My Methyl Opinions
- 04-25-2004, 02:01 PM
- 04-25-2004, 02:04 PM
NS...I agree with you on just about every topic you bring up. Just wondering your thoughts on cycle length for some of these compounds? I am not a fan of these bull**** 2-weekers..
04-25-2004, 02:08 PM
Im not a fan of 2 week cycles either..... I jsut dont see any evidence that a 2week cycle is long enough to actually build solid muscle. Yes, you will see results but how much is water weight etc..... and not all water weight is lost once the cycle is stopped...
I would say 4-8 weeks, the same with any 17aa anabolic/androgenic steroid. Many people use 6-8 weeks of dbol, winny etc.... so i would reccomend the same.
Just make sure to monitor liver values etc....
I have never been one to err on the side of safety so many people will disagree with me, and Im glad you do because I prbably should take a closer look at safety but this is jsut how I am. I dont recomend 8 week cycles to everyone but a persons choice is a persons choice.
04-25-2004, 02:15 PM
The original recommended dosage came from both Bruce and Sledge, and was just really a discussion from looking at the Vida tables and comparing anabolic ratios with known products. As we know, that's a good place to start but isn't real life. That's why there is some confusion now. To be safe, start low ,test your personal tolerance, and ramp up if you feel the need.Originally Posted by MarcusG
Propho, I guess your stacking question is directed at me. First, it is the board's policy not to stack methyls, but I think they will allow some discussion. Sledge is doing a good job getting blood tests for different combinations. Most of these can be found at 1fast, and the results so far appear favorable. The only advice I can give is to use that big ugly thing attached to your neck......and no, I'm not talking about Markus Ruhl's traps......if the full dose of product X is 20mgs, and for product Y is 30mgs, don't do a combination totaling 50mgs
04-25-2004, 02:18 PM
The only Methyl compound I've seen that I would limit to two weeks at a time is M-1T. There are too many logs that state the gains slow down/sides increase starting in week 3 to ignore.Originally Posted by DieTrying
04-25-2004, 02:45 PM
Tru..but how many of these people actually keep a good percentage of their gains? I see so many people do 2-weekers and complain about losing everything post-cycle. Even if the first 2-weeks were actual muscle gains, I just feel that you have to give the body time to adapt to the new tissue growth.Originally Posted by Skark
04-25-2004, 04:52 PM
Are you absolutely sure about that? BK said he had a dozen testers incl 2 women (women doing ok at ~0.25mg) and Sledge said he had beta testers (at about the same time Prolangtum was doing his testing) taking blood tests during their cycle. And both were saying 1-3mg was good enough at bb.com.Originally Posted by Skark
04-25-2004, 05:43 PM
IMHO, I think even for newbies 3 to 4 mg is probably the best place to start. It really is virtually side effect free.Originally Posted by MarcusG
04-25-2004, 05:47 PM
If people get good results with Sledge's M-dien, I'm gonna run it at 8mg for 4 weeks. I did Gaspari's at 6mg for 2 weeks with no results. Doing 120mg of M1,4 a day for 4 weeks, so it will be awhile before I can get to that cycle. Hope to hear feedback soon so I know to stock up before the ban.
04-25-2004, 06:09 PM
So it would seem that M1T offers the best price/performance ratio??
M1T also seems to have the harshest side effects, but I believe if you keep the dosage low, you can go longer while lessening the sides.
04-25-2004, 06:09 PM
04-25-2004, 06:24 PM
I did this very thing. Week 1@ 5mg/d (2x 2.5mg) with very little, at best, to nothing to report. Weeks 2&3@ 7.5mg/d (3x2.5mg[w/one pwo]). I saw a slight difference. Could be attributed to the dosing schedule as well. But still nothing that I have felt is of an anobolic/androgenic "esque" feel at all. I have been at this dose for almost two weeks now and am considering finishing up the last week @10mg/d. I have been losing bf and gaining lbm and body composition is changing at a slow to modest pace, but this could as well be attributed to an excellent diet/nutrient timing protocol. I also have no sides of any sort, no bp, no head aches. I do sometimes get a bit short tempered and irritable, but I am also dieting, and unemployed.Originally Posted by nsruffryder34
Some things to note. I run M1T@~35mg/d for me to get the results I am looking for. Yes I have had blood work from two cycles like this and I am good as gold. I am also ~210lbs and 38yrs old.I have no reason to believe that I have issues with my batch. The material I have was tested by sledge and I have personal confirmation from sledge that this material is of the same quality that Pro and others used in beta testing.If you go to 10mg+ a day and see no or little results, there is something seriosuly wrong with the batch....
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04-25-2004, 07:24 PM
04-25-2004, 09:13 PM
1mg is the dose for those who have never used anything and weigh 130lbs. You guys also need to remember that not everyone who uses these compounds weigh 200.
Think about the 18 year old "hardgainer" who weighs 132lbs, starting out at 7mgs, that is waaaay to much IMO. I can only speak of what I do, but I try to keep in mind of everyone who can possibly be taking this stuff. That includes the guys who are too young and dont weigh enough. Most exp. guys know that they need to start at a slightly higher dose and work their way up as needed.
04-25-2004, 10:11 PM
Yep, sure about it. There is a thread over at avant where they were first discussing it months ago. The testing Bruce is talking about occurred much later, these were the initial discussions prior to finding a source.Originally Posted by MarcusG
04-25-2004, 11:34 PM
I for one happen to think that recommending an underdose compared to an overdose is alot better for the industry. Could you imagine the consequences if everyone and there grandpa started popping at 30 mg of mdien ed or 60 mg of M1T ed. And you think the ban is coming to fast now! UNTIL PROPER AND PRECISE DOSING CAN AND IS DETERMINED IT IS BEST FOR EVERYONE TO BE SAFE. Everyone on everyboard posting good cycle data is constantly helping determine what the best dosing is, because face it, recommended doses are only that. Real world doses are what people run off of. In time there will be enough data circulating this and other boards to help the users determine for themselves what they think to be a good and proper dose. Then the manufactures will adjust there labels accordingly.
Enough of that.
Im currently running mdien at 6mgs ed and having excellent results 2 weeks in. Ive dropped visible bf and have gained about 6 lbs and feel rock solid all the time. And my buddy Im training has gone from 208 to 217. Thats great for 5' 9" and shredded bf. BUT WE BOTH STARTED AT 2MG ED AND WORKED OUR WAY UP TO 6MG. I definitly think 6mg ed is a good level for those in the 200-250 range.
04-26-2004, 01:00 PM
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04-26-2004, 02:10 PM
04-26-2004, 03:06 PM
04-26-2004, 05:48 PM
The fact is... most so called "newbies" wont be using methyldienolone.... since most who use sledges products only know about them from the board.... even Bk's methyldienolone isnt talked about much..... I dont think we should have low or high dosing.... we shuld jsut give people facts.... I dont think its our job to protect people from themselves, when we do that, we are jsut like the senatros and media creating the ban now. If we say on the label start with 4-5mg and increase to 7-10mg and not to exceed X mg, people wont have to guess as to what the correct dosage is.
04-26-2004, 10:02 PM
Yeah! I cant say that Im your human pin cushion but Ive done a pretty decent amount. Any reason why you ask?Originally Posted by MarcusG
04-26-2004, 11:27 PM
I was wondering if people who have done AAS or (have been training for a while ) and are probably 50lbs over their natural weight already might need higher dosages.Originally Posted by db682
04-26-2004, 11:32 PM
04-27-2004, 12:38 AM
2 things before I go to bed:
1. I think M1,4 could be a great compound, but as Skark (cheers) pointed out, the cost is siginificantly more than the other new PH's, so it loses some luster in my eyes.
2. After playing around with M1T in a few cycle lengths and dosages, I'd say 20-30mg is ok for vets, but 10mg is ideal for everyone else. I prefer 4-6 week cycles of it for mass gains. 2 week cycles were OK for me, but 4 weeks yielded much better results as far as water vs. LBM gains.
04-27-2004, 12:40 AM
The only problem I really have with the M1T is the shut down from it. Shut down is worse on it than 500mg of test a week for me.
04-27-2004, 09:44 AM
Sledge hooked me up with a gram of Mdien and I brewed my own liquid batch. Let me just say that 1 gram makes a hell of alot. Thank good I have 15 grams of nolva on hand to. Im set for about the next 2-3 years. I also have 4 grams of M1T (2 from sledge and 2 from another source). I ve plenty of ****. Lets not get into cialis either. Got a lifetime supply of that. Thats besides all the nonmethyl raws I have as well.Originally Posted by Jerfo
Sledge is the man though. He's hooked me up and replaced some **** I had that we thought was underdosed on the house. And the best part is that his **** really works!
04-27-2004, 10:56 AM
i've got a lot of powders from sledge. imo, paying for somebody to make a liquid solution is ridiculous, but hey - if people want to pay, let em.
it is easy enough to turn 1-test cyp into an injectable (as an end user) and completely legal. it is even easier to turn power methyls into orals.
the m-dien powder i got is very yellow, whereas other methyls were white. i am assuming this is normal?
04-27-2004, 12:14 PM
04-27-2004, 12:38 PM
Thats funny cause my Mdien was very white. I know fina and tren have yellow tints to them but that is irrelavent since Ive also seen completely white tren powder before. How did you get your mdien raws from? I would double check with DS, custom and maybe NSruff. Even the Mdien liquids that I recieved prior to getting the raws were completely clear. If the powder was tinted then the liquid should have a lighter tint to it as well.
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