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    anybody here use Primrose Oil to help the liver??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsruffryder34
    If you start at 5mg for a week or so and are seeing little or no results I would say bump it to 7mg and if after another week its the same, you "may" want to bump it to 9-10mg a day, I dont think many will need to go to 10mg a day but some will, and some will need to go over, everyone is different.
    I did this very thing. Week 1@ 5mg/d (2x 2.5mg) with very little, at best, to nothing to report. Weeks 2&3@ 7.5mg/d (3x2.5mg[w/one pwo]). I saw a slight difference. Could be attributed to the dosing schedule as well. But still nothing that I have felt is of an anobolic/androgenic "esque" feel at all. I have been at this dose for almost two weeks now and am considering finishing up the last week @10mg/d. I have been losing bf and gaining lbm and body composition is changing at a slow to modest pace, but this could as well be attributed to an excellent diet/nutrient timing protocol. I also have no sides of any sort, no bp, no head aches. I do sometimes get a bit short tempered and irritable, but I am also dieting, and unemployed.

    Some things to note. I run M1T@~35mg/d for me to get the results I am looking for. Yes I have had blood work from two cycles like this and I am good as gold. I am also ~210lbs and 38yrs old.
    If you go to 10mg+ a day and see no or little results, there is something seriosuly wrong with the batch....
    I have no reason to believe that I have issues with my batch. The material I have was tested by sledge and I have personal confirmation from sledge that this material is of the same quality that Pro and others used in beta testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    IMHO, I think even for newbies 3 to 4 mg is probably the best place to start. It really is virtually side effect free.
    Well some have reported hair loss.
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    1mg is the dose for those who have never used anything and weigh 130lbs. You guys also need to remember that not everyone who uses these compounds weigh 200.

    Think about the 18 year old "hardgainer" who weighs 132lbs, starting out at 7mgs, that is waaaay to much IMO. I can only speak of what I do, but I try to keep in mind of everyone who can possibly be taking this stuff. That includes the guys who are too young and dont weigh enough. Most exp. guys know that they need to start at a slightly higher dose and work their way up as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    Are you absolutely sure about that? BK said he had a dozen testers incl 2 women (women doing ok at ~0.25mg) and Sledge said he had beta testers (at about the same time Prolangtum was doing his testing) taking blood tests during their cycle. And both were saying 1-3mg was good enough at bb.com.
    Yep, sure about it. There is a thread over at avant where they were first discussing it months ago. The testing Bruce is talking about occurred much later, these were the initial discussions prior to finding a source.
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    I for one happen to think that recommending an underdose compared to an overdose is alot better for the industry. Could you imagine the consequences if everyone and there grandpa started popping at 30 mg of mdien ed or 60 mg of M1T ed. And you think the ban is coming to fast now! UNTIL PROPER AND PRECISE DOSING CAN AND IS DETERMINED IT IS BEST FOR EVERYONE TO BE SAFE. Everyone on everyboard posting good cycle data is constantly helping determine what the best dosing is, because face it, recommended doses are only that. Real world doses are what people run off of. In time there will be enough data circulating this and other boards to help the users determine for themselves what they think to be a good and proper dose. Then the manufactures will adjust there labels accordingly.

    Enough of that.
    Im currently running mdien at 6mgs ed and having excellent results 2 weeks in. Ive dropped visible bf and have gained about 6 lbs and feel rock solid all the time. And my buddy Im training has gone from 208 to 217. Thats great for 5' 9" and shredded bf. BUT WE BOTH STARTED AT 2MG ED AND WORKED OUR WAY UP TO 6MG. I definitly think 6mg ed is a good level for those in the 200-250 range.

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    db682, you done AAS before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skark
    Since I buy all powders (being a cheap SOB) I'll use those costs.

    M-Dien ($30/g) 30 days @ 8mgs per day = $7.20
    Where can I get M-dien powder?

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    Man my strength went through the roof at 60mgs a day of m,14add cant imagine what 200mgs would do
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    Quote Originally Posted by NO MERCY
    Man my strength went through the roof at 60mgs a day of m,14add cant imagine what 200mgs would do
    Make you HEEEEUUUUUGE!!
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    The fact is... most so called "newbies" wont be using methyldienolone.... since most who use sledges products only know about them from the board.... even Bk's methyldienolone isnt talked about much..... I dont think we should have low or high dosing.... we shuld jsut give people facts.... I dont think its our job to protect people from themselves, when we do that, we are jsut like the senatros and media creating the ban now. If we say on the label start with 4-5mg and increase to 7-10mg and not to exceed X mg, people wont have to guess as to what the correct dosage is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    db682, you done AAS before?
    Yeah! I cant say that Im your human pin cushion but Ive done a pretty decent amount. Any reason why you ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by db682
    Yeah! I cant say that Im your human pin cushion but Ive done a pretty decent amount. Any reason why you ask?

    db
    I was wondering if people who have done AAS or (have been training for a while ) and are probably 50lbs over their natural weight already might need higher dosages.
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    db, which brand are you using again bro? Sledge's correct???
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    2 things before I go to bed:

    1. I think M1,4 could be a great compound, but as Skark (cheers) pointed out, the cost is siginificantly more than the other new PH's, so it loses some luster in my eyes.

    2. After playing around with M1T in a few cycle lengths and dosages, I'd say 20-30mg is ok for vets, but 10mg is ideal for everyone else. I prefer 4-6 week cycles of it for mass gains. 2 week cycles were OK for me, but 4 weeks yielded much better results as far as water vs. LBM gains.
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    The only problem I really have with the M1T is the shut down from it. Shut down is worse on it than 500mg of test a week for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerfo
    db, which brand are you using again bro? Sledge's correct???
    Sledge hooked me up with a gram of Mdien and I brewed my own liquid batch. Let me just say that 1 gram makes a hell of alot. Thank good I have 15 grams of nolva on hand to. Im set for about the next 2-3 years. I also have 4 grams of M1T (2 from sledge and 2 from another source). I ve plenty of ****. Lets not get into cialis either. Got a lifetime supply of that. Thats besides all the nonmethyl raws I have as well.

    Sledge is the man though. He's hooked me up and replaced some **** I had that we thought was underdosed on the house. And the best part is that his **** really works!
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    ditto.

    i've got a lot of powders from sledge. imo, paying for somebody to make a liquid solution is ridiculous, but hey - if people want to pay, let em.

    it is easy enough to turn 1-test cyp into an injectable (as an end user) and completely legal. it is even easier to turn power methyls into orals.

    the m-dien powder i got is very yellow, whereas other methyls were white. i am assuming this is normal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjd
    the m-dien powder i got is very yellow, whereas other methyls were white. i am assuming this is normal?
    Yup. Very reminiscent of Fina/Tren.
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    Thats funny cause my Mdien was very white. I know fina and tren have yellow tints to them but that is irrelavent since Ive also seen completely white tren powder before. How did you get your mdien raws from? I would double check with DS, custom and maybe NSruff. Even the Mdien liquids that I recieved prior to getting the raws were completely clear. If the powder was tinted then the liquid should have a lighter tint to it as well.

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    Every sample of methyldienolone I have ever recieved was white, mine didint even have a yellow tint to it, and I know another perosn who received the smae (methyldienolone) form a different source and it was also pure white. WHere did you get the powder from? There may have been a mix up or a bad bach, im not sure there.
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    There was no mix up, my first 2 samples had a slight yellow tint, I have posted the lab reports (97% pure or better) with those samples and it says white / yellowish crsytaline powder.

    I think it depends on who is making it, the kg that was used for the tabs as well as the 200gms of raw powder I have left are white, that powder also tested 97% and it was from a different supplier.

    I dont think there is a person on the planet who has seen more samples of this compound then myself, and I get every single one of them tested at least once but lately it has been twice by two different methods just to be safe.
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    if sledge says the good m-di can be yellow, then that is good enough for me. it's yellow.

    the solution (a peg-one) is very yellow.
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    If its sledge's **** I dont doubt its purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by db682
    Thats funny cause my Mdien was very white. I know fina and tren have yellow tints to them but that is irrelavent since Ive also seen completely white tren powder before. How did you get your mdien raws from? I would double check with DS, custom and maybe NSruff. Even the Mdien liquids that I recieved prior to getting the raws were completely clear. If the powder was tinted then the liquid should have a lighter tint to it as well.

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    Actually, the liquids were only 1 mg/ml so there is not enough hormone to tint it. When I got my gram,well, two grams really, I mixed one in 100ml PEG400 to make a concentrate liquid 100mg/ml. It was a beutiful yellowy color. Just like fina pellets. I draw out 1 ml of that and add it to 50mlPEG400 to make a 2mg/ml solution. Easy as pie

    And trust me, my stuff is legit. It came from Sldge's original 100GM sample. 98% pure.
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    i made my solution at 3mg/ml.

    it's the color of... uh... well, you ever pee after a lot of B vitamins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    When I got my gram,well, two grams really, I mixed one in 100ml PEG400 to make a concentrate liquid 100mg/ml. It was a beutiful yellowy color. Just like fina pellets. I draw out 1 ml of that and add it to 50mlPEG400 to make a 2mg/ml solution. Easy as pie

    And trust me, my stuff is legit. It came from Sldge's original 100GM sample. 98% pure.
    I dont get your math for the dosing bro. If Im reading this right you took 1 gm, which equals 1000 mg, and added that to 100 ml of PEG. You should have a solution of 10 mg/ml. Then your pulling 1ml out and adding that to 50 ml of PEG again. That would be the mathimatical equivilent of 1ml which contains 10 mg of MD divided by 50 ml of PEG. Your dosing should only be .2 mg/ml at that rate.

    I think you meant 10 ml of PEG for your concentrate mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by db682
    I dont get your math for the dosing bro. If Im reading this right you took 1 gm, which equals 1000 mg, and added that to 100 ml of PEG. You should have a solution of 10 mg/ml. Then your pulling 1ml out and adding that to 50 ml of PEG again. That would be the mathimatical equivilent of 1ml which contains 10 mg of MD divided by 50 ml of PEG. Your dosing should only be .2 mg/ml at that rate.

    I think you meant 10 ml of PEG for your concentrate mix.

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    OMG! You're right! That means I was taking less than a gram a day?? I don't get it. I gained like six pounds and believe me the pumps and agression was unreal. I don't know how to explain it. Could we get a third party to verify the math here? If I have a concentrate solution of 10mg/ml, Then I should have added 10ml to 50ml PEG400 to make 2 mg/ml?? I'm ****ing baffled here. If my math was that far off, How can I explain the results??

    Jeez, someone straighten me out here.
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    God, I still can't ****ing believe this. I feel like a total ass.

    If this is true, then that means I was only taking a gram a day. I can only imagine what would happen if I was actually taking 4 to 5 mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    God, I still can't ****ing believe this. I feel like a total ass.

    If this is true, then that means I was only taking a gram a day. I can only imagine what would happen if I was actually taking 4 to 5 mg
    A gram a day - what do you mean? You took less than 1mg a day right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    OMG! You're right! That means I was taking less than a gram a day?? I don't get it. I gained like six pounds and believe me the pumps and agression was unreal. I don't know how to explain it. Could we get a third party to verify the math here? If I have a concentrate solution of 10mg/ml, Then I should have added 10ml to 50ml PEG400 to make 2 mg/ml?? I'm ****ing baffled here. If my math was that far off, How can I explain the results??

    Jeez, someone straighten me out here.
    Yes db is right. 1gm in 100ml = 10mg/ml.
    You gained because of the great placeo effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    God, I still can't ****ing believe this. I feel like a total ass.

    If this is true, then that means I was only taking a gram a day. I can only imagine what would happen if I was actually taking 4 to 5 mg
    Your doing a hell of a job confusing me. Now your taking a gram a day??? I really hope your not in the medical field bro. Stop being cheap, buy a freaking scale. it would make this so much easier.

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    YUp the placebo effect. It'll do wonders when your mind is set to something
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    Quote Originally Posted by db682
    Your doing a hell of a job confusing me. Now your taking a gram a day??? I really hope your not in the medical field bro. Stop being cheap, buy a freaking scale. it would make this so much easier.

    db
    It's not a scale I need to buy. It's a goddam calculotor and half a brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    It's not a scale I need to buy. It's a goddam calculotor and half a brain.

    LOL. Your punishment is sending me your other gram
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    I just hope I havn't lost all respect and credibility around here.
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    Dude, what were you dosages then??
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    Dude, what were you dosages then??
    Basicly 1mg/day.

    The best explanation I can come up with is that the M-Dien helped solidify the gains i made from the M14ADD. It also enabled me to keep my strength gains witch probably helped me pick up those last couple pounds. All I know is the gains were real. I'm still up 7 lbs after losing some water last week.
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    LO your math is off but i doubt you had a placebo effect like that.
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    Sledge, how many testers did you have for the m4ohn and how potent is m4ohn in comparison to the m-dien?? It seems to me that everyone is testing it in higher dosages.
  

  
 

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