The PH Ban is for real now
- 03-31-2004, 02:11 PM
The PH Ban is for real now
The article doesn't list specifically which substances will fall under this ban, but it says "among" them is androstenedione. It was passed with NO objections.
- 03-31-2004, 02:26 PM
Honestly, I don't think Mark Mcguire took androdione, its crap...Although my father takes DHEA and has a good build, he's also 51 though..
I remember when that first came to the market, I was in like 10th grade I think. A couple friends I knew started to take it, but fortunately they stopped after they did more research about the possible sides. This one kid was even selling it. I remember him saying that he had a "dealers license" or something, so he was getting it for like 15 bucks a bottle then...stupid kids.
03-31-2004, 02:32 PM
Why don't you go ahead and ban food as well? Manipulation of diet can have noticeable effects on test levels. Are they really niave as they make themselves out to be?"Since steroids were banned under the Control Act of 1990, many new substances have been developed that have essentially the same effect on the body as anabolic steroids," said the bill's sponsor and committee chairman, Wisconsin Republican Jim Sensenbrenner.
03-31-2004, 02:35 PM
Yeah I would not be surprised to hear that Mcguire took real gear and used andro as a coverup.
I was listening to NPR and heard a report that the MLB took did a steroid testing of the entire league. They notified the players that the testing was going to take place 6 months before it happened. Even after being notified of the test, 10% of the league tested positive for steroids. They of course, did not release the identities of those who tested positive, for that would be detrimental to the integrity of the MLB.
03-31-2004, 02:42 PM
Yeah, I heard that to bro..what pi$$es me off about that whole situation was that congress-aka-John Mccain told the league that if they don't do something about the situation, congress would step in and do it for them.Originally Posted by ke0ki
I mean WTF?? MLB is NOT a part of the federal gov't....why should they have any say in the situation? It just continues to pi$$ me off that they think they can come in and start telling people what to do/how to regulate things when its really none of their business.
03-31-2004, 03:02 PM
03-31-2004, 03:04 PM
03-31-2004, 03:21 PM
whoa whoa whoa. so is this new news or is it along the same lines as what happened a week ago? is the ball really moving on this ban thing now?? or is it still just about andro....dione?
03-31-2004, 03:24 PM
03-31-2004, 03:49 PM
i assume it's referring to prohormones in general. like i said before i'm not sure exactly what substances fall under this ban, but it'd be a good idea to start stocking up asap.
03-31-2004, 04:13 PM
This was taken from a thread at bb.com:
Below is the list of banned substances included in the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 introduced in the House:
As you can see, it covers much more than just androstenedione.
Essentially every currently legal androgen is covered.
And the last stanza of the bill which states:
"any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph" pretty much covers any variants not specifically named.
`(A) The term `anabolic steroid' means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes--
`(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and
`(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);
`(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);
`(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);
`(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and
`(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);
`(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);
`(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and
`(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);
`(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
`(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);
`(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
`(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
`(ix) dehydrochlormethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);
`(x) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);
`(xi) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);
`(xii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);
`(xiii) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
`(xiv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);
`(xv) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);
`(xvi) 18a-homo-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one (13b-ethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);
`(xvii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);
`(xviii) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);
`(xix) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);
`(xx) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
`(xxi) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);
`(xxii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);
`(xxiii) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);
`(xxiv) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
`(xxv) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
`(xxvi) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
`(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
`(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
`(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and
`(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);
`(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and
`(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;
`(xxix) norbolethone (18a-homo-17b-hydroxypregna-4-en-3-one);
`(xxx) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
`(xxxi) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
`(xxxii) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
`(xxxiii) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
`(xxxiv) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
`(xxxv) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);
`(xxxvi) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);
`(xxxvii) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);
`(xxxviii) 1-testosterone (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);
`(xxxix) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
`(xl) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);
`(xli) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one); and
`(xlii) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph.'; and
(2) in paragraph (44), by inserting `anabolic steroids,' after `marihuana,'.
Here is a link to the actual text of the bill introduced in the House.
Note, a different version of the bill has already been introduced in the Senate. If and when they both pass the floors of the respected houses of congress, they will go to final committee and any discrepancies between the two versions will be worked out and then sent to the President to be signed or vetoed.
03-31-2004, 04:13 PM
List of substances on the banned list
"any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph"
dont see m-dien .. but i dont know my substances to well
link to bill
03-31-2004, 04:18 PM
03-31-2004, 04:35 PM
03-31-2004, 05:29 PM
What the F___! They want us all to be criminals then I'll oblige them. Mexico's only 3 hours away so I can make that trip every 3-4 months or so. PH's are good but the real thing is still better. Oh... John Mcdickhead is from my state and he and the rest of them can just kiss my ass!
03-31-2004, 05:58 PM
The same thing happened to the PGA a few years back. Of course it wasn't steroid related though. All I know is if I was the president of a sports league and the gov't threatened to step in they would get my foot up their ass.Originally Posted by Jergo
03-31-2004, 05:59 PM
Time to stock up and stash it.........fuk it, if it's all just as illegal.....I'm going to the dark side.....who's with me?
03-31-2004, 06:02 PM
03-31-2004, 06:04 PM
03-31-2004, 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by SCORPIO
i hear ya bro...i've got a lil more room to grow before i start anything so i might as well get more bang for my buck!!!
03-31-2004, 10:14 PM
03-31-2004, 11:40 PM
04-01-2004, 12:26 AM
04-01-2004, 03:34 AM
04-01-2004, 11:54 AM
****ing sad that bodybuilders had to become the sacrificial lamb of politicians, I'll never vote democrat or republican, they don't seem to represent my voice.
I guess I better learn how to convert Fina & Syno.
04-01-2004, 12:11 PM
04-01-2004, 12:27 PM
As near as I can tell, it was approved by the House Judiciary Committee and is being sent to the House floor. It is not yet a law.
04-01-2004, 06:40 PM
Down here I think the safest way is to just walk across, spend a few hour and shop, and walk back. I almost got strip searched for too many pairs of sunglasses but never "stuff" (Raybans - $8.00 a pair). I don't realy fit the profile they look for - college and high school football players.Originally Posted by tedtickle
04-01-2004, 11:06 PM
Can't make direct quote, but the new bill authorizes gov't to update law, if passed, at any time for any new product that is introduced. M-Dien, etc... They are just hoes, being screwed by pharmaceutical companies. If eli-lilly starts making M-Dien, it will be all good as long as an MD prescribes it. I can type for hours about how pissed I am about our gov't, however it doesn't mean a damn thing. John McCain doesn't work out, he doesn't care, but he loves his name in the limelight, and he'll be proud to be one of the ringleaders to bring down big-bad-ANDRO. He brag on that all the way through his future presidential campaign. He'll be damned to get my vote!
04-01-2004, 11:21 PM
We need to get Bush the **** out of office...
I can't stand that ****. Everyone needs to vote democrat; even though I don't care much for Kerry either, but I won't stand for Bush anymore. If Bush gets elected, I'm moving to Canada...
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