RVEXLER
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Kilo sports is/was offering both of these products in powder form. Is that so they can be made injectable? If so, would you use a typical oil-based kit and what concentration (200 mg/ml)?
Shooooot...I'm now getting volunteered for my services...this is a firstOriginally posted by DarCSA
Chemo or LG can help you out with this one.
As soon as the powders get in I'll have a few hundred grams for the typical experimentation. Most likely I would mix a 250 mg/mL for starters and move my way up to 400-600. Also, the recipe should be around 1% BA, 5% BB, and the rest cottonseed oil.Originally posted by RVEXLER
Kilo sports is/was offering both of these products in powder form. Is that so they can be made injectable? If so, would you use a typical oil-based kit and what concentration (200 mg/ml)?
Does your generous offer apply to everybody? And, are you talking about the cypionated versions of 4-ad and 19-nor?If you run low and need more, let me know
Cryptic message... wonder what that meansI have some things I'm going to try first before letting any get out of my hands.
Do you know how many mg/ml he used?I never used the Kilosports 4ad cyp, I think their prices for it are alittle high, but a gym buddy of mine used it and he never had any bad reactions to it. He made good gains off of it also.
Update? Recipe?Originally posted by RVEXLER
Made my own injectable 4-ad cypionate. The concentration was 250mg/ml. Have been doing 500 mg twice weekly injections since last monday. Injections are painless. It will probably be about another week before I notice any big differences.
Possibly. But at 250mg/ml it is already a fairly thick solution; so you might be able to get a higher concentration but it would be pretty difficult to inject. And from what I understand, the BA is what causes the pain on initial injection, not the BB.If you upped the BB to 10% do you think you could get closer to 500mg/ml?
Does too much BB cause pain or is it only too much BA?
Also, like to know BDC thoughts on this as well.
Thanks
Your recipe went thru a 25gauge needle with no problems, correct?
Possibly. But at 250mg/ml it is already a fairly thick solution; so you might be able to get a higher concentration but it would be pretty difficult to inject. And from what I understand, the BA is what causes the pain on initial injection, not the BB.
I would draw it up with an 18 gauge needle into the syringe and then switch to a 25 gauge needle for injecting. It would take about 30-45 seconds, and a lot of pressure on the plunger, to get it to go in.
Your recipe went thru a 25gauge needle with no problems, correct?
Good questions. Here are my thoughts:pardon my possible ignorance, but besides legal reasons, which in reality injecting 4ad is illegal anway so there really are no legal differences, why would anybody want to inject a prohormone, i understand the benfit of PH's to bodybuilders not wanting to make the leap, but injecting already implies that leap in my opinion, if you are going to inject why not just buy real gear???
actually once the prohormone is turned into an injectable form it is illegal, you can have all the powders and supplies to make the injectables in your possession as long as it has not been converted, once converted it is just as illegal as real cypionate. which is why i dont understand why ppl wouldnt just inject real cyp. which is 2x weekly injections still and will obviously be more effective than the prohormone, i just see it as if you are taking the leap to inject using an illegal product why not just use the real more effective one, the only "selling point" which i can see is that you can attain all the supplies legaly and readilly.
Good questions. Here are my thoughts:
"injecting 4ad is illegal" - I don't think it is. Selling an injectable version of 4-AD would bring you under the jurisdiction of the FDA, but injecting a legal substance is not illegal.
"why would anybody want to inject a prohormone" - Twice weekly administration (with the cypionate version of 4-AD) versus twice daily, and greatly improved bio-availability.
You would have to inject twice as much as RVEXLER's recipe.Add 5 ccs of benzyl alcohol to 95 ccs of vegetable oil (corn, sesame, or peanut). Mix well
Heat oil to 130 - 140 degrees fahrenheit
Add 11.5 grams of 4-AD cypionate and mix until a clear solution is obtained
Pass hot oil solution through syringe filter ( 0.45 or 0.1 micron) and into clean vial or glass container.
Seal container
Should provide around 105-110 ccs of approximately 100mg per cc 4-AD cyp in oil
At this concentration what would the best injection scheme be assuming you want to hit 700 mg a week of 4-AD.Add 5 ccs of benzyl alcohol to 95 ccs of vegetable oil (corn, sesame, or peanut). Mix well
Heat oil to 130 - 140 degrees fahrenheit
Add 11.5 grams of 4-AD cypionate and mix until a clear solution is obtained
Pass hot oil solution through syringe filter ( 0.45 or 0.1 micron) and into clean vial or glass container.
Seal container
Should provide around 105-110 ccs of approximately 100mg per cc 4-AD cyp in oil
There isn't NEAR as much legal risk with injecting prohormones, whether it is legal or not, mainly because you can legally order the supplies and it doesn't matter if you get caught going across the border with them or if people find them in the mail. With AAS, they are illegal in any way shape or form. (unless you have a rx) If you think about it, having illegal things in your house isnt as big of a deal as transporting them from place to place, something you wouldnt have to do if you injected prohormones.
actually once the prohormone is turned into an injectable form it is illegal, you can have all the powders and supplies to make the injectables in your possession as long as it has not been converted, once converted it is just as illegal as real cypionate. which is why i dont understand why ppl wouldnt just inject real cyp. which is 2x weekly injections still and will obviously be more effective than the prohormone, i just see it as if you are taking the leap to inject using an illegal product why not just use the real more effective one, the only "selling point" which i can see is that you can attain all the supplies legaly and readilly.
I have never heard of anyone hitting and damaging a major nerve. The needles are just too thin. Since the injections are IM (into the muscle) as opposed to IV (into the vein) then embolism's (air-bubbles) are not a problem. If you aspirate, then you won't every inject into a vein or artery and even those who have have survived the experience. Honestly, the biggest risk is that of an infection due to less than sanitary procedures used by many.Let me tell y'all what scares me. And I have no qualms about admitting this, so feel free to call me a woman, ease my fears, or what have you.
The idea of injecting myself scares the **** out of me. It's not the pain that concerns me, it's the other things, like hitting and damaging a major nerve, injecting a bubble into myself unknowingly, injecting into an artery unknowingly, or something else that could cause a serious problem.
Let's hear it.
hey bro i hearya but its really not a big deal i had a lot more concerns than that b4 i started..
The idea of injecting myself scares the **** out of me. It's not the pain that concerns me, it's the other things, like hitting and damaging a major nerve, injecting a bubble into myself unknowingly, injecting into an artery unknowingly, or something else that could cause a serious problem.
Let's hear it.
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