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    I must be lucky, even though my libido was down post M1T, it wasnt as bad as all of you are saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet-physique

    I would also be very interested in more feedabck from SS.
    Here's my take on M-Dien. It works great at a good dose (around 5mg) given that you don't have any problems with it holding in solution, like I did. The tabs should be great for accurate dosing. I feel it is definitely more mild than M1T in every aspect, and for me worked great to keep muscle while dieting. I didn't have huge increases in strength like I did with M1T, but I was bulking with 6,000+cals/day on M1T and dieting with 2,000-2,500cals/day on M-Dien. My liver enzymes didn't get nearly as high as they did with M1T, but the biggest overall health difference I saw between the two is that M-Dien didn't totally **** my lipid profile like M1T did. In about 4+weeks of M-Dien my HDL went from around 45-50 to about 37-39. On M1T HDL hits about 4-7 in a matter of days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    Here's my take on M-Dien. It works great at a good dose (around 5mg) given that you don't have any problems with it holding in solution, like I did. The tabs should be great for accurate dosing. I feel it is definitely more mild than M1T in every aspect, and for me worked great to keep muscle while dieting. I didn't have huge increases in strength like I did with M1T, but I was bulking with 6,000+cals/day on M1T and dieting with 2,000-2,500cals/day on M-Dien. My liver enzymes didn't get nearly as high as they did with M1T, but the biggest overall health difference I saw between the two is that M-Dien didn't totally **** my lipid profile like M1T did. In about 4+weeks of M-Dien my HDL went from around 45-50 to about 37-39. On M1T HDL hits about 4-7 in a matter of days.

    And THAT, IMHO, is why we see the rapid gains on M1T level out so quickly. Whenever I get some M1T powder I'm going to see if low dosing it is the way to go..like maybe 1mg per day or twice a day run with 4AD or test base. Anywho, yes M1T is a harsh and suppressive mistress. In 14 days you'll go from feeling god-like to dog-poo. The recovery time can be pretty lengthy as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    DB - what was your dozage at??
    My doses started at 20mg ed and I ended the cycle at after 5 weeks at 40 mg ed.
    first two weeks were @ 20.
    3rd and 4th week @ 30
    5th week @ 40

    I had to keep increasing the dose because as mention already the gains starting leveling off quite early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by db682
    My doses started at 20mg ed and I ended the cycle at after 5 weeks at 40 mg ed.
    first two weeks were @ 20.
    3rd and 4th week @ 30
    5th week @ 40

    I had to keep increasing the dose because as mention already the gains starting leveling off quite early.

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    20,30,40mg? We are talking about Methyl Dien correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    20,30,40mg? We are talking about Methyl Dien correct?
    I think he's talking m1t
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleMonster
    I think he's talking m1t
    Correct.
    My Last cycle of Mdien was @ 2.5mg twice a day. Loved it.

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    ok cool, i was about to say...
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    what if you were to chew the MD ? would it react faster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by themadman
    what if you were to chew the MD ? would it react faster?
    that's a joke,right?
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    well I can see what he means.. cuz a lot of things if you chew them will effect you quicker.. but this is not the case when it comes to pH's.. for example back when I used to take E I would chew it up so it would work faster and hit me harder..
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    Quote Originally Posted by themadman
    what if you were to chew the MD ? would it react faster?

    w/ Grapefruit Juice gets my vote. proven effective
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    Anyone notice any significant hairloss? Anyone who is prone to on cycle? Would it be a bad idea to continue using finasteride while on MD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by propho
    well I can see what he means.. cuz a lot of things if you chew them will effect you quicker.. but this is not the case when it comes to pH's.. for example back when I used to take E I would chew it up so it would work faster and hit me harder..
    that is what i was trying to get across,cuz i know that with some drugs,meds,ect they say not to chew cuz it will intenceify the effects.
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    The reason some drugs such as lortab are more potent when you chew them up is because they are time released,and when you chew them up it is no longer time released.
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    how does stacking MD with some type of NO2(LG cold fusion) sound?
    It seems that most are getting leaner and harder on MD,so if you were to stack it with NO2(LG cold fusion) I think the pumps and hardness would would be insane.
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    I used DS's m-dien at 4mg for two weeks on a cutting cycle. The results were great, I lost about four pounds of fat and gained a few pounds of muscle. The results far exceeded my expectations. The training log is over at Avant called "Two Week Cut."
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    I took NO2 for about a month and a half and it did'nt do anything for me.I got my bloodwork when I was taking it and my kidney values were all sky high,I quit taking it and they went back to normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett
    I took NO2 for about a month and a half and it did'nt do anything for me.I got my bloodwork when I was taking it and my kidney values were all sky high,I quit taking it and they went back to normal.
    interesting...
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    I'm almost done with week 2 on Designersupp's MD, using 5mg a day. I must say I haven't gained any weight at all since the start of this cycle, but strength is up on most exercises still and pumps are very nice. Something I've noticed over the past few days is that I've either gotten bigger or I managed to shrink all of my shirts in the wash this past week. All of my shirts are much tighter around the arms and back. Veins in the calves are sticking out more than normal as well, so this stuff might be kicking in now. Still have a few weeks left to fully assess this stuff, but I hope this is the start of something good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cscsguy
    I'm almost done with week 2 on Designersupp's MD, using 5mg a day. I must say I haven't gained any weight at all since the start of this cycle, but strength is up on most exercises still and pumps are very nice. Something I've noticed over the past few days is that I've either gotten bigger or I managed to shrink all of my shirts in the wash this past week. All of my shirts are much tighter around the arms and back. Veins in the calves are sticking out more than normal as well, so this stuff might be kicking in now. Still have a few weeks left to fully assess this stuff, but I hope this is the start of something good!

    Sounds like a nice body comp change. Happened on my last M1T/4AD/4OHT cycle. Only gained a few pounds but burned off a bunch of fat..looked damned good, until the fat came back PC, lol.
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    Starting week three now at 3mg ED, but thinking about bumping that up. Is everyone planning on PCT when coming off of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey
    Is everyone planning on PCT when coming off of this?
    UMMMMMMMMMMMMM, I think you should have planned PCT before starting it, not when coming off.
    PCT is a must!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey
    Starting week three now at 3mg ED, but thinking about bumping that up. Is everyone planning on PCT when coming off of this?

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    No PCT, what the hell is this guy doing?
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    smokey, definately bump it up.. i'd say 5mgs a day.. so i'm guessing the amount of mdien you have might not even be enough so order that and some nolva..nolva ASAP! everyone stockpiles this when cycling..
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    Ummmmmm, have the PCT already planned, but thanks for your concerns! First time using this PH or any PH that has actually worked, since retiring from AS 2 years ago. So the flaming about PCT completely unnecessary, just wanted to get the thoughts on it when it comes to PH's. So f'n relax people.....
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    sorry bro, just lookin out.. but like i said.. definately bump up the dosage..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    No PCT, what the hell is this guy doing?
    Hey Sifu, I know what the hell I am doing. Not some stupid lil 17 year old kid who is just popping pills of the latest fad. Been around the block more than once when it comes to alot harsher things than PH's, so relax. Just new to the latest wave of PH's that actually seem to work. So thanks for your great advice...
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    Chill out. I don't care what experiance you have or in what field it is in. When you take a powerful PH and ask about the PCT after the fact it is foolish. Look at my other threads, I give plenty of good advice. And I never advize no PCT after anything.
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    however VPX would =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    Chill out. I don't care what experiance you have or in what field it is in. When you take a powerful PH and ask about the PCT after the fact it is foolish. Look at my other threads, I give plenty of good advice. And I never advize no PCT after anything.
    Like I said, I have clomid sitting here waiting, but just wanted to get some more people's thoughts on it when it comes to PH. The last time I dealt with PH's was back in the 19NorAndro days which were all CRAP!! So just looking for some more info, can never have too many opinions, reviews, and information.
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    Why clomid over nolva?
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    Sifu, to be honest with you, it is what I have always used coming off any cycles I have done. Never had any problems with it, minus a few of the "trails" side effect that is common with clomid. I will admit however, I have been quite intrigued lately about the reports I am reading on how people are now preferring nolva over clomid for PCT.
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    No offense was meant, I just wondered why. I used clomid before nolva, but now that I have used nolva I will never go back.
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    Due to my wife throwing out my nolva I did no pct my last m1t cycle and I didn't die, pass out, get tits or grow a third head. While it may not be advisable to not do a pct and it wouldn't be something to practice . Some of you guys act like the earth will stop rotating which leads me to believe that half of ya have no real experience with any of this stuff but are just board warriors regurgitating crap you read about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    No offense was meant, I just wondered why. I used clomid before nolva, but now that I have used nolva I will never go back.
    No prob Sifu, knew you were just being curious. So you like nolva's that much better huh? I think I am going to pick them up for next time around. What sort of doses you been taking coming off PH's?
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    40mg a day for the first two weeks, 20mg a day for the next two weeks after that.

    It is cheap as hell to make your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
    Due to my wife throwing out my nolva I did no pct my last m1t cycle and I didn't die, pass out, get tits or grow a third head. While it may not be advisable to not do a pct and it wouldn't be something to practice . Some of you guys act like the earth will stop rotating which leads me to believe that half of ya have no real experience with any of this stuff but are just board warriors regurgitating crap you read about.

    Of course you won't die. However I will say this. The shut down, on M1T was worse than test, or any other AAS for me.
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