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not talking about prohormone world but looking for info from darksiders. I kno that P.A. made THG and ive recently seen it available along with 7 alpha-Methyl-19-nortestosterone (Trestelone) which ive never seen, and Methylhydroxynandrolone which i understand is more potent then M1t and no water retention and you only need 2-5mg for great gains. I also saw methandriol which im pretty sure is like 5-ad but really estrogenic so idk why they would make that. But Anyways just looking for input for anyone whos ran or has info on Trestelone, THG and MHN.
 
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come on bro u kno i cant answer that
 
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Am looking forward to seeing these released myself, am also interested in hearing some reviews of them...
 
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I was meaning more in what context, like did you find them on the net or just have someone you know have them come available
 
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Am looking forward to seeing these released myself, am also interested in hearing some reviews of them...
these arent going to be supplements bro , i noted this is for those with AAS knowledge. And its not someone i kno its a UGL company
 
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these arent going to be supplements bro , i noted this is for those with AAS knowledge. And its not someone i kno its a pharm company
Yes I know, I am aware of who is producing them, same source should be producing 1-test cyp, boldeone on shorter esters and M1T and a host of others if we are thinking of the same lab if we are its also not a pharm company but an Underground lab.
 
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Testosterone and its esters are widely used for androgen replacement therapy. Testosterone undergoes 5 alpha-reduction to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the prostate and other tissues leading to potentially undesirable consequences in adult males.

Trestolone or 7 alpha-Methyl-19-nortestosterone (MENT) is a synthetic androgen that is ten times as potent as testosterone. MENT is not 5-alpha reduced to DHT. It inhibits gonadotrophin release, suppresses testosterone and sperm production. Yet, MENT provides adequate replacement therapy for most androgen-dependant functions. MENT has a faster metabolic clearance rate than testosterone and, in contrast to testosterone, MENT does not bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). MENT remains capable of aromatization (to 7-alpha-methyl-estradiol) preserving the benefits estrogen imparts on male physiology.

The Population Council has investigated MENT [specifically MENT Acetate (MENT Ac)] for long-term clinical use for contraceptive purposes and hormone replacement therapy. Initial trials suggest it may be an ideal candidate since it is a non-5-alpha reducible androgen and requires lower doses due to its significantly increased potency over testosterone.

Various forms of MENT in human pharmaceutical preparations and devices for contraception and hormone therapy, specifically MENT Ac implant and MENT transdermal gel and patch formulations, are currently under clinical investigation. MENT is absorbed transdermally up to three times the rate of testosterone - 17 methyl testosterone and 17-α methyl testosterone.

MENT, as a transdermal and/or intramuscular preparation, will have application in a wide range of indications beyond androgen replacement therapy and contraception, including, without limitation, primary hypogonadism, testicular failure, ASIH, baldness, sarcopenia, loss of bone mass, muscle wasting and cachexia, BPH, prostate cancer and of course, bodybuilding and sports performance enhancement.

Trestolone acetate is the chemical name of active ingredient in MENT. MENT is a registered trademark of Population Council, Inc. in the United States and/or other countries
 
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if ur talking about the folks with Andromix (50mg test Prop. 50mg Mast, 50mg Tren Ace) then yes we are on the same page
 
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Testosterone and its esters are widely used for androgen replacement therapy. In the prostate, testosterone ins 5 alpha-reduced to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which leads to an amplification of its stimulatory activity in this and other tissues that have significant 5 alpha-reductase activity. While this amplification is essential during fetal development, it has potentially undesirable consequences during adult life. 7 alpha-Methyl-19-nortestosterone (MENT) is a potent synthetic androgen that does not undergo 5 alpha reduction and is therefore being investigated for long-term clinical use because it is expected to be less stimulatory to the prostate. Since we anticipate using MENT acetate (MENT Ac) rather than MENT as the form of this androgen in humans, the bioavailability of MENT following the administration of MENT and MENT Ac was investigated in cynomolgus monkeys. Equimolar concentrations of MENT or MENT Ac were administered as a continuous subcutaneous infusion via Alzet osmotic pumps. Serum MENT levels were measured by radioimmunoassay (RIA) in blood samples collected daily for 4 days during steady state. The serum MENT levels were not significantly different in the two groups (11.3 +/- 1.6 vs. 13.1 +/- 1.2 nmol/L). This suggested that MENT Ac was rapidly converted to MENT in circulation. The hydrolysis of MENT Ac to MENT was confirmed by the in vitro incubation of MENT Ac with blood or plasma and the demonstration of MENT in products following separation by high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC). Following the demonstration of the safety of MENT Ac in subchronic toxicity studies in rats and rabbits, a pharmacokinetic study was performed in men. In normal men, a single intravenous bolus of 500 micrograms of MENT led to peak serum MENT levels at 3 minutes after dosing (when the first samples were collected), followed by an exponential decline, reaching undetectable levels by 180 minutes. The average terminal half-life and the metabolic clearance rate (MCR) were calculated to be 40 minutes and 2,360 L/day, respectively. The results of the pharmacokinetic studies show that in both men and monkeys, the MCR of MENT is much faster than the values reported for testosterone. The faster MCR can be attributed, in part, to the finding that, in contrast to testosterone, MENT showed no binding to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).
 
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Bill wrote an article in Muscular Devolopment about MT-DMN and DMN

Anabolic Update
by William Llewelyn

New Designer Steroid

Muscular Development June 2007

This month I thought it would be interesting to introduce readers to a new, underground steroid circulating on the black market. It’s called dimethylnandrolone (DMN) and as its name suggest, it’s a cousin to the popular drug Deca Durabolin (nandrolone decanoate), so highly favoured by athletes for its strong anabolic and mildly androgenic properties. Dimethylnandrolone or DMN for short, is an interesting analogue of nandrolone, displaying high relative potency and favourable estrogenic and androgenic characteristics. Although its emergence on the underground is fairly recent, it’s quickly gaining attention and favourable reviews. With this in mind, I figured a thorough examination was warranted. So, without further fanfare let’s find out what this new “designer” steroid is all about.

Dimethylnandrolone is a generic term that could refer to any number of different nandrolone-derived steroids. It really only tells us that this is a nandrolone with two additional methyl groups. In this case, the exact DMN we’re looking at is 7-alpha, 11-beta dimethylnandrolone. Steroidphiles will recognize that this steroid is very close in structure to MENT (7- alpha- methylnortestosterone), an anabolic steroid currently under commercial development by Schering- Plough. MENT (which had been given the conventional name “Trestolone”) is being examined as a new form of male contraception and androgen replacement therapy. The drug effectively supports male libido and suppresses spermatogenesis while simultaneously lacking a stimulatory effect on prostate volume (due to a reduced relative androgenic nature compared to testosterone). Given its similar structure, DMN shares many of the same qualities of MENT, although it’s indeed a unique steroid in its own right. One of its most striking traits, in fact, is its extreme level of activity compared to most other steroids.

Binding studies show that DMN has an affinity for the cellular androgen receptor approximately twice that of DHT the most potent natural androgen in humans. A simple way to look at this is given equal concentration in the blood, you will find twice as much DMN bound to androgen receptors, compared to DHT. More binding usually means more activity. Compared to its (similarly) synthetic cousin MENT, DMN has about a 20 percent greater binding affinity. This is already some solid data, as DHT and MENT are no slackers as far as steroids are concerned. DMN is starting to look like it will be a fairly potent steroid. But it would be entirely misleading if we ended our examination here, as binding affinity is only one small part of the puzzle. Other primary factors effecting steroid potency include drug bioavailability, active half- life and binding affinity for constructive binding proteins. It may bind the androgen receptor well, but how long does it stick around in the body to do its job. Depending on how the compound fairs, pharmacologically speaking, it may be considerable stronger or weaker that relative binding affinity (RBA) alone would suggest (Dianabol and Winstrol are good examples of this).
A more accurate assessment of drug potency is made in vivo, or during experiments where the drug is administered to live animals (usually rats are used for the pre-human trials). Detailed in-vivo studies into DMN were published in 2005 and demonstrated a drug that was exceedingly potent. “During the investigation, animals were injected with DMN subcutaneously for seven days, after which the animals were sacrificed and analysed for muscle gain and androgenic activity according to the long-standard lavator any (LA), seminal vesicles (SV) and ventral prostate (VP) growth assays. Other steroids were also used , including testosterone and MENT. This result were quite remarkable for DMN, which turned out to be by far the most potent steroid of the group. Compared with testosterone, dimethylnandrolone displayed approximately 136 times greater anabolic activity. Yes, that was not a typographical error. It had 136 times, not 136 percent, greater anabolic activity. Its androgenic activity was shown to be 14-37 times greater than that of testosterone, making this not only an exceedingly potent steroid, but also one with a high ratio of anabolic to androgenic effect. Compared to MENT, DMN was five times more anabolic with two to five times more androgenic activity based on SV and VP assays, respectively.

While MENT maintains some moderate level of estrogenic activity, this does not appear to be the case with DMN. Studies with other 11 beta modified steroids like fluoxymesterone have shown that substitutions to this point on the steroid backbone inhibit estrogen conversion, which strongly suggests that DMN is a non-aromatizable nandrolone derivative. Furthermore, studies looking at the relative binding of this agent to the estrogen receptor have shown extremely weak binding affinity. As such, no appreciable intrinsic estrogenic activity appears to be present with this steroid. It seems reasonable to consider it a non-estrogenic drug. Similar to nandrolone and MENT, however, DMN maintains some moderate level of progestational activity. Which could mimic/intensify estrogen action in the body. This, however, is likely not going to be problematic unless high doses are taken, or the drug is administered in higher doses alongside other strongly aromatizable agent (obviously not the target clinical use for such a drug). Overall, it would appear the DMN is not only a strongly anabolic and mildly androgenic agent, but it’s also one not highly prone to causing estrogenic- type side effect such as gynecomastia, increased water retention or fat gain. Anecdotical report seem to support this conclusion as well. DMN does have one good thing going for it as far as safety is concerned. Unlike most of the recent “designer steroids” being released, it’s not a e-17 alpha alkylated substance. Although human studies are lacking in this regard, it seems reasonable to conclude that this drug displays relatively low hepatotoxity (liver toxicity). That is usually the case with non-17-methylated steroids, although at times even some of these drugs have been shown to cause elevated liver stress if taken into high a dosage or for too long a duration. Trenbolone, nandrolone and methenolone (Primabolan) have all displayed such liver toxicity in clinical reports, albeit isolated ones. Let’s therefore, not confuse “low toxity” with absolutely harmless. In a high enough dosage, you can likely run into trouble. The sheer potency of this drug suggest that daily doses below 1mg are going to be most commonly applied by bodybuilders. Doses well in excess of this are likewise discouraged. 17-methyllated steroids also tend to negatively affect lipids more so that their non-methylated analogs. This is one of the biggest drawbacks when it comes to the health risks of these drugs they legitimately and strongly affect a powerful factor in cardiovascular health. Without e-17 alpha methylation, DMN should have a less dramatic impact on your lipid. It’s still a potent, non estrogenic drug, however, and as such will still cause negative changes to HDL and LDL levels in most users when taken in an athletically sufficient dose. Proper monitoring of serum lipids is highly recommended with use, as would be suggested with nearly all cycles. Still, it should be better that something like winstrol or Dianabol. Overall, DMN seems to be potent and comparably less toxic new addition to the world of the underground designer steroids. One must always remember that this is a very potent drug, however, and while likely fairly safe when used responsibly, can be risky (as any steroid can) it abused.

Dimethylnandrolone is currently available only as an underground steroid. No legitimate pharmaceutical company produces it, and it’s not approved for human use in any country. It’s being exclusively produced by a small number of clandestine labs that operate specifically to bring drugs to the black market for sale. The typical formulation of an underground DMN is that of an injectable solution containing 200mcg/mL (micrograms) of drug, although many variations are likely. Given that there’s no significant estrogenic component and relative androgenicity is reduced compared to the primary male androgen testosterone, one should expect that the drug would work like something along the lines of a strong Primabolan depot, with clean, solid gains, not bulk. It must be injected on a daily or every-other-day basis however, and as such would probably be more reminiscent of a stronger form of Primabolan Acetate.
The photo on the prior page is that of a blender product produced by HardCore labs, an underground lab based in Western Europe. This particular item, labelled MT-DMN, includes a hefty 3mg/mL dose of methyltrienolone , one of the most potent synthetic steroids known to man. While the addition of methyltrienolone present a strong added element of potentional hepatotoxicity, there’s little arguing with the results of such a powerful stack. Still more health-conscious individuals will likely stay far away from methyltrienolone and opt to find one of the handful of pure DMN product in circulation at this time.
Given the feedback on the product as of late, they are expected to greatly increase in popularity in the coming months (the fact that DMN is presently unknown to drug testing officials doesn’t hurt either). This steroid may indeed turn out to be a new, “serious player” among designer steroids.
 
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Methyltestosterone (oral)
Chemical Name:
4-Hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-hydroxyestra-4-ene-3-one
Estrogenic Activity: none Progestational Activity: moderate
Methylhydroxynandrolone, or MHN for short, is a potent derivative of the anabolic steroid nandrolone. It differs from this base steroid structurally in two ways. First, it has been c-17alpha alkylated (methylated), a modification that allows this steroid to be orally active. Next, an additional hydroxyl group has been added at its 4 position, similar to hydroxytestosterone. Together these two alterations have created a potent orally active and non-aromatizable anabolic steroid, with a profile somewhat similar to that of Winstrol or Anavar - a primarily anabolic agent with no discernable estrogenic activity. This anabolic was investigated back in the 1960's, and to spite its effective nature was never released as a prescription drug. Its properties make it of obvious interest as a designer steroid, and I would not be surprised if numerous athletes have used it for this purpose over the years. However, since we have not seen a MHN scandal in the media, this remains a matter for speculation.

Although this steroid is a nandrolone derivative, it acts quite differently from its chemical parent. For starters, while nandrolone is a relatively mild steroid, MHN is an exceedingly potent synthetic agent.
 
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good info here, anyone with firsthand experience?
 
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from what ive seen this board mostly a relatively younger crowd, most of those drugs have not been available for awhile...youd have to go back a decent amount of years to find some first hand expierence.. the raws have just become recently available again with mixed reviews... it seems like soon enough there should be a good amount of feed back as these are just recently returning to the market
 
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thats true i didnt really think about that, maybe ill post this up at an specific board
 
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if the mhn is the same as the m4ohn that used to be available legally, you're gonna need a lot more than 5 mg. People liked it a lot though
 
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m4ohn was before my time but i think it was a similar nandralone based but didnt it convert to some DHT?
 

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