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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    Lean, do you think your prior exp with test/tren ( I think you mentioned that before ) probably makes sense for you to start at a higher dosage compared to us to haven't done real injectables yet.
    Slight correction. My Prior AAS experience was Fina/4AD transdermal;But yes, I used to apply it quite liberally. So that was part of my reasoning for a higher dose.


  2. bumping this to keep up with it.
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  3. Lol, no need for a bump when there's two minutes in between posts though...

  4. I'm wondering now if the recomendaton of 1mg of m-dien are for users who are just starting out in the gym.

  5. Those just starting out in the gym really have no business in using any kind of androgenic substances though...
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  6. 1mg of methyldienolone isnt going to do much for anyone, even though only veterans should be using these compunds, even a beginner proabbly wouldnt see anything on 1mg...its jsut too low.

  7. NS...I agree with you on just about every topic you bring up. Just wondering your thoughts on cycle length for some of these compounds? I am not a fan of these bull**** 2-weekers..

  8. Im not a fan of 2 week cycles either..... I jsut dont see any evidence that a 2week cycle is long enough to actually build solid muscle. Yes, you will see results but how much is water weight etc..... and not all water weight is lost once the cycle is stopped...
    I would say 4-8 weeks, the same with any 17aa anabolic/androgenic steroid. Many people use 6-8 weeks of dbol, winny etc.... so i would reccomend the same.
    Just make sure to monitor liver values etc....

    I have never been one to err on the side of safety so many people will disagree with me, and Im glad you do because I prbably should take a closer look at safety but this is jsut how I am. I dont recomend 8 week cycles to everyone but a persons choice is a persons choice.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    I'm wondering now if the recomendaton of 1mg of m-dien are for users who are just starting out in the gym.
    The original recommended dosage came from both Bruce and Sledge, and was just really a discussion from looking at the Vida tables and comparing anabolic ratios with known products. As we know, that's a good place to start but isn't real life. That's why there is some confusion now. To be safe, start low ,test your personal tolerance, and ramp up if you feel the need.

    Propho, I guess your stacking question is directed at me. First, it is the board's policy not to stack methyls, but I think they will allow some discussion. Sledge is doing a good job getting blood tests for different combinations. Most of these can be found at 1fast, and the results so far appear favorable. The only advice I can give is to use that big ugly thing attached to your neck......and no, I'm not talking about Markus Ruhl's traps......if the full dose of product X is 20mgs, and for product Y is 30mgs, don't do a combination totaling 50mgs

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DieTrying
    NS...I am not a fan of these bull**** 2-weekers..
    The only Methyl compound I've seen that I would limit to two weeks at a time is M-1T. There are too many logs that state the gains slow down/sides increase starting in week 3 to ignore.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Skark
    The only Methyl compound I've seen that I would limit to two weeks at a time is M-1T. There are too many logs that state the gains slow down/sides increase starting in week 3 to ignore.
    Tru..but how many of these people actually keep a good percentage of their gains? I see so many people do 2-weekers and complain about losing everything post-cycle. Even if the first 2-weeks were actual muscle gains, I just feel that you have to give the body time to adapt to the new tissue growth.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Skark
    The original recommended dosage came from both Bruce and Sledge, and was just really a discussion from looking at the Vida tables and comparing anabolic ratios with known products. As we know, that's a good place to start but isn't real life. That's why there is some confusion now. To be safe, start low ,test your personal tolerance, and ramp up if you feel the need.

    ......
    Are you absolutely sure about that? BK said he had a dozen testers incl 2 women (women doing ok at ~0.25mg) and Sledge said he had beta testers (at about the same time Prolangtum was doing his testing) taking blood tests during their cycle. And both were saying 1-3mg was good enough at bb.com.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    I'm wondering now if the recomendaton of 1mg of m-dien are for users who are just starting out in the gym.
    IMHO, I think even for newbies 3 to 4 mg is probably the best place to start. It really is virtually side effect free.

  14. If people get good results with Sledge's M-dien, I'm gonna run it at 8mg for 4 weeks. I did Gaspari's at 6mg for 2 weeks with no results. Doing 120mg of M1,4 a day for 4 weeks, so it will be awhile before I can get to that cycle. Hope to hear feedback soon so I know to stock up before the ban.

  15. So it would seem that M1T offers the best price/performance ratio??
    M1T also seems to have the harshest side effects, but I believe if you keep the dosage low, you can go longer while lessening the sides.

  16. anybody here use Primrose Oil to help the liver??
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsruffryder34
    If you start at 5mg for a week or so and are seeing little or no results I would say bump it to 7mg and if after another week its the same, you "may" want to bump it to 9-10mg a day, I dont think many will need to go to 10mg a day but some will, and some will need to go over, everyone is different.
    I did this very thing. Week [email protected] 5mg/d (2x 2.5mg) with very little, at best, to nothing to report. Weeks 2&[email protected] 7.5mg/d (3x2.5mg[w/one pwo]). I saw a slight difference. Could be attributed to the dosing schedule as well. But still nothing that I have felt is of an anobolic/androgenic "esque" feel at all. I have been at this dose for almost two weeks now and am considering finishing up the last week @10mg/d. I have been losing bf and gaining lbm and body composition is changing at a slow to modest pace, but this could as well be attributed to an excellent diet/nutrient timing protocol. I also have no sides of any sort, no bp, no head aches. I do sometimes get a bit short tempered and irritable, but I am also dieting, and unemployed.

    Some things to note. I run [email protected]~35mg/d for me to get the results I am looking for. Yes I have had blood work from two cycles like this and I am good as gold. I am also ~210lbs and 38yrs old.
    If you go to 10mg+ a day and see no or little results, there is something seriosuly wrong with the batch....
    I have no reason to believe that I have issues with my batch. The material I have was tested by sledge and I have personal confirmation from sledge that this material is of the same quality that Pro and others used in beta testing.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    IMHO, I think even for newbies 3 to 4 mg is probably the best place to start. It really is virtually side effect free.
    Well some have reported hair loss.

  19. 1mg is the dose for those who have never used anything and weigh 130lbs. You guys also need to remember that not everyone who uses these compounds weigh 200.

    Think about the 18 year old "hardgainer" who weighs 132lbs, starting out at 7mgs, that is waaaay to much IMO. I can only speak of what I do, but I try to keep in mind of everyone who can possibly be taking this stuff. That includes the guys who are too young and dont weigh enough. Most exp. guys know that they need to start at a slightly higher dose and work their way up as needed.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    Are you absolutely sure about that? BK said he had a dozen testers incl 2 women (women doing ok at ~0.25mg) and Sledge said he had beta testers (at about the same time Prolangtum was doing his testing) taking blood tests during their cycle. And both were saying 1-3mg was good enough at bb.com.
    Yep, sure about it. There is a thread over at avant where they were first discussing it months ago. The testing Bruce is talking about occurred much later, these were the initial discussions prior to finding a source.

  21. I for one happen to think that recommending an underdose compared to an overdose is alot better for the industry. Could you imagine the consequences if everyone and there grandpa started popping at 30 mg of mdien ed or 60 mg of M1T ed. And you think the ban is coming to fast now! UNTIL PROPER AND PRECISE DOSING CAN AND IS DETERMINED IT IS BEST FOR EVERYONE TO BE SAFE. Everyone on everyboard posting good cycle data is constantly helping determine what the best dosing is, because face it, recommended doses are only that. Real world doses are what people run off of. In time there will be enough data circulating this and other boards to help the users determine for themselves what they think to be a good and proper dose. Then the manufactures will adjust there labels accordingly.

    Enough of that.
    Im currently running mdien at 6mgs ed and having excellent results 2 weeks in. Ive dropped visible bf and have gained about 6 lbs and feel rock solid all the time. And my buddy Im training has gone from 208 to 217. Thats great for 5' 9" and shredded bf. BUT WE BOTH STARTED AT 2MG ED AND WORKED OUR WAY UP TO 6MG. I definitly think 6mg ed is a good level for those in the 200-250 range.

    db

  22. db682, you done AAS before?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Skark
    Since I buy all powders (being a cheap SOB) I'll use those costs.

    M-Dien ($30/g) 30 days @ 8mgs per day = $7.20
    Where can I get M-dien powder?

    Greenguy

  24. Man my strength went through the roof at 60mgs a day of m,14add cant imagine what 200mgs would do

  25. Quote Originally Posted by NO MERCY
    Man my strength went through the roof at 60mgs a day of m,14add cant imagine what 200mgs would do
    Make you HEEEEUUUUUGE!!
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