I want my thingy back - Whats better for increasing DHT? Proviron VS Andractim

[stilllearnin1]

If I need to get my DHT up after a failed PCT and everything is fine - what should I use Andractim or Proviron?

How should I run the cycle to avoid suppression

PLEASE POST ADVICE!! I need my thingy to work again as quickly and as safely as possible

 

[nosnmiveins]

what was ur cycle and pct?

 

[stilllearnin1]

what was ur cycle and pct?

i took tren xtreme (19nor which converts to nandrolone) and i took clomid for pct.

my testosterone levels and prolactin levels are in the normal range now but the severe ED and lack of libido persist.

I am 99.9999% sure (and I have tried every other thing in the book) that it is my DHT - something is wrong with my 5alpha reductase - i must have some deficiency from the tren xtreme. the only thing that has helped was when i did a 40 day cycle of 6-oxo and when I was taking about 800mgs a day that was the closest I have been to normal and I understand that that supplement is the only OTC that boots DHT

At this point I am just trying to figure out the best approach to running an oral or topical dht increasing cycle

 

[nosnmiveins]

well u had bloodwork done, why not just talk to ur doctor? why are u so convinced its DHT related?

 

[stilllearnin1]

well u had bloodwork done, why not just talk to ur doctor? why are u so convinced its DHT related?

i have been to the doctor countless times. they have no idea or dont care - endo and urologist. the only one is the neurologist that i havent seen yet. the doctors are very disinterested in helping my situation

here is why i think what i think -

If you look at the only other thing besides nandrolone that is messing up everyones libido its finast (propecia) a 5alpha reductase inhibitor.

i literally spend an hour or 2 a night researching this because the doctors wont and this is what i have come to the conclusion of at this point.

Here was what will help my libido:
6-oxo
Depo-Testosterone

All my testosterone levels are normal - e2 etc, and when i had the testosterone shot then my levels were high off the charts and i STILL didnt feel all the way better. When I did it was for a week or 2. Now they are normalized but I am still experiencing EXTREME ED - like DEAD D*CK completely. I don't want sex not even kinda. Also, I am putting on water weight in my legs and hips and sh*it. When I took 6oxo in high doses it worked. I could go pop right now and I would be normal for a day then fall off hard again. the only thing they havent tested is the progesterone-DHT connection.

The 5alpha-reductase enzyme converts the testosterone to DHT so if something were wrong with that enzyme then that would make sense that my symtoms line up with high progesterone/low DHT. I am experiencing the same problem as the propecia users are. so suffice it to say that the 5alpha reductase must be very sensitive. It must have gotten lazy from the tren and that is it.

There has to be someone out here that knows about this!! If not then I am single handedly discovering the problem for thousands of propecia users and people with long term deca d*ck and tren d*ck.

at this point - can we direct the thread to DHT cycling?

What do you recommend between the topical and oral? And how should I run the cycle so that I "train" the 5alpha reductase to normalize rather than supress it further?

When I took 6-oxo I went from 800 mg to 0 over 45 days and when I got to 400 or so I really fell back off. I think that this is because the 6oxo is not very focused on DHT it just happens to build up DHT a bit as it is a suicide inhibitor of the aramotase enzyme.

Does anyone know??

 

[stilllearnin1]

bump................

 

[pro520roost]

Progesterone is oppositional to DHT; it lowers 5-ARs EVERYWHERE. So I would say Progestins same thing, and to a higher degree. Andractrim works, but there are stronger formulations you can get.

I hope he has his thingy back it's been over three years

 

[jbryand101b]

3 year bump. They can finally get an answer

 

[pro520roost]

Lmao, I would hope by now this would all be figured out. Would be a laugh though if he replied to this suddenly with some post "Now, I found the answer"...

Lmao that would

 

[stilllearnin1]

It's dead

Hey Guys I got this email so I'll report back. Penis is still dead. It's been 5 years now. No libido no erections. No one knows why My blood tests are all within normal rangesI've pretty much giving up. I see a psychiatrist to help manage the emotional aspects of it al. Progestins are the worst thing ever. I would give anything to go back to how I was before I took that stuff.

 

[stilllearnin1]

I also lactate a small amount of discharge on a regular basis with low blood levels of estrogen and prolactin.

 

[stilllearnin1]

Are you saying I should take all of those things in all the categories (NO, Dopamine, Histamine, DHT, and appropriate Aromatase) ?

You asked if I have checked everything - I have had all of those checked and they fall in the "normal" range. Free test, DHT (Even comes in high when I am taking high testosterone)

I should clarify - about E2, My estrogen is in the normal range - its been very high and very low . Its currently in the "normal" range. Regardless of E being high or low. Penis is dead.

I had a comprehensive test done through Genova a few years ago and it showed serotonin normal I think--I can check. Related to Serotonin, I have tried 90 days of an SSRI (zoloft) to help my depression and a DRI (Abilify) for 90 days also. After the Abilify I started dreaming again which I hadnt done in years. I tried Remeron in the past and I just knocked out cold.. ? How can I know more about the serotonin thing? I am pretty depressed for someone to have high serotonin i would think..

 

[DangerDave]

Dude have you tried using legit caber? Or just trying otc sh*t?

Are you not into women now? Or dudes? Maybe the tren changed your sexuality?

In all seriousness run 1mg plus of caber ew for a couple months.

 

[DangerDave]

Tren can be harsh, same with Deca.

Oh I know brother. I'm a tren junkie :-D

 

[deadliftz]

Are you saying I should take all of those things in all the categories (NO, Dopamine, Histamine, DHT, and appropriate Aromatase) ? You asked if I have checked everything - I have had all of those checked and they fall in the "normal" range. Free test, DHT (Even comes in high when I am taking high testosterone) I should clarify - about E2, My estrogen is in the normal range - its been very high and very low . Its currently in the "normal" range. Regardless of E being high or low. Penis is dead. I had a comprehensive test done through Genova a few years ago and it showed serotonin normal I think--I can check. Related to Serotonin, I have tried 90 days of an SSRI (zoloft) to help my depression and a DRI (Abilify) for 90 days also. After the Abilify I started dreaming again which I hadnt done in years. I tried Remeron in the past and I just knocked out cold.. ? How can I know more about the serotonin thing? I am pretty depressed for someone to have high serotonin i would think..

SSRI use can also result in lasting or permanent sexual dysfunction, so that may not have helped.

 

[tcslick]

If I need to get my DHT up after a failed PCT and everything is fine - what should I use Andractim or Proviron?

How should I run the cycle to avoid suppression

PLEASE POST ADVICE!! I need my thingy to work again as quickly and as safely as possible

75mgs of proviron ED for 7 days then 25mg ED for as long as you like. That is what the Bater proviron instruction pamphlet recommends. It does miracles for me. You can even add in cialis

 

[tcslick]

Proviron and Cialis tend to complement each other real nicely

Haha yep they do

 

[TommyDrama]

Andractim. Rub a pea size on your genitals. It is DHT gel. It works. Try Vitex. It is good together. Andractim I'd use for muscle hardness and experienced a ridiculous increase in desire and libido. I tried that when I had a similar issue couple years back . It's hard to find but there is a place in France that sells it. You buy a prostate kit the first time and get two tubes. A little goes a long way. But yeah most doctors, endocrinologists, etc don't know but legit cabergoline and proviron together. Would be fine followed by exemstane. No rebound estro and increase test a bit. This is what helped me. DHT gel,vitex,exemstane. If you can get the gel or proviron, access to real caber and a suicidal aromatase like aromasin. It may help you like it did me from actual tren acetate I ran with test few years back.

 

[yates84]

Andractim. Rub a pea size on your genitals. It is DHT gel. It works. Try Vitex. It is good together. Andractim I'd use for muscle hardness and experienced a ridiculous increase in desire and libido. I tried that when I had a similar issue couple years back . It's hard to find but there is a place in France that sells it. You buy a prostate kit the first time and get two tubes. A little goes a long way. But yeah most doctors, endocrinologists, etc don't know but legit cabergoline and proviron together. Would be fine followed by exemstane. No rebound estro and increase test a bit. This is what helped me. DHT gel,vitex,exemstane. If you can get the gel or proviron, access to real caber and a suicidal aromatase like aromasin. It may help you like it did me from actual tren acetate I ran with test few years back.

Another 3 year bump lol

 

[TommyDrama]

You're probably right. I just saw this and remembered what I went through for a couple years.

 

[yates84]

You're probably right. I just saw this and remembered what I went through for a couple years.

I always have the opposite problem, just wanna nail everything walking! Especially with caber and proviron. Hopefully after 6 years the dude can catch wood though lol

 

[TommyDrama]

That's how I get on the andractim.

 

[yates84]

That's how I get on the andractim.

Then I need to stay the hell away from it!

 

[TommyDrama]

Haha yeah and not worth the $ for better DHT options.

 

[Napster007]

Dude, I know it's a very old thread, but I'm having the same issue, I have severe ED after tren cycle, it's been 8 months now since I dropped Tren, I almost tried every thing without benefit.
I did blood work many times, everything is within normal range, I don't know what's going on.
If you had found the answer to this problem, please help me out.

 

[Smont]

Dude, I know it's a very old thread, but I'm having the same issue, I have severe ED after tren cycle, it's been 8 months now since I dropped Tren, I almost tried every thing without benefit.
I did blood work many times, everything is within normal range, I don't know what's going on.
If you had found the answer to this problem, please help me out.

Post your most recent bloodwork

 

[Smont]

Proviron and test gets me revved up. PT-141 would probably be his best bet. Add cialis to either of those.

Remember tho. If he has a actual issue, proviron, Pt-141 (which I recently tried) more gear, things like cailis or viagra ect. There all bandaids. You gotta fix the root cause or he's gonna be playing with a cocktail of boner pills every time he wants to have sex

 

[BCseacow83]

Remember tho. If he has a actual issue, proviron, Pt-141 (which I recently tried) more gear, things like cailis or viagra ect. There all bandaids. You gotta fix the root cause or he's gonna be playing with a cocktail of boner pills every time he wants to have sex

So what, what you trying to say?!?!?! lol

 

[Smont]

So what, what you trying to say?!?!?! lol

Lol

 

[Smont]

Good point, his info he provided sounds psychological, but who knows. I found out about PT-141 from an interview with Suzanne Sommers of all people. She was 76 at the time and her husband was in his 80's. She said they both pin it every day and get funky almost every day! Pretty gross, but a damn strong endorsement lol!

I had some recently. I actually still have some already reconstituted leftover I didn't use. But I played around with it and I didn't notice a super strong effect 45min post inject like I was told but a few hours later and more specifically the next day it was kicking and if I moved the wrong way something might happen lol

 

[Smont]

Same here, anywhere from 3hrs to 12hrs and the south starts to rise!

Good to know, not a lot of first hand feedback on this stuff. Next time it comes up in convo I might tag you if ya don't mind

 

[BCseacow83]

Good point, his info he provided sounds psychological, but who knows. I found out about PT-141 from an interview with Suzanne Sommers of all people. She was 76 at the time and her husband was in his 80's. She said they both pin it every day and get funky almost every day! Pretty gross, but a damn strong endorsement lol!

I don't know what her husband looks/looked like but:

I'm still game, why not? I'll let you all know if thigh master gains are permanent.