im debating between fina or 1-test for my cattle..for those who have used both for there cattle which was more potent transdermally
Isn't Fina like $30 - $35 a gram before conversion?Personally you can look at the Fina thread to see if you really want to run it. If it were up to me personally I would use the T1-Pro. It is a much cheaper alternative. In speaking with you I know that you want to either run 12gm of Fina for 8 weeks or the T1 and some 4-AD. Well from an economic stand point the fina could run you $200 for the total package plus the T-Gel. The T1-Pro already has 10gm 1-test and 5gm of 4-AD. And for $200 you can get 3 bottles. And you can even buy the T4 if you want. You can run some heavy cycles with it and still have more around. Physically the Fina can shut you down very hard. I would stick with the T1-Pro since it would be best for the cattle. JMO
ur point?isnt 4ad and 1test and OTC supplement?
hey it bought out what i was really like i would be green and running around in shredded purple trousers:saw:
fina basically brings out what you really are like if you have some minor willpower you can handle it fine...
tho if you're gonna do fina, inject, its much cheaper, its much more accurate, and its much more effective
ok both fina and 1-test r steroids..this sis common knowlegde,both can be used transdermally..i wanted to know which was more effective via this delivery method..i know that fina would kick 1-test's ass if injected..but like i said im a a certified maniac on fina so im going on 1-test(i cant handle a lot of stims either im just high strung)my point is that you cant even compare an otc supplement to fina.
Fina is more potent no matter how you deliver it.
ok both fina and 1-test r steroids..this sis common knowlegde,both can be used transdermally..i wanted to know which was more effective via this delivery method..i know that fina would kick 1-test's ass if injected..but like i said im a a certified maniac on fina so im going on 1-test(i cant handle a lot of stims either im just high strung)
Where did you get this? And I mean the ratiosMost of fina's potency is actually in its CNS stimulation! 1-test is about 2 times as anabolic and i believe 2 times as androgenic as test prop mg per mg. Fina is 2 times as anabolic and 3 times as androgenic. I may be wrong on the 1-test androgenic ratio, it may be a little less or a little more but its definitely a lot less then fina's.
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Patrick arnold says that the differences are not that far off as far as GAINS. Par deus has been quoted as saying fina is probably 1/3 to 1/4 stronger mg per mg but im not sure if he is talking anabolically or androgneically or what.
I hate 4-AD because of the bloat and the lack of fat loss but its necessary with 1-test if you don't want to be a zombie.
Ok. I thought you had a study or something I was unaware of. Most of it is all theory and speculation anyway.In the all about fina thread in here they talk about fina's ratios. For 1-test, patrick arnold has posted on it being 200 percent more anabolic then test prop. For the androgenicity i remember it having lower androgenicity then anabolically from what par deus or patrick arnold has posted but not sure exactly what it is, it might be less then 2 times as androgenic which is believable since it makes me feel like a zombie.
Body composistion doens't mean fat loss. Its mean quality gains. You get more lean gains and quality gains with fina than 1-test. Also fina depresses lipogenisis when competeing estrogen is not present. Hence you get a harder look when on fina.In terms of overall gains they are similar but in terms of body composition and strength its not even close.
Body composition changes are not close/?? Are you saying more fat is burned on a fina cycle or something??? Patrick arnold says there is no such thing as special fat burning properties of fina. I don't know maybe the extra stimulation from the androgenicity makes you burn more fat ?????
As far as strength your right because its more androgenic.
Your right, physical fat loss does not occur, but bf% lower because of the lean gains made. Since it aids in the depression of lipogensis, your get cleaner, harder, and more lean gains with fina. 1-Test has not been shown to do this, yet.
Body composition changes are not close/?? Are you saying more fat is burned on a fina cycle or something??? Patrick arnold says there is no such thing as special fat burning properties of fina. I don't know maybe the extra stimulation from the androgenicity makes you burn more fat ?????
Your right, physical fat loss does not occur, but bf% lower because of the lean gains made. Since it aids in the depression of lipogensis, your get cleaner, harder, and more lean gains with fina. 1-Test has not been shown to do this, yet.
This was recently discussed at length over at bb.com. Here are a couple of quotes.im debating between fina or 1-test for my cattle..for those who have used both for there cattle which was more potent transdermally
I do not care what the literature says in regards to this. As a real life user of both, I will say 1-test never came close to the effects and gains of trenbolone for ME.
Secondly, if I am going to do an androgen, I would much rather do one that makes me energetic and agressive (trenbolone) then lethargic and unmotivated (1-test)
Trenbolone for me..transformed my physique. 1-test gave me lots of sides, very little gains, and bad estrogen rebound post cycle. Just MY experience, so no tearing my head off with textbook examples.
Even though PA mentions injection, he was responding to queries about transdermal fina.It is hard to tell exactly how tren compares to 1-test from the animal test charts i have.
1-test is around 200% as anabolic as test prop by injection.
tren acetate is around 500% as potent as nandrolone acetate by injection.
Now they use two different control compounds here so direct comparison is not easy.
However, from my guess and from other stuff I have read, tren acetate is probably considerably more potent than 1-test. However, that does not mean 1-test is weak, it just means that tren acetate is very potent.
Now, I also pointed out that some people end up becoming non-responders to tren acetate after using it alot. These people might switch to 1-test and suddenly find some growth again.
Bottom line though is that tren acetate is probably considerably stronger then 1-test
I did a fina only cycle for 4 weeks and gained 14lbs, and kept 12. I'm currently at 237.John benz you can only grow muscle so fast so if you can gain 8-10 lbs of muscle in 5 weeks(based on my experience) with a 4-AD and 1-test cycle im not sure if fina by itself will provide much better mucle gains. Ive always believed its not possible to gain more then 2lbs of muscle a TRUE muscle even on roids unless muscle memory + great genetics are a part of the formula. Can you clear up any misunderstandings for me. It would be great to know you can more muscle but i don't see how it can be that much more.