV show you want to see, load it onto your video MP3 player, and only let yourself watch those episodes when you do cardio. I did that last summer, that helped me do 2x sessions a day

    i have read that also, and have friends that swear by that.. but i do hiit for 20 minutes after each weight session seems to really be doing the trick for me, heart rate usually stays around 165-175 except during cool down and warm up, also great if your just short on time..

    and hey bro do you mind checking my diet?

    Check/Rate my Diet

    seems to be doing its job for now, but never hurts to have second opinions..

    great post by the way.. subbed
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    bump. This deserves more attention IMO. haha
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    Unreal,
    I was planning on doing a Epi/Tren cycle for a recomp. Would this be a good choice? I was thinking;

    Epi-30/30/30/30/30/30

    Tren-0/0/90/90/90/90
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    i think that is fine. but a recomp goes way, way beyond the cycle, what are you going to do for lifting and cardio? That's far more important.
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    My lifting now is the Westside routine. Don't know if that would be the best program for a recomp. Cardio will probably be running 2-2.5 miles 5-6 days a week. Im just worried that the Tren will interfere with my cardio.
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    so im using 50mg of superdrol bridged into 80mg of epistane, im not eating enough calories, but im loosing weight. what the hell?

    I thought steroids make you gain muscle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justinc View Post
    My lifting now is the Westside routine. Don't know if that would be the best program for a recomp. Cardio will probably be running 2-2.5 miles 5-6 days a week. Im just worried that the Tren will interfere with my cardio.
    I think Westside will work well for a recomp, I like to train for strength when calories aren't very high, it just seems easier to recover from. The cardio sounds good but maybe on the short side because that's like what 20 minutes maybe you could start pushing further with your runs as you get in better shape...
    Which brings me to the last point, the tren shouldn't impair your cardio. I mean it can for some people but usually they're talking about REAL tren although the PH tren is pretty similar. For me anyway, steroids never impair my cardio... Last summer on my recomp I started off with Tren and i was doing so much cardio i was consistently getting better at it. Which is good because when i got better at it, I just made my sessions longer and accomplished even more fat burning .

    So i think on the cardio you should be able to improve on the tren, if you have to just take it slow and push through it, probably better to do a lower intensity type cardio anyway. Then start pushing the cardio longer as you become more capable.

    The most likely problem you could encounter running around on Tren is calf pumps/cramps. Sooo take some taurine, stay hydrated, stretch them out first, all that jazz.
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    So I guess a "REcomp" is impossible unless u do a cycle...or is it??? I carb cycle and all that...aside from the milk a day my diet is clean...I lift 4x a week and just began hiit after calves nabs on off day...will I be able to maintain and burn fat atleast...maybe if gain a lil???
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    Quote Originally Posted by manicstudio View Post
    So I guess a "REcomp" is impossible unless u do a cycle...or is it??? I carb cycle and all that...aside from the milk a day my diet is clean...I lift 4x a week and just began hiit after calves nabs on off day...will I be able to maintain and burn fat atleast...maybe if gain a lil???
    My bad didn't know this was in anabolic section....still welcome answers though
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    it is virtually impossible to add muscle while you lose fat without the presence of anabolics in your body. even with them its next to impossible.

    one requires a calorie defecit while the other requires a calorie surplus
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    Quote Originally Posted by manicstudio View Post
    So I guess a "REcomp" is impossible unless u do a cycle...or is it??? I carb cycle and all that...aside from the milk a day my diet is clean...I lift 4x a week and just began hiit after calves nabs on off day...will I be able to maintain and burn fat atleast...maybe if gain a lil???
    not at all, just have to perfect your diet.. Maybe look into a few natty supps that could help you out.. i would def recommend a nutrient partitioner (recompadrol, anabolic pump, glycobol,etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HumpTheCook View Post
    it is virtually impossible to add muscle while you lose fat without the presence of anabolics in your body. even with them its next to impossible.

    one requires a calorie defecit while the other requires a calorie surplus
    I have been running a pretty successful recomp with nothing but the natabolic stack, recompadrol, and my staple supps.. No where near as successful as if i were using anabolics, but I know its possible for me anyways..
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    Quote Originally Posted by zodiiac523 View Post
    not at all, just have to perfect your diet.. Maybe look into a few natty supps that could help you out.. i would def recommend a nutrient partitioner (recompadrol, anabolic pump, glycobol,etc)
    I think it'd also require you to eat slightly closer to 8 meals a day. I'm not saying this has to be done on a ton of cals either. Just spread your cals throughout the 8 meals and just make sure you'll slightly over maintenance. I think that'll help.
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    never thought of that, i currently eat 7 meals on workout days..
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    Recomping without a cycle is just really really slow. But it depends on where you're at. If you're new to lifting and you're also a fatass, it's pretty easy to add muscle and lose fat. If you're an experienced lifter with decent bodyfat, it's so goddamn tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    Recomping without a cycle is just really really slow. But it depends on where you're at. If you're new to lifting and you're also a fatass, it's pretty easy to add muscle and lose fat. If you're an experienced lifter with decent bodyfat, it's so goddamn tough.
    yes, but its still recomping, very slowly gaining muscle and losing fat... I guess ill be able to fully enjoy the recomp in a couple years when i finally decide to run a cycle..
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    unreal,

    I've talked with you a long time ago and at the time we were both thinking that just bulking and then cutting would likely yield better results than trying to recomp. Would be interested to hear if your thoughts changed from way back in the day or how you feel about it now. I've always felt that just bulking for one cycle and then cutting for another was the best way but I'm more than happy to be wrong.
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    When some people go on a carb cycle they put more lean muscle on than when they bulk, I think people respond differently what most people think of as 'bulking' and 'cutting' shedules.

    I think putting on lean muscle and loosing BF% is entirely possible if your willing to work at it. And just as effective - if not more in terms of achieving and maintaining more permenant goals.
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    This is truely an inspiring thread, Excellent info, youre a diamond Unreal, much respect.

    I was going to go all out on cutting in january with a carb cycle, But Ill use the valuable info in your first log here and design a recomp for myself. Im thinking of using proviron full time from Jan till April with a bit of Letrozole if I can get hold of them, so far all my sources have chickened out. Ive already got 500 Dbol at 5mg, I might just pulse that with PCT instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZamaMan View Post
    Wow great write up! I was woundering though since your body does alot of muscle repair at night would be be better to do your cardio and low carb meals in am and than more carbs and weight lifting in pm so you have more nutrients at night to rebuild?
    Insulin senstivity get less and less during the day, say if you get up at 7am, by 5pm your body at its lowest already and eating meals with high carbs at this stage is pointless, your body will use whatever carbs youve stored at night, no need to eat more late in the evening, infact its the last thing you want to do, a little bit of protien will trick your body into opening up the fat stored for carbs

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    so im using 50mg of superdrol bridged into 80mg of epistane, im not eating enough calories, but im loosing weight. what the hell?

    I thought steroids make you gain muscle?
    Im having the same problem with deca Im taking at the moment, it completely supressed my appetite, I was shaking and making myself feel sick forcing myself to eat, but I havnt manage to eat enough - its ruined my cycle so far . Ive bought some Dbol and its helping, also starting tri-tren now and Ive heared that will help too.
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    I added in 100mg of anadrol 50, and it fixed the weight problems. now im swole like a mo fo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I added in 100mg of anadrol 50, and it fixed the weight problems. now im swole like a mo fo.
    He missed the sarcasm part i think
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    its helped with the hunger, but I havnt seen any water retension yet, infact Ive dropped 3 kilos over the weekend, but that was due to eating more carbs (I know most wont undertand what I just said) and thermogenics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggfly View Post
    He missed the sarcasm part i think
    who? you? me? him? its so hard to hear sarcasm with words on a screen. I can only assume he knew my post was a joke, and he was just going along with it, in which I just kept on going.?

    but who knows.
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    this thread is all a figment of unreals imagination


    if u wanna recomp DO NOT LISTEN TO UNREAL NO MATTER WHAT!
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
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    The things I would like to say to that would nicely earn me an infraction and get me banned, so Ill say it politely:

    schwellington go away you negative ignorant individual
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    who? you? me? him? its so hard to hear sarcasm with words on a screen...
    nope i didnt get it

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    ... I can only assume he knew my post was a joke, and he was just going along with it, in which I just kept on going.?

    but who knows.
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    scwell is just messing with unreal. we all love scwel, he's like our little brother with a learning disability. you cant not like him.
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    Pulsing Dbol alternated with appetite supressors would work nicely on a carb cycle - cleaver me
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    scwell is just messing with unreal. we all love scwel, he's like our little brother with a learning disability. you cant not like him.
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    I've been recomping for the last 12 weeks, almost exactly as Unreal has outlined. I've lost 20lbs of fat and gained 5lbs of lean body mass. This is all while getting stronger every week. Oh, and its been all natural. I've got some pretty sweet before and afters if ppl want me to throw em up. I still need about 10 more lbs of fat gone in order to look as sick as I want. Wish me luck.

    Just realized that this was for a recomp "cycle". So I probably shouldn't have posted my experience since there has been no cycle, lol. oh well.
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    nice I'll be referencing this thread come feb.
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    Thanks for the write-up, unreal. I'm lookin at running a recomp in the future with epi-strong, katanadrol v2.0, T3 and clen. I'll be using this as a guide and look forward to running this cycle. Hopefully with my crazy schedule I'll be able to keep my diet in check
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legacyfighter View Post
    I've been recomping for the last 12 weeks, almost exactly as Unreal has outlined. I've lost 20lbs of fat and gained 5lbs of lean body mass...
    Outstanding sir, thats it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neverstop View Post
    unreal,

    I've talked with you a long time ago and at the time we were both thinking that just bulking and then cutting would likely yield better results than trying to recomp. Would be interested to hear if your thoughts changed from way back in the day or how you feel about it now. I've always felt that just bulking for one cycle and then cutting for another was the best way but I'm more than happy to be wrong.
    Honestly man it's a tough comparison. Bulking and cutting are independently more efficient than recomping. Your body is not made to gain lots of muscle while losing lots of fat, it just won't happen very quickly. So by themselves bulking and cutting are more efficient.

    However bulk cycle then PCT then time off then cut cycle then PCT is a lot of time and 2 PCTs. The first PCT following a bulk cycle is sure to see some weight loss... With a recomp cycle it's just 1 cycle, just 1 PCT, and you probably won't lose any weight when you're done. I didn't. You put on a very maintainable amount of muscle over a good period of time. Coming off a bulk you are going to lose mass in PCT. Anyway it's nice accomplishing so much with just 1 cycle instead of 2. But IMO a recomp cycle is more work than bulking or cutting. you are trying to do both so you have to have a PERFECT diet and still eat a good amount of food, still lift really hard, and ALSO do tons of cardio. It is a tall order :P

    I don't think anything is best, it depends on where you are and how you want to look. If your end goal is to get HUGE AND RIPPED then do what bodybuilders do, bulk up like crazy and cut and repeat. But if you want to look good the whole time and keep walking around with low bodyfat, recomps are nice.

    I gain fat easily and it's tough to lose fat so I pretty much gain fat everytime I bulk and usually add fat in PCTs and time off as well. After several months a cut is needed just to get my bodyfat back to where it was. So counterproductive. With a recomp I can stay lean. You never blow up 15 pounds and get massive strength like on a bulk cycle but that's the price you pay for being lean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legacyfighter View Post
    I've been recomping for the last 12 weeks, almost exactly as Unreal has outlined. I've lost 20lbs of fat and gained 5lbs of lean body mass. This is all while getting stronger every week. Oh, and its been all natural. I've got some pretty sweet before and afters if ppl want me to throw em up. I still need about 10 more lbs of fat gone in order to look as sick as I want. Wish me luck.

    Just realized that this was for a recomp "cycle". So I probably shouldn't have posted my experience since there has been no cycle, lol. oh well.
    Damn good job! Those before and after pictures are incredible. Now if anyone asks me if my recomping ideas work i will just point them to your post lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpekz View Post
    Thanks for the write-up, unreal. I'm lookin at running a recomp in the future with epi-strong, katanadrol v2.0, T3 and clen. I'll be using this as a guide and look forward to running this cycle. Hopefully with my crazy schedule I'll be able to keep my diet in check
    diet is everything. good luck
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    With a recomp, is the goal to finish at approx. the same weight you started? I only ask because I'm prone towards losing weight very easily (fat and muscle) and every pound I've gained has taken a LOT of eating, so I'm trying to find a way to get rid of a few (10-15) lbs of fat without actually dropping that on the scale, but doing all that cardio makes it seem like it's going to be very difficult to maintain my weight.
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