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    The PH Ban is for real now


    http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...cs/8320893.htm

    The article doesn't list specifically which substances will fall under this ban, but it says "among" them is androstenedione. It was passed with NO objections.

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    Honestly, I don't think Mark Mcguire took androdione, its crap...Although my father takes DHEA and has a good build, he's also 51 though..

    I remember when that first came to the market, I was in like 10th grade I think. A couple friends I knew started to take it, but fortunately they stopped after they did more research about the possible sides. This one kid was even selling it. I remember him saying that he had a "dealers license" or something, so he was getting it for like 15 bucks a bottle then...stupid kids.
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    "Since steroids were banned under the Control Act of 1990, many new substances have been developed that have essentially the same effect on the body as anabolic steroids," said the bill's sponsor and committee chairman, Wisconsin Republican Jim Sensenbrenner.
    Why don't you go ahead and ban food as well? Manipulation of diet can have noticeable effects on test levels. Are they really niave as they make themselves out to be?
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    Yeah I would not be surprised to hear that Mcguire took real gear and used andro as a coverup.

    I was listening to NPR and heard a report that the MLB took did a steroid testing of the entire league. They notified the players that the testing was going to take place 6 months before it happened. Even after being notified of the test, 10% of the league tested positive for steroids. They of course, did not release the identities of those who tested positive, for that would be detrimental to the integrity of the MLB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ke0ki
    Yeah I would not be surprised to hear that Mcguire took real gear and used andro as a coverup.

    I was listening to NPR and heard a report that the MLB took did a steroid testing of the entire league. They notified the players that the testing was going to take place 6 months before it happened. Even after being notified of the test, 10% of the league tested positive for steroids. They of course, did not release the identities of those who tested positive, for that would be detrimental to the integrity of the MLB.
    Yeah, I heard that to bro..what pi$$es me off about that whole situation was that congress-aka-John Mccain told the league that if they don't do something about the situation, congress would step in and do it for them.

    I mean WTF?? MLB is NOT a part of the federal gov't....why should they have any say in the situation? It just continues to pi$$ me off that they think they can come in and start telling people what to do/how to regulate things when its really none of their business.
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    Fella's what we got on our hands is a bunch of ****ing cowboys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jergo
    Yeah, I heard that to bro..what pi$$es me off about that whole situation was that congress-aka-John Mccain told the league that if they don't do something about the situation, congress would step in and do it for them.

    I mean WTF?? MLB is NOT a part of the federal gov't....why should they have any say in the situation? It just continues to pi$$ me off that they think they can come in and start telling people what to do/how to regulate things when its really none of their business.

    Ya man that pisses me off.
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    whoa whoa whoa. so is this new news or is it along the same lines as what happened a week ago? is the ball really moving on this ban thing now?? or is it still just about andro....dione?
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    i assume it's referring to prohormones in general. like i said before i'm not sure exactly what substances fall under this ban, but it'd be a good idea to start stocking up asap.
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    This was taken from a thread at bb.com:

    Below is the list of banned substances included in the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 introduced in the House:

    As you can see, it covers much more than just androstenedione.
    Essentially every currently legal androgen is covered.

    And the last stanza of the bill which states:
    "any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph" pretty much covers any variants not specifically named.


    `(A) The term `anabolic steroid' means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes--

    `(i) androstanediol--

    `(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and

    `(II) 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;

    `(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);

    `(iii) androstenediol--

    `(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

    `(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

    `(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and

    `(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);

    `(iv) androstenedione--

    `(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);

    `(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and

    `(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);

    `(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);

    `(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(ix) dehydrochlormethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);

    `(x) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);

    `(xi) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);

    `(xii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);

    `(xiii) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xiv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

    `(xv) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);

    `(xvi) 18a-homo-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one (13b-ethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);

    `(xvii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);

    `(xviii) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xix) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);

    `(xx) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    `(xxi) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

    `(xxii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);

    `(xxiii) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

    `(xxiv) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxv) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxvi) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxvii) norandrostenediol--

    `(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

    `(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

    `(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and

    `(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);

    `(xxviii) norandrostenedione--

    `(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and

    `(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;

    `(xxix) norbolethone (18a-homo-17b-hydroxypregna-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxx) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxxi) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxxii) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    `(xxxiii) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxxiv) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    `(xxxv) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);

    `(xxxvi) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);

    `(xxxvii) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);

    `(xxxviii) 1-testosterone (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

    `(xxxix) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xl) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

    `(xli) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one); and

    `(xlii) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph.'; and

    (2) in paragraph (44), by inserting `anabolic steroids,' after `marihuana,'.


    Here is a link to the actual text of the bill introduced in the House.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query...p/~c108IhoBjH::

    Note, a different version of the bill has already been introduced in the Senate. If and when they both pass the floors of the respected houses of congress, they will go to final committee and any discrepancies between the two versions will be worked out and then sent to the President to be signed or vetoed.

    - EME
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    List of substances on the banned list

    androstanediol
    androstanedion
    androstenediol
    1-androstenediol
    4-androstenediol
    5-androstenediol
    1-androstenedione
    4-androstenedione
    5-androstenedione
    bolasterone
    boldenone
    calusterone
    clostebol
    dehydrochlormethyltestosterone
    4-dihydrotestosterone
    drostanolone
    ethylestrenol
    fluoxymesterone
    fomebolone
    furazabol
    hydroxyandrostano
    4-hdroxytestosterone
    4-hyrdoxy-19-nortestosterone
    mestanolone
    mesterolone
    methandienone
    methandriol
    methenolone
    methyltestosterone
    mibolerone
    nandrolone
    norandrostenediol
    norandrostenedione
    norbolethone
    norethandrolone
    oxandrolone
    oxymesterone
    oxymetholone
    stanozolol
    stenbolone
    testolcatone
    1-testosterone
    testosterone
    tetrahydrogestrinone
    "any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph"

    dont see m-dien .. but i dont know my substances to well

    link to bill
    http://www.casper207.com/files/HR3866.pdf
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    time to raid the piggy bank
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    This will definetly sux.
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    What the F___! They want us all to be criminals then I'll oblige them. Mexico's only 3 hours away so I can make that trip every 3-4 months or so. PH's are good but the real thing is still better. Oh... John Mcdickhead is from my state and he and the rest of them can just kiss my ass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jergo
    Yeah, I heard that to bro..what pi$$es me off about that whole situation was that congress-aka-John Mccain told the league that if they don't do something about the situation, congress would step in and do it for them.

    I mean WTF?? MLB is NOT a part of the federal gov't....why should they have any say in the situation? It just continues to pi$$ me off that they think they can come in and start telling people what to do/how to regulate things when its really none of their business.
    The same thing happened to the PGA a few years back. Of course it wasn't steroid related though. All I know is if I was the president of a sports league and the gov't threatened to step in they would get my foot up their ass.
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    Time to stock up and stash it.........fuk it, if it's all just as illegal.....I'm going to the dark side.....who's with me?
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    i don't see 17alpha-methyl-17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one on there
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    Quote Originally Posted by NPursuit
    The same thing happened to the PGA a few years back. Of course it wasn't steroid related though.
    LOL, I dunno man, Tiger looks pretty ripped bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCORPIO
    Time to stock up and stash it.........fuk it, if it's all just as illegal.....I'm going to the dark side.....who's with me?

    i hear ya bro...i've got a lil more room to grow before i start anything so i might as well get more bang for my buck!!!
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    I hope sledge offers his new stuff in powder form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azgymrat
    What the F___! They want us all to be criminals then I'll oblige them. Mexico's only 3 hours away so I can make that trip every 3-4 months or so. PH's are good but the real thing is still better. Oh... John Mcdickhead is from my state and he and the rest of them can just kiss my ass!
    They are going to make the Mexico route more dangerous too. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1001072/posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCORPIO
    Time to stock up and stash it.........fuk it, if it's all just as illegal.....I'm going to the dark side.....who's with me?
    I'm with you
    I'm a criminal now
    A F_cking Criminal
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    Man, what a bunch of ****ing TOOLS!! When will the government get a clue?
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    ****ing sad that bodybuilders had to become the sacrificial lamb of politicians, I'll never vote democrat or republican, they don't seem to represent my voice.

    I guess I better learn how to convert Fina & Syno.
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    As near as I can tell, it was approved by the House Judiciary Committee and is being sent to the House floor. It is not yet a law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedtickle
    They are going to make the Mexico route more dangerous too. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1001072/posts
    Down here I think the safest way is to just walk across, spend a few hour and shop, and walk back. I almost got strip searched for too many pairs of sunglasses but never "stuff" (Raybans - $8.00 a pair). I don't realy fit the profile they look for - college and high school football players.
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    Can't make direct quote, but the new bill authorizes gov't to update law, if passed, at any time for any new product that is introduced. M-Dien, etc... They are just hoes, being screwed by pharmaceutical companies. If eli-lilly starts making M-Dien, it will be all good as long as an MD prescribes it. I can type for hours about how pissed I am about our gov't, however it doesn't mean a damn thing. John McCain doesn't work out, he doesn't care, but he loves his name in the limelight, and he'll be proud to be one of the ringleaders to bring down big-bad-ANDRO. He brag on that all the way through his future presidential campaign. He'll be damned to get my vote!
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    We need to get Bush the **** out of office...
    I can't stand that ****. Everyone needs to vote democrat; even though I don't care much for Kerry either, but I won't stand for Bush anymore. If Bush gets elected, I'm moving to Canada...
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    Democrator Republican..it matters very little.

    The most aggregious of the proposed bills is backed by Sen Joe Biden..a democrat. He has strong and vocal support from John McCain a Rep. Bush is a big enough tool to make steroids an issue during his Stateof the Union Address..during wartime no less.

    The baseball situation is what REALLy gets me angry. That industry makes BILLIONS of dollars a year yet they can't or won't get their **** together so the government is going to waste OUR tax dollars ensuring that no steroids get into the hands of proffessional sports players. One of the bills makes it a felony to be within a mile of a "sports facility" with steroidal compounds..extra prison time.
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    We need to get Bush the **** out of office...
    I can't stand that ****. Everyone needs to vote democrat; even though I don't care much for Kerry either, but I won't stand for Bush anymore. If Bush gets elected, I'm moving to Canada...


    Canada? are you on drugs
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    Quote Originally Posted by canadian champ
    We need to get Bush the **** out of office...
    I can't stand that ****. Everyone needs to vote democrat; even though I don't care much for Kerry either, but I won't stand for Bush anymore. If Bush gets elected, I'm moving to Canada...


    Canada? are you on drugs
    No Mr. smartass, care to elaborate??
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    hmm.. move to canada because ph are being banned in the US. They are already banned here. Looks like you are the smart one.
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    I wouldn't complain about bush... try living in a country where the prime minister was never even elected.
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    It's not a democrat or republican issue. Most of the country has a negative opinion about steroids. Therefore it's a great issue for a D or R to get their names in the paper. It doesn't matter it's Bush or Kerry. It's a bipartisan bill.
    That being said it's not two late to stop it. The supplement industry dropped the ball. Someone told me that they all got together and had been lobbying the government and recently let that go which is a big mistake. My guess is that there were many of them tiring to slit each others throats behind the scenes while this was going on. You get bet that certain supplement companies who have decided to stop making prohormones are going to want to get ride of any competition who are still selling them. Derek C. the owner of syntax said that another supplement company squealed to the FDA when they were selling triax. Do you think the same thing won't happen again? I am sure they will be educating the FDA on why methylated products are steroids, how they cause liver damage, and many other problems.
    The supplement companies own arrogance and stupidity isn't helping either. When you tell newspapers that the old andro that the FDA banned is the junked car sitting in your yard and the new products are like supped up corvettes, that isn't helping either. When they changed the name from prohormones to prosteriods was the beginning of the end. All of the media, politicians, and most of the public think that steroids are bad. What the companies essentially did when they changed the name was pick up negative attention at best or at worse put a target on their backs.
    The ball is in the hands of the consumers now. What we need to do is bomb the politicians with e mails, letters and phone calls. Make intelligent points such as bring up the economic issues. Point out the small wholesale retail supplement companies will be put out of business. Start up companies who have spent large amounts of money on research will have flushed their time and money down the toilet. Make sure to tell them that if they pass the bill they don't have your vote. If the sleazy bastards think that there is enough people to kick them out of office they will vote against it.
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    I caught a thing on the PH/Supplement Ban on CBS this morning and it mentioned a few things along with ephedra being banned and synpherine (bitter orange) going to be banned. It also mentioned yohimbe at the end. That's news to me.. Anyone hear about yohimbe wanting to be banned? That would suck ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jergo
    We need to get Bush the **** out of office...
    I can't stand that ****. Everyone needs to vote democrat; even though I don't care much for Kerry either, but I won't stand for Bush anymore. If Bush gets elected, I'm moving to Canada...
    I agree and I am with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by canadian champ
    hmm.. move to canada because ph are being banned in the US. They are already banned here. Looks like you are the smart one.
    Bro, take your smartass remarks elsewhere. I never stated my reasons why, and I was being half sarcastic. This reply was almost worth typing.

    Get lost...

    NoMercy, I'll make the reservations with the airlines.
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