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The following are a few methyl products that I wished to address, this is soley "MY OPINION" and should not be taken as scientific fact, I am nto always right and I encourage constructive criticism. I am not talking about one companies prsucts in particular, but soley the chemical compound.
Article 1- Methyldienolone
The problem that I see with everyone who has tried Methyldienolone and gotten little or no results is that their dose is too low. Now I know some people are going to come on here and murder me for saying this but just remember this is my sole opinion and I am not always right, this is just how I see it on this particular issue.
If we take a look at what substances people are trying to comare M-D to, we can see that these substances are substantially anabolic and very midly androgenic. So what we can infer from those comparisons is that the gains will be "Moderate" and I repeat Moderate as opposed to the quick and often Noticable gains associated with methyl-1test and substances of similar nature.
When one looks at the fact that methyldienonlone is very midly androgenic and significantly more anabolic than methyl-1test in the assays, we must fighure a way to balance that ratio.
With a compund such as methyl-1test, we have a highly anabolic but also highly androgenic compound. Now when most people think of an androgenic compound, they think of it as being automatically bad (hairloss, oily skin, etc.). Now this is true in some circumstances as far as side effects go, but remember along with those sides we also have positve effects from the androgenic compounds. DHT which is the main focus of androgenic compunds, has been found, (correct me if I am wrong) to be 3 times as anabolic as testosterone. Along with the anabolic values, androgenic compounds also increase aggressivness, and are very dry compounds, some working as mild anti-estrogens. When most people take a compound that is moderatly to highly androgenic, they usually state that they can "Feel" it working very quickly, usually within a few days. This is due to the DHT related effects.
Now, with compounds that are more anabolic and less androgenic, users often state that the gains are less pronounced and usually they feel the compund isnt working until a week or two into the cycle. When talking about a supplement such as methyldienolone we have to realize that people are expecting the same or similar gains to methyl-1test which is hard to achieve with a low androgenic compound.
Well, how does this all relate to dosing? If we look at the fact that most users of methyl-1test use around 20mgs a day, with some users going up to 30mgs a day, we need to try and find a dose that will achieve those same results and still be within a "safe" range. Most people who are selling methyldienolone are reccomending 1mg-3mg daily. Now, I personally think that 1mg daily of this substance, from looking at the data and from user feedback, is going to do absolutely nothing. Even, in my opinion 3mgs is still too low for most users, maybe even too low for everyone. I would reccomend a dosing of starting out at 5mg and increasing to somewhere around 10mg. I feel 10mg of methyldienolone would be alot closer to the results people should expect from this compund and should be around what people would expect from 20mg of methyl-1test. In extreme cases some users who have more experience with androgens and may have a higher body weight, could go over 10mgs. My reccomendation is to start out at 5mgs and steadily increase until the user feels the dose is right. I think most will find that 7-10mg is going to be a suffiecient dose.
I honestly believe that the dosing that I am reccomending is going to achieve the greatest results, while still minimizing the side effects. I do think the issue of progestin realted side effects may increase with the increase in dosage, although I wouldn't be too concerned about it. In my opinion this compound does have some side effect issues, contrary to what some marketers would want you to believe, but I think the benefits outweigh the side effects with this substance. At the doses some manufacturers are suggesting (1-3mg) you probably wont see many side effects, but you probably wont see results either,so what good does that do? In my opinion some manufacturers (and im not reffering to anyone in particular) are marketing this product in the wrong way. Some are exploting the fact that methyldienolone shares a similar structure to the potent steroid trenbolone or methyltrenbolone which is correct in that the molecules look similar in a diagram but the fact that methyldienolone is missing the double bond which methyltren has, creates a very different substance. Remember jsut because a substance "looks similar" does not mean that it will act the same within the body. The only difference between Dianabol and Boldenone is a 17aa-methyl added to the d-bol structure, but these two chemicals act entirely different. I think when more data starts to come in, people will see that this is an inaccurate comparison of the two chemicals and the results will be entirely different.
I think we need to better understand the methylated prohormones and "prosteroids" that are already out and going to be released. Just taking a manufacturers word for it is not safe in my opinion. I think if we look at the data more closely we can see that many of the methyls (methyl-5aa, methyl-1,4aadiol, methyl-4ad) are being extremly low dosed. I dont know if this is for mere profit or if the research jsut wasnt done before the products were released.
I will follow up this article with one on each of the methyls currently available, and soon to be released.
Now that I just typed my ass off for an hour, feel free to tear my statements apart
Article 2 - Methyl-1,4diol
This is a follow up article to my previous one on methyldienolone. In this article I will address the methylated prohormone 17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiendiol or methyl-1,4ad.
A few companies have released or are going to release methyl 1,4adiol. Now I think this compound does have it's uses in certain areas of the cycle or in stacks with other PH or PS. The problem I have with most users and manugactuers of methyl-1,4ad is that the capsules or tablets are dosed too low, and the reccomended dose is again, too low for any measurable results in size or weight gain. Most manufacturers are reccomending doses of 20-40mg per day. This is extremely low because what we have to remember is that methyl-1,4adiol is a methylated "ProHormone", which means it still has to convert to the active steroid compound (methandrostenolone) which is D-Bol. I have seen only one study which places the rate of conversion of 1,4aDIONE at around 11%, which is considerably low. This study was done on the dione version but we can assume that the diol version will ahve a similar rate of conversion of around 10-15%. So if we take the maximum reccomended dose of methyl-1,4adiol, which is 40mg, and we take the high conversion number of 15%, we are left with 6mg of active steroid (dbol). Now I am sure most of you would agree that nobody is going to grow considerably on 6mg of dbol.
I would reccomend dosing to be on the low end of 150-200mg a day of methyl 1,4adiol and on the higher end of 350-400mg a day. Keep in mind some people use 50+ mgs a day of dbol , so these are not extraordinary numbers when you take the conversion factor into cosideration. I have seen numerous reports that people were taking 20-30-40 mgs of methyl-1,4adiol a day for 3-4 weeks and have seen no results. Now if you were taking Dbol for 3-4 weeks with no results, you would easily say that they were fake. This is why I feel the need to raise the dosage reccomendations, and yes it may cost more, but the benefits may be worth it.
I have another issue, we constantly tell people never to do a Dbol only cycle. Why? Because the gains are fast, and most is water weight. We all know that with dbol, the gains can disappear just as quick as they came. But many people are saying that they are doing methyl,14adiol only cycles, and no one stops them. Why? Because those same people are the ones making up the dosing regimes and are the ones making a profit off of low dosed products (again, i am referring to no one person or company in particular).
The bottom line, methyl-1,4adiol is a decent compound, but the doses need to take into consideration the conversion factor and we should neve reccomend m1,4ad only cycles. The same side effects present with Dbol are going to be present with methyl-1,4adiol.
Article 3- Methyl-4adiol
This article, like my previous one's, deals with the topic of methylated prohormones, specifically methyl-4androstenediol.
Methyl-4ad, has been out for awhile now, and many companies are starting to bring it to the forefront. Methyl-4ad like methyl-1test, is even being comercially distributed by a few larger companies. Many websites I have visited often give reccomended dosings for this compund, they sometimes range in the 40mg range. Like I often say, this dosing is jsut too low.
Methyl-4ad is a methylated prohormone, which means it needs to convert in the active steroid, methyltestosterone. Now, many people who have a slight knoledge on steroids know that methyltest is one of the worst steroids as far as gains and side effects go. Why someone would want to make a precursor to methyl-test is beyond me, but it is out there so I will give some info on it.
From the literature, and this is still only an estimate, 4ad has a conversion rate of around 15%. So when we look at 40mg of methyl-4ad we are actually only getting 6mg of methyl-test. ^mg of methyl-test is not going to do a damn thing except maybe give you some bloat. Methyl-4ad in my opinion is not worth the time, energy, or money. It is converting to a cheap, and poor oral steroid that is well known for its list of side effects. One major company has recently released a methyl-4ad product which contains 250mg of m-4ad per dose. While this is more on track with the right dose, it is still too low for most people. I would say 500mg+ is needed to see any significant gains. I reccomend that most people stay away from methyl-4ad, and if you do decide to use it, make sure you have a good estrogen formula at hand and get your dosing right.
I will be working on a few more compounds, including m-5aa, m-4ohn, m-4oht, and a few novel methyls that will prbably hit the market soon.
-Carl
Article 1- Methyldienolone
The problem that I see with everyone who has tried Methyldienolone and gotten little or no results is that their dose is too low. Now I know some people are going to come on here and murder me for saying this but just remember this is my sole opinion and I am not always right, this is just how I see it on this particular issue.
If we take a look at what substances people are trying to comare M-D to, we can see that these substances are substantially anabolic and very midly androgenic. So what we can infer from those comparisons is that the gains will be "Moderate" and I repeat Moderate as opposed to the quick and often Noticable gains associated with methyl-1test and substances of similar nature.
When one looks at the fact that methyldienonlone is very midly androgenic and significantly more anabolic than methyl-1test in the assays, we must fighure a way to balance that ratio.
With a compund such as methyl-1test, we have a highly anabolic but also highly androgenic compound. Now when most people think of an androgenic compound, they think of it as being automatically bad (hairloss, oily skin, etc.). Now this is true in some circumstances as far as side effects go, but remember along with those sides we also have positve effects from the androgenic compounds. DHT which is the main focus of androgenic compunds, has been found, (correct me if I am wrong) to be 3 times as anabolic as testosterone. Along with the anabolic values, androgenic compounds also increase aggressivness, and are very dry compounds, some working as mild anti-estrogens. When most people take a compound that is moderatly to highly androgenic, they usually state that they can "Feel" it working very quickly, usually within a few days. This is due to the DHT related effects.
Now, with compounds that are more anabolic and less androgenic, users often state that the gains are less pronounced and usually they feel the compund isnt working until a week or two into the cycle. When talking about a supplement such as methyldienolone we have to realize that people are expecting the same or similar gains to methyl-1test which is hard to achieve with a low androgenic compound.
Well, how does this all relate to dosing? If we look at the fact that most users of methyl-1test use around 20mgs a day, with some users going up to 30mgs a day, we need to try and find a dose that will achieve those same results and still be within a "safe" range. Most people who are selling methyldienolone are reccomending 1mg-3mg daily. Now, I personally think that 1mg daily of this substance, from looking at the data and from user feedback, is going to do absolutely nothing. Even, in my opinion 3mgs is still too low for most users, maybe even too low for everyone. I would reccomend a dosing of starting out at 5mg and increasing to somewhere around 10mg. I feel 10mg of methyldienolone would be alot closer to the results people should expect from this compund and should be around what people would expect from 20mg of methyl-1test. In extreme cases some users who have more experience with androgens and may have a higher body weight, could go over 10mgs. My reccomendation is to start out at 5mgs and steadily increase until the user feels the dose is right. I think most will find that 7-10mg is going to be a suffiecient dose.
I honestly believe that the dosing that I am reccomending is going to achieve the greatest results, while still minimizing the side effects. I do think the issue of progestin realted side effects may increase with the increase in dosage, although I wouldn't be too concerned about it. In my opinion this compound does have some side effect issues, contrary to what some marketers would want you to believe, but I think the benefits outweigh the side effects with this substance. At the doses some manufacturers are suggesting (1-3mg) you probably wont see many side effects, but you probably wont see results either,so what good does that do? In my opinion some manufacturers (and im not reffering to anyone in particular) are marketing this product in the wrong way. Some are exploting the fact that methyldienolone shares a similar structure to the potent steroid trenbolone or methyltrenbolone which is correct in that the molecules look similar in a diagram but the fact that methyldienolone is missing the double bond which methyltren has, creates a very different substance. Remember jsut because a substance "looks similar" does not mean that it will act the same within the body. The only difference between Dianabol and Boldenone is a 17aa-methyl added to the d-bol structure, but these two chemicals act entirely different. I think when more data starts to come in, people will see that this is an inaccurate comparison of the two chemicals and the results will be entirely different.
I think we need to better understand the methylated prohormones and "prosteroids" that are already out and going to be released. Just taking a manufacturers word for it is not safe in my opinion. I think if we look at the data more closely we can see that many of the methyls (methyl-5aa, methyl-1,4aadiol, methyl-4ad) are being extremly low dosed. I dont know if this is for mere profit or if the research jsut wasnt done before the products were released.
I will follow up this article with one on each of the methyls currently available, and soon to be released.
Now that I just typed my ass off for an hour, feel free to tear my statements apart
Article 2 - Methyl-1,4diol
This is a follow up article to my previous one on methyldienolone. In this article I will address the methylated prohormone 17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiendiol or methyl-1,4ad.
A few companies have released or are going to release methyl 1,4adiol. Now I think this compound does have it's uses in certain areas of the cycle or in stacks with other PH or PS. The problem I have with most users and manugactuers of methyl-1,4ad is that the capsules or tablets are dosed too low, and the reccomended dose is again, too low for any measurable results in size or weight gain. Most manufacturers are reccomending doses of 20-40mg per day. This is extremely low because what we have to remember is that methyl-1,4adiol is a methylated "ProHormone", which means it still has to convert to the active steroid compound (methandrostenolone) which is D-Bol. I have seen only one study which places the rate of conversion of 1,4aDIONE at around 11%, which is considerably low. This study was done on the dione version but we can assume that the diol version will ahve a similar rate of conversion of around 10-15%. So if we take the maximum reccomended dose of methyl-1,4adiol, which is 40mg, and we take the high conversion number of 15%, we are left with 6mg of active steroid (dbol). Now I am sure most of you would agree that nobody is going to grow considerably on 6mg of dbol.
I would reccomend dosing to be on the low end of 150-200mg a day of methyl 1,4adiol and on the higher end of 350-400mg a day. Keep in mind some people use 50+ mgs a day of dbol , so these are not extraordinary numbers when you take the conversion factor into cosideration. I have seen numerous reports that people were taking 20-30-40 mgs of methyl-1,4adiol a day for 3-4 weeks and have seen no results. Now if you were taking Dbol for 3-4 weeks with no results, you would easily say that they were fake. This is why I feel the need to raise the dosage reccomendations, and yes it may cost more, but the benefits may be worth it.
I have another issue, we constantly tell people never to do a Dbol only cycle. Why? Because the gains are fast, and most is water weight. We all know that with dbol, the gains can disappear just as quick as they came. But many people are saying that they are doing methyl,14adiol only cycles, and no one stops them. Why? Because those same people are the ones making up the dosing regimes and are the ones making a profit off of low dosed products (again, i am referring to no one person or company in particular).
The bottom line, methyl-1,4adiol is a decent compound, but the doses need to take into consideration the conversion factor and we should neve reccomend m1,4ad only cycles. The same side effects present with Dbol are going to be present with methyl-1,4adiol.
Article 3- Methyl-4adiol
This article, like my previous one's, deals with the topic of methylated prohormones, specifically methyl-4androstenediol.
Methyl-4ad, has been out for awhile now, and many companies are starting to bring it to the forefront. Methyl-4ad like methyl-1test, is even being comercially distributed by a few larger companies. Many websites I have visited often give reccomended dosings for this compund, they sometimes range in the 40mg range. Like I often say, this dosing is jsut too low.
Methyl-4ad is a methylated prohormone, which means it needs to convert in the active steroid, methyltestosterone. Now, many people who have a slight knoledge on steroids know that methyltest is one of the worst steroids as far as gains and side effects go. Why someone would want to make a precursor to methyl-test is beyond me, but it is out there so I will give some info on it.
From the literature, and this is still only an estimate, 4ad has a conversion rate of around 15%. So when we look at 40mg of methyl-4ad we are actually only getting 6mg of methyl-test. ^mg of methyl-test is not going to do a damn thing except maybe give you some bloat. Methyl-4ad in my opinion is not worth the time, energy, or money. It is converting to a cheap, and poor oral steroid that is well known for its list of side effects. One major company has recently released a methyl-4ad product which contains 250mg of m-4ad per dose. While this is more on track with the right dose, it is still too low for most people. I would say 500mg+ is needed to see any significant gains. I reccomend that most people stay away from methyl-4ad, and if you do decide to use it, make sure you have a good estrogen formula at hand and get your dosing right.
I will be working on a few more compounds, including m-5aa, m-4ohn, m-4oht, and a few novel methyls that will prbably hit the market soon.
-Carl
