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njm7752

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Hi everyone. I would like to start off by saying that I have been reading these forums for years, and have a firm grasp on how to use these supplements. I am writing this thread because I am very worried about my health and I simply do not know what to do from here.

Previous experience before cycle
h-drol (multiple times)
AX pheraplex
AX superdrol (multiple times)

In the beginning of June I started taking Deca. As you can see from my previous experience this was the first injectable that I have ever tried. I used 1cc a week for 10 weeks, what I considered to be a fairly conservative dose since this was my first time. Two weeks after my last shot I started my PCT. My PCT consisted of clomid (100, 75, 50, 25), Novedex XT, Tribulus (1000mg), fenugreek (1000mg).

While I was on I had no bad side effects. I felt exactly the way you should. I had LOTS of energy, I was gaining about 3lbs a week, and sex drive was in check. I wasn't worried at all when I went into my PCT. However coming out of PCT I started to notice a lack of sex drive. Soon, I realized I couldn't get hard, I was loosing ALL sex drive. I decided to let nature run its course and see if my hormones would work themselves out. They didn't. It is not late December and I am still shutdown. I can sometimes get hard, but I am producing almost no semen. I started taking sustain alpha and animal m-stak, just because I don't know what to do at this point.

I went to a doctor a while back and told him what happened. He told me that I should get off everything and let things work themselves out. He did not seem to know anything about what I was taking or what I was going through. I am going back to the doctor, but I just don't know if I can trust him, should I ask for a different doctor? Are there some sort of specialists that are better suited to help me?

Basically, I am at the point where I am really worried. I mean I started this stuff in June and now is almost January. I need the advice of someone with experience. Please don't flame me because that is not going to help me get the answers I need to fix this problem. I really am just asking for help because I have no where else to turn.
 
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Find a doctor in your area with a specialty in endocrinology. Usually they will advertise themselves more as "anti-aging" doctors. They will be a bit more open minded and actually complete a hormonal panel too see what is wrong.
 
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have ur doc recommend and endocrinologist (sp?)....it will take time and bloodwork to figure out whats wrong.

my suggestion is to get a hold of some HCG and clomid
 
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sounds like you got bunk clomid plain and simple... Search for "legit research chem companies" and get back on a SERM for a few weeks

or u could ride it out with OTC stuff and you should normalize eventually but id get the SERM
 
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I agree with MW, if you were fine before your cycle, you may have gotten a bunk SERM.. Get another SERM and run for 4-6 weeks. Then, if you are still shutdown, go see a Dr. that specializes in endocrinology. I still believe you can normalize yourself again by re-doing your PCT...
 

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I believe Movin weight to be correct. I still find it strange that Deca supressed your natural test like that, I didn't think it binds that tightly to the receptor, especially in 10 weeks at a low dose.

Also, your sexual disfunction could be in your mind my friend. The worry of not performing each time makes it worse and worse, however, the sparce seaman aspect is rather odd.

Good luck.
 
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X3 for MW. But to be sure, did you lose your gains? That's a way to tell if your natural test hasn't kicked back in.
 
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Ya, the clomid could have been bunk. Should have hit HCG as well, but that's the past.

What would I do?
I would start taking Viagra or some type of wood to see if its even "possible" to get it up at will. If 100mg of pure Viagra won't help you then it's a major problem, not just ED and I would see a doctor immediately.

I've never really heard a case as bad as yours. Sorry man.

Hey guys,
Is it too late for him to start HCG. I mean I know the obvious answer is yes, but do you think a high dosage would "kick start" it to work. Like a dead car battery...
 

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Ya, the clomid could have been bunk. Should have hit HCG as well, but that's the past.

What would I do?
I would start taking Viagra or some type of wood to see if its even "possible" to get it up at will. If 100mg of pure Viagra won't help you then it's a major problem, not just ED and I would see a doctor immediately.

I've never really heard a case as bad as yours. Sorry man.

Hey guys,
Is it too late for him to start HCG. I mean I know the obvious answer is yes, but do you think a high dosage would "kick start" it to work. Like a dead car battery...
At this point Clomid (assuming his original was bunk) would be the best way to restart the whole system but if the leydig cells aren't responding to natural LH and FSH levels then yes HCG at higher dosages could help by stimulating test and sperm production. If run correctly the testes would be more capable of producing proper T and sperm amounts. If HCG is run at too high of a dosage or for too long it will desensitize them to natural levels of LH and FSH.
 

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did you run the deca without test? you need another pct
 
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young is right- get back into another PCT yours was more than likely bunk..
BTW I understand it wasn't your first cycle but you should have known better than running Deca without a Test base..
What your experiencing isn't uncommon at all for those who run Deca solo.. thus the term "deca d!ck" .. not a nice term but none the less it's common- try another PCT and as stated I'd get my hands on some viagra just to see if you can infact have erections..
If not then it might be beyond a hormonal problem.. But i sincerely doubt this is the case.
 

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I appreciate all the helps guys....I have heard about getting bunk PCT so I guess from here out I should hope that is what happened to me. I guess the next problem that lies ahead is should I go to another vendor for the clomid? I have had no such luck at finding another one so if someone could PM me with any ideas that would be great.

I have tried to Viagra route and did see results there so from what you are all saying it looks like I truly am shut down. Is everyone agreeing that I should try clomid again or should I give Nolvadex a run?
 
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I have tried to Viagra route and did see results there so from what you are all saying it looks like I truly am shut down. Is everyone agreeing that I should try clomid again or should I give Nolvadex a run?
clomid is what u want in this situation. find a new source, but we're not allowed to help u
 
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Nolva's better at inhibiting gyno estrogen receptors around mamarry glands however it's obviously a SERM an can reduce estrogen (indirectly increasing testosterone)
However Clomid is better at getting your testes to produce more testosterone and is better for those looking to get over a shutdown..
Toremifine (sp?) is also a good option for getting your "boys back" so I'd probably go without nolva and look for torem or clomid..
Also some test boosters could always help- bioforge and testopro are getting GREAT reviews (These to be used along with the clomid/torem to help increase testosterone production)
 

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