Thoughts on 11-oxo or 11-sterone? PCT?
05-28-2010 03:59 PM
Thoughts on 11-oxo or 11-sterone? PCT?
Anybody had success with this? Do you need PCT with it? Want to run something mild that is not going to shut me down. Have Mdrol at home but am nursing a shoulder and trying to lean up a little for the summer.
05-28-2010 04:14 PM
In the lower doses 225-300 for say 4 weeks, PA says you dont even need anything for PCT. In mid range doses up to about 500, he recomends something OTC. But if you run it 750-900mg you should use a serm probably.
05-28-2010 04:21 PM
It's supposed to be very effective at 450mg (reported 'sweet spot'). Supposedly very mild, OTC PCT 'should' be fine for doses under 600mg.
Would love to hear feedback from people who actually ran it though..
05-28-2010 04:42 PM
I ran it at 300mg ED for 6 weeks. No PCT and all felt fine. Recomp turned out pretty nice. Haven't ran it any higher.
No bloodwork to prove it, but take it for what it's worth.
05-28-2010 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by Kookahdoo
Whoa, no PCT! I'd be too nervous.
05-28-2010 05:29 PM
Haha relax at 300mg your getting barley anyyy shutdown of LH or test.
Originally Posted by sluggy
I would still obey time on = time off, as well as the fact I probably wouldnt run it so low anyway. Expensive stuff tho.
05-28-2010 06:24 PM
OTC pct is fine, this compound is super week in regards to shutdown
05-28-2010 11:55 PM
i'm planning to use 11-oxo to bridge into PCT from my 19-norandro stack at a dose somewhere between 225mg & 375 mg for about 2-3 weeks. what do you guys think ?
05-29-2010 02:23 PM
I think you need to run it higher to cause sufficient supression before you hit PCT.
Originally Posted by DrAbs989
Otherwise boobies might grow
05-30-2010 10:28 AM
to DrAbs --
Following up on deadaim's comment, you are either A) running actives and not recovering, or B) recovering and into PCT.
Your body's testosterone production is mostly shut down once you are into a cycle. When this happens, you need to be taking enough AAS to compensate for the missing natural testosterone AND a substantial amount on top of that (otherwise, there is no point to the cycle). And when you are done with the cycle, you need to get your HPTA back in order as quickly as possible.
The gist of that is that it doesn't make sense to take a middling amount of a weak anabolic to finish off a cycle. You need to think "I am either ON or OFF." 300-375 mg of 11oxo strikes me as an undesirable middle ground, where you are hindering HPTA recovery but also not taking enough to get any kind of gains.
And as deadaim notes, that kind of middle ground also can complicate the estrogenic picture.
This will sound contradictory, but I will add that 11oxo is supposed to have a very short half-life. Patrick Arnold on another forum gave a SWAG of a half-life of a few hours. If you are smart about your dosing, and take it all at once in the morning (so that you are as far away as possible from the sleeping testosterone pulse), then 11oxo might help you to maintain gains as you enter PCT. Low-dose dianabol has been used that way for a long time. But you need to be doing full-blown PCT with a SERM for this to work.
05-30-2010 12:11 PM
Chim chim can you suggest what a 19-nor PCT with 11-oxo might look like; serm, ai, and 11oxo... Doses?
What about a natty T booster?
05-31-2010 08:28 AM
as far as pct is concerned, check out the testosterone recovery stack by primordial performance. Chim Chim is right in every aspect and this stack is one that I used after a dymethezine and finavol (50 mgs of 19 nor) and I was fine. If you're really shut down or want to be extras cautious, personally I suggest researching torem. It's the only serm I'd use if I needed to.
06-01-2010 04:23 PM
Thanks guys.....I am still debating. Wish more people would respond with personal experience.
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